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Yea ya need to let people's ISP's be posted so we know who the multiple personalities are. That would stop half the trolls from coming back acting like they are new to the discussion.

Nothing like another half hearted thread again not much info. Cushings letter is nothing new,should post the letter. I've posted several letters and articles on Moose River here and on my blog. Sportsmen fell asleep at the wheel on this one. :-[ They let the ADK close up half the roads, shut down camps that had been in place for 100 years. Hunting,camping,fishing,logging & trapping have been severely restricted by the greenies. Much land that was trusted to the state for sportsmen. Outside the forums clamoring for justice and the locals in the ADK you'll not hear much talk about it.

http://bobmcnittorg.blogspot.com/2011/01/scope-presidents-speech-wows-albany.html

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=75483039055

http://www.scopeny.org/ARCHIVES/show.mp3

Pre ban legal~ post ban illegal

Come on SCOTT~ give me a break will ya? I do and I protest the gun clubs taxes. But we don't get hundreds of frantic emails telling us about the increases and to call now! LOL Look at the latest rifle bill email that is circulating. It's the same old bill just different number. The U.S. Sportsmen's[/size] Alliance has never done anything in NY but send out alerts, usually late , er ah~ after we already know about them. Many of the people who get them can't even tell you how a bill is created let alone in NY it lives on forever. The Sportsmen alliance was started from an anti trapping bill in Ohio. In the 80's & 90's when trapping was a dirty work every group that use to support trapping left the trappers out in the cold. Then in the 2000's when they figured there was money to be had they returned to supporting trapping. Now you'll have to be patient with me I have to spent time looking at Charlton Heston's basement email. :-[ Okay I'm back~Yes I hit the deleted button again! If you really want to tell these guys on Huntignny.com something, tell them why we have a AW ban in NY to begin with. And ya can't use Sheldon Silver as an excuse~ Tell them who caved in on firearms owners. ================================= If you want to see what is in store for you read this fear mongering document from NYS. I think this is the book Bill spoke about.[/size][/size]http://www.courts.state.ny.us/whatsnew/pdf/PublicHealthLegalManual.pdf[/size][/size][/size]Don't ya feel better now?[/size][/size][/size]the show on podcast[/size][/size]http://archives.warpradio.com/wysl/files/BillNojay/20110215.mp3[/size][/size][/size]Bill Nojay's show & the NY public health legal guide[/size][/size][/size]

1. Problem with you definition is. No place in the constitution do we have a right to hunt. 2. It's your definition 3. Arguing the AW definition means you agree with restrictions, regulations and infringements. 4. Every state has a little different definition. 5. The AW definition was created by anti gun people and law makers. Then it's used by pro gun types as a definition because most are to stupid to simply state the definition is wrong. They are willing to compromise another deal to give up our rights.

Does that include all those QDM plots of deer standing is properly manicured food plots as well?

Nothing new in this report that was not reported on ten years ago. It's our government that armed dozens of south American countries from Mexico to the tip of SA. We're not the only country that supplies arms to the puppet ?Dictators of the decade.

??? : Actually yes there has been many times over this countries history the military was marched on thousands of Americans and Veterans too! At the order of the President. The military , killed,,shot, sabered,burned, starved, poisoned, injected with poisons,injected with viruses, gave small pox infected blankets the list is endless. Yes states have laws to take your hunting rifles they've just not asked for them yet. Well except for , CA, New Orleans, MA, NY, Wash DC. Need more? Go do a little history reading then. zero tolerance = intolerance, odd how were fighting all those countries that are[/size][/size]Islamic based. Ya know on the belief of intolerance to infidels.[/size][/size]Could we say if you don't support the 2nd amendment & you support zero tolerance [/size]you're a terrorist?

SCOPE members have a great working relationship with the county clerk. Plus the clerk probably didn't want a good working system screwed up. And a few dozen phone calls helped. Remember, you already go through a NICS check there is no need for a Judge to look again. So they can CYA www.scopeny.org

Hum seems to be a bit of confusion. : CFAB_Response_to_NYSCC.pdf

Minutes of February 4, 2011 Meeting called to order by President Gary Chave. Present: Glen Adams (Genesee Co), Robert Mcllwaine (Livingston Co.), Gary Chave (Seneca Co.), Dennis Race (Yates Co.), Frank J Shutter (Ontario Co.), Mike Elam (Orleans Co.). Mike Wasilco NYSDEC. Ontario County is working to become more active and trying to get more sportsmen’s clubs involved in federation. Dues Paid by the following: 1 Ontario Co., 2 Steuben Co., 3 Monroe Co., 4. Livingston Co., 5 Wayne Co., 6 Orleans Co. Total collected $210.00. Motion to approve the November minutes as distributed, made by Dennis Race, second by Frank Shutter. Motion carried. Correspondences: NYSCC Grass Roots News. Treasures Report by Robert Mcllwaine Bob brought up the fact that in order to set up a new checking account the FLCC needs a Tax number. If we were to form an LLC it would be costly. Gary believes that John Andrew had the account set up in his name. Bob is concerned that if something occurred the group would not be able to get to its funds. Dennis volunteered to open an account for the FLCC. Bob Mcllwaine resigned to facilitate the opening of a checking account. All thanked Bob for volunteering and his efforts. Dennis Race is appointed Treasurer by President Gary Chave. Motion made by Mike Elam and second by Frank Shutter to confirm Dennis Race as Treasurer. Motion carried. Bob will check with Livingston County Federation about a possible Bus to Albany latter this spring. NYSCC Legislative meeting is in Albany on Saturday March 12th. Group had a discussion about Monroe County and possible setting up something to concentrate on Monroe county Assemblymen and Senators. We want to work with MCCC to set up meetings locally with these legislators, and using MCCC people to meet with their reps with us tagging along. This will need more discussion and planning. Gary Chave and Glen Adams will try to get in touch with reps of the MCCC to start the planning. Yates County has an active 4h group shooting group and the Yates County Federation is supporting it. National Shooting Sports Foundation will also be helping with funding. Question came up about the firearms that the ENCON officers confiscate. What happens to them are the available for purchase? Some believe they may be auctioned off. Currently also has National Archery in schools. DEC Report by Mike Walisco: 10 year pheasant Plan. Pheasant Focus area is in south western area of Wildlife management area 8H. This is a last attempt to manage for wild Pheasants. Current research states that if 10% of lane is secured for habitat it is possible to have a wild population of Pheasants. The loss of habitat, open land, agricultural practices, and predators has taken a toll on the wild pheasant population. When the Pheasants were in their prime 80% of our land was open and tilled. Today 80% of our lands are not forested. DEC has identified two items; first is to Identify Existing conservation program lands within the focus area, such as CRP. Second is to technician to work on the project. This Item is in the works. The Focus area consists of 148,000 acres mostly in Livingston County, but also in the Southwestern edge of Genesee County. The State DEC is collaborating and getting funds for this research from the National Fish and Wildlife Service.. This will be paying for a biologist. The DEC is also trying to find enough land owners to participate in this project and Identifying wild bird population. If you see a tagged bear DEC wants to know as soon as possible. And if you know where a den exists outside of Steuben County they would like to know about its location. New York Bear harvest was 60% less than last year. Bears were going into their dens before Bear Season ended this season. If you have information, call the Region wildlife office at 585-2226-5380. Deer damage tags only amount to between 2 and 5% of the total season harvest. The Deer damage report rate is 93% averaging 3 deer per farm requesting the Deer damage permit, whereas hunter reporting is at 40%. Deer harvest this season was 3% above last year and reports that the deer taken are very healthy. Hunters reporting, of their deer taken has dropped from 50% to 40%. The DEC also wants to hear from us about any Bob Cat or Fisher sightings. Damage permits by County and kills County Farms Reported kills County Farms Reported kills Chemung - 17 15 Genesee 34 71 Livingston 34 99 Monroe 70 320 Ontario 47 112 Orleans 41 104 Schuyler 17 28 Seneca 14 30 Steuben 173 190 Yates 19 58 Wayne 85 236 Talk was about if there was a way Federations or clubs could possibly step up and transport venison to donation programs so that less of these would be wasted. We had an intermission as DEC biologists had captured two Short Eared Owls and were having tracking devices attached. We were invited in so see them attaching the tracking devises. Old Business: Question was asked by Gary Chave if Marc Osypian had been appointed to CFAB yet. Answer is not to date. Glen Adams asked the question of Mike Wasilco before the meeting if he felt there was a sustainable Dove population in New York to hunt. Mikes answer that he reaffirmed during the meeting is that Doves from NY are being hunted, but not in NY. 400 doves were banded in NY and 4 doves were taken within four days of the banning. One was taken in North Carolina, and three in Pennsylvania. In order for a Dove hunt to take place in NY they would need to be reclassified as game birds. There is no reason not to hunt doves in NY biologically. They are managed on federal level. Mike Wasilco stated that although you only see three or four at a time usually these are a changing regularly. It would take scouting to find a flock as they generally do not flock up like Black Birds. Survey of doves a year ago did not find an overwhelming response of hunters wanting a season. The banding of doves started two years ago for New York Resident Goose population is a problem and has resulted in agricultural damage. After May 1 damage permit would allow the shooting of 5 per day. Permits can be granted for Agricultural damage or public health The National Wildlife 15 year plan has been finalized for the Iroquois refuge. Plan deals with public access. Originally the refuge proposed closing the spring Turkey hunt. The plan input has resulted in maintaining the spring Turkey hunt as well as adding a fall Hunt. Montezuma is working on a 15 year plan now and our group and others need to put pressure onto them to open up to additional types of hunting. Currently there is only Waterfowl and Deer hunting on the refuge. We need to have the refuge be as consistent with the State as possible. 40% of refuge is open for migratory bird hunts. Draft of NYS budget may expend a little more of the CF. It was suggested NYSCC support of Seneca white deer needs to be in its policy. Federation news: Orleans Co.- St Mary’s Game Dinner Feb 19th. Orleans County is again putting an advertisement into the NYSCC grass roots news. Ontario Co. Next federation meeting Feb 21 at the South Bristol Fish and Game Club. Motion made by Mike Elam and second by Dennis Race to put add in NYSCC for 6 months (every other month) cost of $150. Motion carried. Add need to be updated to include Chemung and Ontario counties. Genesee Co- Oatka Fish and Game Club and the Genesee Conservation Foundation held a youth Squirrel hunt that was a success. Genesee Fish and Game Protective Association at Godfrey’s pond is looking at hosting a National Hunting and fishing day event this fall. Livingston Co. Is working on next year’s National Hunting and Fishing day event, they are looking to increase educational displays, and less flea market. This event has been successfully hosted by Livingston County Federation for 39 years. Yates Co- is working with the 4 H shooting program and trying to get youth involved. Yates County is also working on their youth Fishing Derby for next year. Yates county SCOPE has a raffle. Seneca Co. Banquet is the 3rd week in April at the Waterloo Sportsmen’s club. Seneca County is planning a Fishing Derby. Waterloo club has a raffle going on. Schedule of Meetings: May 6th at 6:00 Pm Region 8 Headquarters East Avon. August 5th at 6:00 PM Picnic meeting at Yates County. November 4th at 6:00 Pm Region 8 Headquarters East Avon. Motion to Adjourn by Mike Elam all second and meeting was adjourned. Sincerely, Glen Adams 14 Washington St, Le Roy, NY 14482 585-768-6278 e-mail [email protected]

how about reversing that? 1st half ML no optics 2nd half shotgun,rifle,hand cannon.

Obviously you have never seen the winters in the Adirondacks because what you have stated above could not be farther from the truth. AND it's not legal Those legal and ethical issue's sure are conflicting.

Yea~ I've posted them already~

Sz late season ML and Bow. small game ML Bow shotgun ml rifle .kind of run together. I've shot ml for small game during sz bow.

Mine nickname and business name. I have more people that know me by BPB than my real name. When I call people who I've known for years and tell them it's Bill and use my last name they don't know me. I'd sit in meetings, introduce myself using my real name. The meeting would start and at least one person would be reading/quoting something I had written. The round table of opinions would start and they'd get to me and I'd agree with the letter and some short explanation. The few who did know who I was would start laughing and then one of them would introduce me as BlackPowderBill. It sure makes a few people take notice that maybe they should get to know who's at the table before the meeting starts. It use to be really funny when I'd slip into animal rights meetings & quote from AR books. Till they found out who I was~some of them would flip out & leave the meeting. LOL

I agree with 2B. I ask all the time why NY still has a permit system? Then go on to give other states as examples. It can't be that big of a money maker for counties and if it is we're being overcharge for government services.

Nice looking & they will fill the market for non-lead use areas. At close to $30.00 for 15 I'd sure hate to run through a couple dozen working up a load.

That's because at the meeting everyone votes on what to do, either oppose,support or adstain. NYB only has one vote.

It's all about control, control of what you do,when and how & the people that help the government do that to the rest of us. Those who help the government controll the rest of us need to be left alone. One day they will need help and you can smile and say, yea I remember when you cut youself a side deal and left us out in the cold. Now it looks as if we all get to suffer for it. Let me explain it again for those who missed my earlier post. The DEC really does wish we'd go away. Hunters are a very expensive tool to use for wildlife management. The biologist could be spending time doing real research instead of following us around from meeting to meeting. If you'll read the latest CFAB annual report, you will notice not one Senate or Legislative elected person on the econ committe attended one single meeting. That alone should tell you what the Albany Econ committee thinks of us. Don't think for one minuet that the states would not like to find a way to steal the R&P tax money to spend on themselves like the Feds did back in the 90's. You can copy paste all the crossBOW pictures and sophistry you want. You're only helping to controll people who should be able to hunt with what ever they choose to on there land. It's like the AR guys, forcing restrictions on people who could care less about a big rack. They show huge deer and claim they get this way by eating right and being left to live another year or two. When in fact you're looking at farm raised breed livestock. If it feels good. Hey , go ahead and keep that anti~crossBOW cheerleader chant going... You're not doing anything for the sport of hunting but forcing your morals on everyone else. I'd like to have a list of the anti~crossBOW people and archery shops just to see how long they go before the sales hit the bottom and crossBOW's show up in the store front windows.

Yea he got busted~ another waste of time supporting another ass~hat.Gald he's not in my area.