Grouse

You must have been asleep for the last 4 years.

Lefty, I don't need to prove anything to you sir. I state something you don't believe, you prove me wrong. Otherwise it's he said, she said. I think you are triggered because you know you cannot prove what I said is not true. But I'm pretty sure empirical evidence and objective observation would have a jury side with me. BTW, the original gun law you cited was in response to Al Capone not complying with the government's prohibition law. Yes he used machine guns, but it was a war over alcohol. The govt created the black market for booze and the high crime rate due to the vast profits to be made. Perhaps gun control was a by product of prohibition. Today we have the same prohibition of drugs with all the same crime issues. So one could make a case the govt is creating the crime it claims to be trying to control. As far as D'Souza goes, you're repeating a lot of leftist talking points that are not credible, because it's hyperbole that generalizes the situation. And it's from YouTube, not Google.

If the system was set up where you get checked once, which may take some time, and are issued a Firearms ID card proving you are OK to buy guns, what would be the point of a waiting period after that?

It would be a lot simpler to leave registration completely out of the law and legislate anyone not approved to possess firearms can be prosecuted. I do not support registration of any firearms. The only reason handguns currently have to be registered is because at one time the government was hot to confiscate them. It still is hot to confiscate them, but the plan is on the back burner for now. I say edit the above like this: All firearms possessed by anyone without a firearms I.D. are illegally possessed. Anyone convicted of being illegally in possession of a handgun - 5 years. Anyone convicted of being illegally in possession of a handgun that was used in a shooting - 10 years. Anyone convicted of being illegally in possession of a handgun that was used in a murder - 20 years. Transfers need no paper trail if only people approved to possess firearms, can legally buy and sell them. If by chance the person currently in possession of a handgun is not responsible for shooting or murdering someone with it, the only way to save their own skin would be to rat on the one who did.

More proof for lefty on why guns get banned.

That was not my question, now was it? Is everything grey to you? Never said she might not consider other issues. I asked if she is aware they want to ban guns. I don't vote for republicans that want to ban guns. Generally, Democrats are leftists, and that's why they hate guns.

She may not want to take anyone's guns away, but she is voting for people who do. Does she understand that?

A right delayed, is a right denied! What is this notion of a "cooling off period"? That is an automatic assumption that all firearms are purchased in anger with malicious intent. That is absolutely absurd. If you assume someone is prone to anger and needs to cool off, you are assuming that individual has an unstable personality. If gun owners agree to "cooling off" periods, they are promoting the idea they have unstable personalities. Waiting periods convince the public gun owners are unstable. As far as safety courses go, simply limit the number of courses offered and you limit gun purchases. Plus, you can charge prohibitive fees for these courses, to deter as many people as possible from going to them. The idea of a "more thorough background check" implies the first one was "half assed". What's the point of doing any background check if it isn't thorough? If this means adding more restrictive requirements like a mental exam, evaluation of social media thoughts or an IQ test, that is simply unconstitutional because it is subjective. The only gun control laws that are constitutional are laws that penalize people who have used guns to harm others. Any law assuming I may use a gun to harm others, with no evidence that may happen, presumes guilt and is a "preventative law", meaning my rights are restricted because others have abused theirs. That is blatantly unconstitutional. But as I have been advised prior, the general mood of the public may allow such unconstitutional oppression if the public thinks it makes them safer, individual rights be damned. That's the fiddle the government is playing on to get the public to do just that.

How does this make America safer? It doesn't, and that is obvious. It actually makes America less safe. And I'm convinced that is exactly the goal the left is striving for.

I'm all for a background check ONCE! I will agree to allow authorities to look at my record ONCE! Once I have proven to be a responsible, law abiding citizen, that presents absolutely no danger to anyone, I get a firearms I.D. card that proves to an FFL I'm clean and allows me to buy ANY legal firearm immediately, no secondary NICS checks and no waiting. If I ever violate any law that would require me to turn in my firearms I.D. card and my guns, I would have to do so, and a Judge would be required to take my firearm's I.D. from me when due process proved it in court. No more NICS checks, check fees or waiting with every transaction. That type of redundancy is bureaucratic nonsense and just designed to make money for the state. If someone is checked thoroughly and completely and proves they have never been violent in any way and not a felon, they should not be subjected to govt scrutiny again unless there is probable cause to do so. What guns would be considered legal for me to own, is an entirely different matter and a subject all to itself.

Prove me wrong. All gun control laws since 1968 have been to control the people. The first were racist, aimed at keeping guns out of black hands during the 60's uprising and civil rights movement. Most since have been to limit the firepower of the citizenry when it gets angry with the government. The fact none of these laws ever curtails any crime is proof enough for any intelligent person. And the govt is not having a knee jerk reaction to crime. It is "never letting a good crises go to waste."