burmjohn

This guy looks like he is going to be a monster... Looks like a nice big body on him, he friend looks like a decent size too. What ya think?

I Hunt in 3J and 3H, working awesome here.. Bigger deer, more meat, and more fun. Same goes for every single person I spoke to in person in these area's as well...

Interesting... The last few bucks taken off our property weighed in at 180 and 190 respectively... As I said before, the local butcher needed to buy bigger boxes. All thanks to AR, and letting the little guys walk.

It is very laughable to a person that understands nothing about it... yes... first, it is not a theory... a theory is a thought of what might happen or could happen, but has not yet been proven... AR's and herd health is not a theory, the concept of deer management has been proven time and time again in State after State... and it's benefit to herd health can be seen in any of the management studies that have taken place in NY over the last couple decades... the reason AR's is being rehashed is maybe because there are still those of you that don't get it... what needs to be admitted here is that you simply do not like AR's and refuse to learn anything about deer management that might make you understand better... having said that.. I don't think that herd health is the real concern in NY for AR's... but more for age structure in the buck population Excellent points Antler.

Yup... Good points... Basically though this is going to a 1 buck per person rule, which is fine by me. I do bow hunt and last year was my first muzzle, so you can still take a doe with that tag (at least during bow, or is that not the case with this proposal?)... I have to read more tonight when I have time

And your wrong again, congrats. Keep spreading your AR misperceptions , it only shows your misunderstanding and ignorance on deer management.

What about GOA? Gun owners of America?

Just curious, how many people are NRA members here?

That was an interesting read... I'll have to do some more research.

Congrats!

I plan on tearing down an old shed, and prepping / leveling the ground for a new one.

link?

Thanks I'm really happy... I find myself hitting the garage door opener when I'm in there just to watch it go up LOL.

nice!

I take it you have not read one single article on AR's then. Again, its not about growing the herd, its about balanced healthy herd with a solid age structure, there is a difference.

Flawed and biased to you perhaps... Yes, to me and many other hunters also. And on the other side of the coin, the majority side according to every survey done that I've seen, support is there for AR. john and yet no body ever sees these polls actually take place. we just read about it. so where are these surveys even coming from? thats what i would like to know... The DEC contracted Cornell University to do the latest one. I think they might have done the one before as well, but I'd have to check.

I love all the generalizing you do, its classic. Allowing that 1.5 to walk will help allow for a natural sex / age structure for the herd and has numerous benefits. Bigger, meatier (body mass), healthier bucks and help move to a move natural buck to doe ratio. Helps reduce the trickle rut, which causes late born fawns. Just because yearling bucks are capable in breeding doesnt mean they should be the sole ones doing it. If you read about deer biology, in a balanced herd the 1.5's only knock up about 1/3 of the does.

First, not every area needs or would benefit from AR's. Clearly there are area's in the state, perhaps less hunted or have different food sources or whatever the case may be where AR's are not needed. I don't know anyone who is talking about trophies and other things as your biased and flawed view states. Every AR supporter that I am in contact with both family, friends and hunting acquaintances don't have this distorted view they you depict above which I find quite laughable at best. For me and the rest of those who I know are in it for a better and healthier herd and to at least have the opportunity to harvest a more mature buck. And from what we have seen in our area, its doing exactly just that. The 1.5's are living through for the most part, there now are larger deer to have an opportunity to hunt. AR's are not the ideal solution, however its what we have that can for the most part be enforced on a large scale.

Flawed and biased to you perhaps... Yes, to me and many other hunters also. And on the other side of the coin, the majority side according to every survey done that I've seen, support is there for AR.

Flawed and biased to you perhaps...

1.5 Harvest is down, 2.5 and 3.5 is up slightly.

I'm not sure about the local problem, though there were a few cases where people found deer with their heads cut off and carcases left behind right around the block from where I am. None the less, you will always have a few bad apples local or not.

You can keep thinking that if you want. Your choice. All the DEC cares about is keeping the deer population in check from year to year and collecting license fees from hunters. Any other interest they might pretend to show is there to make people like you guys believe that they are really interested about any individual deer or hunter in particular. To them a dead deer is a dead deer and that's all they care about. The 1 1/2 year olds will breed just as well with the does as the 3 1/2 year olds, so they surely need not worry about deer populations not replenishing themselves. I'm sorry you feel that way, but its not the case.

I'm for it, and I do not believe its "propaganda". Lack hunting skills? Nice... I've seen huge improvements in the buck size and action in my area, 3H. I'm far from a horn hunter, but its great seeing some larger racks running around, where a few years ago that really was not the case. I have not taken a buck in many years, mostly by choice. Last year after taking a doe we were at the local butcher, ED Grund in Cochecton. Ed said not only are the antlered deer being harvested have larger racks, but he deer themselves have been quite larger. To the point where the boxes he'd normally use to pack up the customers meat are now a few sizes larger.

My letter has already been sent in support. The DEC job is not to JUST control the population. Where do you hunt? In any of these proposed area's? My guess is no. I'd have to agree... The DEC does more then just control the population, they are concerned with the age of the deer, the age of the deer taken, and the health of the herd.