Four Season Whitetail's

Seems as though my script has expired. Why renew when you can get all the info ya need right here.

Yup just take a look at all the states around us whom's hunters believed in and listened to their DEC/DNR about deer numbers and takes. Now they have no tags and some are even having no season at all. Yup landowner/hunter managed land is a much better route. With smart landowner/Hunters of course. The smart hunter is getting in on a good managed piece of property with a friend that owns the property or pays a reasonable lease price on property and make their own great hunting area. You keep listening to the white coats you wont have to worry much about deer in a few short years.

For the ones that have wondered where your great deer scent came from and life on the farm you can have your chance. Sunday's at 5pm on the Pursuit Channel. The show is called ConQuest 200. They are the makers of Ever Calm deer stick. Interesting show if watched for what it is.

Lots of dads are happy for that law. The good dads and the bad ones. Gunna get a buck one way or the other they say!

So once again my business or income is brought up in a subject that has nothing to do with it. You and Biz over and over. This is not about trophy antlers. This subject is about ANY buck. Sorry that i have to admit that i need a challenge when it comes to hunting. I can walk into any of my properties and kill a deer in no time at all. Not a real tough thing to do. For me to locate and kill a 130 buck in my properties is like so peoples challenge to find a deer at all. Makes it a tad more interesting.

Maybe so but you are no doubt in the minority. Walk into any diner opening morning before first light and ask 100 hunters what they hope their day turns out to be and you will hear 90% of them say...Standing behind the big 10 point i have been watching or behind the buck making all the sign down in the swamp. Then you will hear them follow that up with..We are also going to fill the meat wagon full of doe's. That is a fact!

Thats just it buddy..I wont sit around, if something dont work i will change it. This ruling does nothing to change gun hunting that i can see and if the bow rule is in effect in those areas there must be plenty of does. At least the DEC thinks so anyways.

Riiiiiiiiight! Pretty simple really. This will never help the problem and that does not shock me. Anything the DEC does i am not shocked. One of my properties are involved in the ruling, I will still spend some time in the stand in that area, wont shoot any does but will see whats around on the property. Does will come close to home where there is no work involved. Bang, in the bucket to the barn it goes and hanging..Work Free.

No the point being driven is if antlers mater none to them before then not being able to shoot a buck should not dig to deep. As far as doe tags i believe a person can get what like 6 a year or something. Plus muzzy and bow. I know in 8H i can get a fist full. More than 1 family would ever eat unless they eat the stuff 7 days a week.

Many Did. It has been said many times that they would hunt even there were no bucks. Cant say i agree with this but for the ones that said antlers do not matter, They should not be as pissed as those that said antlers mean much more .If there are more does than bucks and antlers do not matter hunting should not change for a whole bunch of people. Now if this brings out the truth and antlers really do matter and is in fact the real reason most get out of bed, which i think is more the case, thats a different story. Most hunters lay their head down at night and wake at 4 in the morning with the dream of the biggest twisted racked buck in the woods walks by their stand that morning. Yes many will accept smaller if it happens by but the bone rules in hunting if anyone ever got down to the real truth of the matter. Now thats been removed and that is what pisses people off. Just as Ar pissed of people because that took away their choice of taking a..Smaller One..if that twisted monster they dream about does not happen by. People do not like things taken away from them.

And if the problem of hunters hanging up their hats because of age and such has not shown yet it very well may after this year. Cant kill deer with no hunters in the woods.

Thats a fair year for a hobby in any book. Whats real nice is those years that 6 or 8 head out the gate at 8 plus in that group along with the 20 plus. If ya really wanted to get picky we could add in doe's,Fawns and semen sales but why bother. A hobby making more than 3 times the average person makes in Ny at their jobs. Spending 365 days a year with the greatest animal alive! Yeah it Sucks!

I hope you did not just say that....You dont recognize their laws anymore! I said that a little bit ago and man the posts came a flying!

You will have to get up a little earlier in the morning if you are trying to catch me in something backwards. If you read said post you will see the true story on the BREEDER market!!! Very stupid money needed and made at that end of the business along with trips across the country showing you animals and missing so much time at home. Now for my success..... I raise 20-30 stocker bucks a year from 280 inches down to 140 inches. Said bucks are valued from 8 grand down to 2 grand. Most are 180-220 which fetch 5-6 grand plus. There is not a year that goes by that i am not sold out of any bucks that i want to sell. Demand is 3 times higher than product on any givin year. So if you are any good with numbers you can see that the business pretty much takes of itself. Even though after 18 years its pretty much just a hobby anymore. I now like to spend my time on my properties and spending time at camp and let the kids profit off of what i made them. So for your little cut and paste...Yeah there is money in every facet of the high fence deer hunting industry but rather than me chase the $ i like the $ to come to me!. Anything Else?

Oh Man!!!! Be Careful where you tread. I believe i have been saying this all day and i am the biggest SOB around...Some have pretty short memories thats for sure. Antlers mean everything to 99% of the hunters out there but they are just afraid to admit it for some reason. Sad Really!

Yeah when is the last time that happened in Ny? The Safe Act should have shown everybody that all bets are off the table and you either do things their way or you do thinks your way. Many fold and just go along with whatever rules are put in front of them and others do things their own way...Like Doc said in another post...Today your mad about something and the next day people forget all about it and just live with it.

So you think i should be outraged about this because everybody else is? There is no mocking in the truth. Many said antlers did not matter in their hunting regardless. Those things have not changed so in reality nothing should change. That is unless some were not telling the truth. Probably the case here. Mud Slinger you say...Ha... You can read the posts....I always love and get a kick out of the few that use my personal successful business against me in a conversation because i dont agree with them on something else. You do know what that shows about those other people right? Whats going to happen if the DEC hits a homerun on this course of action.

Well my friend..I dont make the rules and i have a choice just as you as to whom or what i will do regardless of any laws. If you are sitting here trying to say that most guys on this site has not said that antlers did not matter then you are full of it. If they did not matter then, they should not matter now. I make sure where i hunt is well managed and will be damned if someone sitting in a office in Albany somewhere can tell me what deer i need or do not need to harvest. Many own the properties they hunt and they now decide what can and cant be taken. Those my friend are the finest places to hunt the whitetail deer in Ny state. If others want to sit back and whine as they take it deep then that is their choice. Wont see that happen here! The truth of the matter is that for most antlers really do matter!!! As is now shown!

Its all about a successful business for me. A business that is a success makes $. Been that way from the beginning of time. Success is not a problem with my chosen business.but this is about killing does remember. Lets try and stay on track.

Oh did i miss someone? The thread is still up and most say they care less about antlers so whats the problem? Now its Law..That Sucks BUT it should change nothing in those hunters days afield. They were not there for antlers to begin with and they will get no antlers now.

Kinda hard not to see those 200 inch sheds! They shine like silver dollars$

Oh i agree but a post was put up not to long ago about what of a deer makes you pull the trigger and i believe myself and Antler were the only ones that said antlers make or break why a deer gets shot. The rest were the Blah,Blah, Good times, Meat, Time,Blah Blah. So one would think you would hear no bitching from those that did not use any antlers as a reason to hunt. Except now its the LAW and we have 10 pages of Bitching! Love It!

Many have said they did not care about the rack so no rack at all now should bother them none.

Well just because some of us state the obvious that doe not make us a crook also! But ya just never know!!!

Sorry but that already happens. Has for years. Farmer gets permits to shoot at night, Mexican farm hands ride around and gut shoot every deer they can get the scope on and we find them on our property all the time. Really helps our hunting in a way. Not everyone cares about the wild vermin as they call them and could care less about tags,laws or any deer on their property. Others manage their land for their enjoyment and will not care about some guy sitting in a chair somewhere taking a guess on how many deer he has and which ones to shoot and who to let walk. They do a much better job than the DEC...Its proven year after year. Trust me, i do it,see it...Enjoy It! Not sure what your getting at with the..Business of Deer Hunting.. statement has anything to do with this conversation. That part of the business has not began yet.