Four Season Whitetail's

I know i did something noble for my deer herd and myself. I had twice as many yotes three years ago than i do today and i have three times the deer today than i had three years ago. People can call it what they like.Hunting,sport,killing.what have you, I know the research says they breed up their numbers and we still get a bunch of dogs every year but by no means are their numbers anywhere what they were when the war started.

Thats fine..Let them breed. When you take out enough dogs and mature dogs at that, you end up with dumber young of the year to grow. Those are the easiest to kill anytime of the year. Great hunt by the way!!

Ok its time to let this one go...There is a new one in the copy i received today..Repeal of SAFE ACT longest of longshots. Sen.Tom O'Mara says..We understand that the odds are more than long that Gov Cuomo or Assembly Democratic leadership would ever reverse course and agree to repeal it... I guess this was already written on the wall.

This is win number one of many more to come. Gun rights are not the only rights being taken away from people and its now being settled in courts. This shows a few just what states/Govt cant do to deer farms and ranches. Court rules against DNR in high-fence hunting fight11:06 a.m. EST February 2, 2015 (Photo: Kelly Wilkinson/The Star) 67CONNECT 5TWEETLINKEDINCOMMENTEMAILMORE The Indiana Court of Appeals has ruled that state wildlife officials overstepped their authority when they attempted to ban high-fence hunting preserves a decade ago. The ruling is significant. Today, the House Natural Resources Committee is likely to vote on a bill that would set rules for high-fence hunting preserves in Indiana. The three-judge appeals panel ruled 2-1 that the Department of Natural Resources went “beyond the express powers conferred upon it by the General Assembly... to manage Indiana’s wildlife,” when the agency tried to shut down hunting preserves a decade earlier. The appellate court ruled that privately owned deer on preserves are exempt from the DNR’s regulatory authority. The opinion also calls on the legislature to end a stalemate over high-fence hunting in Indiana. In 2005, the DNR issued an order attempting to shut down the state's fenced deer hunting preserves, after a case in which deer bred for big antlers were being shot in enclosures so small that officials called them “killing pens.” The preserves sued, challenging the order. In 2013, a Harrison County judge ruled that the DNR had no authority over captive-deer hunting because the animals on the preserves were privately owned. They are sold as part of a boutique agricultural industry that breeds deer with antlers sometimes twice as large as the record for animals killed in the wild. Valuable breeding bucks and does can command six-figure prices. The status of the animals remained unclear. Less than a year before the Harrison County ruling, an Owen County judge tossed out another case challenging the DNR’s authority. The justices affirmed the Harrison County decision

Many states tell you to carry because the local PoPo may not be there to protect you from the bad guy!

Thats why it has to be deer check and turn in old tags. Just like Ar..Many say let hunters save the little guys, well most wont and will take a spike over a doe or hold off until crunch time and then take the spike when time is up, even though the meat may not be needed but hate to have that empty tag.

Couple acres, few deer, 20-30 grand on the low end. Make Plan B your retirement. Good luck to ya!

I agree..To each their own. As long as you are happy at the end of the day. Me i like lots of land with lots of room to run. I take 2 weeks vacation and give that to the family and i take 50 and give it to myself. I just love having land at home and then camps to go spend the weekends. Sounds as though you should have no problem moving it if that is in fact a great price for that area.

I believe not. I think i read before that he is in a place where there are piles of yotes and piles of deer. Living in harmony if you will. No this may be true but for one to say there are no such thing as someone having a coyote problem and that they do not effect deer populations or movements. Well they have never seen a real coyote problem.

Vermin for me would be something, anything that the population grows over its means and needs. Whitetails are vermin in a couple areas in Syracuse.

And hunter Orange is last on the list. For Release: Thursday, January 29, 2015 2014 Marks the Second Best Year for Safe Hunting in New York New York's Sportsman Education Program is a Key FactorThe 2014 New York hunting season closed with the second lowest number of hunting related-shooting incidents on record, State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) Commissioner Joe Martens announced today. "Hunting is a tradition in New York State that continues to be safely enjoyed by many," said Commissioner Martens. "Governor Cuomo's NY Open for Fishing and Hunting Initiative recognizes all the benefits the sporting community brings to New York's economy and commends hunters for continuing their safe hunting practices. I thank our hunters for following the safety guidelines and for making this past year a successful hunting season." New York's hunting incident rate (incidents per 100,000 hunters) has fallen by more than 75 percent since the 1960s. The past five-year average is down to 4.3 incidents per 100,000 hunters, compared to 19 per 100,000 in the 1960s. A total of 22 hunting incidents occurred in 2014, including one unfortunate fatality which occurred while hunting small game. Eight of this year's accidents were self-inflicted, eleven involved members of the same hunting party and only three occurred where the victim and shooter did not know each other. This was the first year on record without an incident occurring during the spring turkey season. The lowest total number of hunting incidents in any year occurred just a year ago (19 incidents in 2013). All incidents are thoroughly investigated by trained Environmental Conservation Officers. The findings of these investigations are used to improve New York's Hunter Education Course to ensure that the most common causes of incidents are addressed and emphasized during instruction. Only incidents involving firearms, bows, and crossbows are included. Incidents involving tree stand use or other hunter health-related mishaps are not. "These declining statistics prove that New York has a safety-conscious generation of hunters. This is due in part to the committed efforts of more than 2,500 volunteer Sportsman Education Instructors who are trained and certified by DEC," added Commissioner Martens. Sportsman education is an essential background to have in the field and teaches future sportsmen and sportswomen how to be safe, responsible and ethical hunters and trappers. All courses are offered free of charge. While hunting is safer than ever, accidents happen, and it is important to remember that every hunting-related shooting incident is preventable. Many, if not all of these incidents could have been prevented, if only the shooter or victim had followed the primary rules of hunter safety to: assume every firearm to be loaded; control the firearm muzzle in a safe direction; keep finger off the trigger until ready to fire; identify your target and what lies beyond; and wear hunter orange. The NY Open for Fishing and Hunting Initiative is an effort to improve recreational opportunities for sportsmen and women and to boost tourism activities throughout the state. This includes streamlining fishing and hunting licenses, reducing license fees, improving access for fishing and increasing hunting opportunities in New York State. In support of this initiative, $10 million in NY Works funding has been dedicated to fish hatchery repairs and 50 new land and water access projects such as boat launches, hunting blinds, trails and parking areas. Under the initiative, the 2015-16 Executive Budget proposes to establish a new capital account, the Habitat Conservation and Access Account. The bill would provide up to $1.5M annually from the State Fish and Game Trust Account and all proceeds from the sale of the Habitat Stamp to a new Habitat Conservation and Access Account to ensure that DEC has funds available for management, protection and restoration of fish and wildlife habitat, and for the improvement and development of public access for fish and wildlife related recreation. For more information, including the 2014 Hunting Safety Statistics, visit the Sportsman Education Program page on DEC's website.

Yes but has lots of rules and permits that most wont deal with. Deer and bear guys will go thru the hoop's!

Nah..I get it..Top to Bottom..The way i see it is on these 700 acres there only needs to be one top dog. All new comers will be eliminated. But i would say that if there ever was a place to do up to date research then this would be it. Over on Drum there is a fenced in area called the Cantonment area, They have even found their way onto there with an 7ft fence all around it. Now during hard times they can get into solders garbage and such and live like a California coyote.They are by no means a stupid animal and are a formidable foe.

Not much to argue about when your paper spells it out for ya. Wolves operate in packs in which each wolf has a specialized role in hunts that would otherwise fail, often against prey much larger than the individual wolves. All wolf subspecies, including dogs anddingos, and the closely related coyote, are menaces to wildlife,livestock, and vermin and are competent defenders

Huge...My 700 is across a road from their 109.000 acre breeding ground. These guys that really run these things are high tech boys with GPS and shock collars. They can tell whenever they run this farm if the dogs are heading to the military base, and thats where they head. When they block off their choice to get on drum the hunt stays on and the snow buggies run them down. Hard for a yote to cross an open, 3 foot of snow covered cornfield when he has a pissed off hunter on 1000cc green machine on his heals. In those cases its when the Cat chases the Dog!

Again here..Many that did not have the chance to make the extra grand or two a month have a problem with the view. In my area up on the Hill i and many think they fit right into the ski and snowmobile areas that they are located in. I have heard of many out of staters say that bring their sleds up here just to ski-do around them and the views. Different stroke for different folks!

This is far from being the truth and real life will show you so. Do we have to many because of Drum? You bet ya because they cant be hunted there and they get to live and screw their brains out to make more. Now do we have even close to what we had before we started killing them every givin chance? Hell No! If Ft Drum was not here there would be close to none on this landscape. That is a fact because we kill them. If anyone thinks for one second that a heavy coyote population on your property will not kill your deer and ruin your hunting have either never owned property and had the problem or are clueless to the real world. I dont give a rats behind what some white coat tells me what a yote will or wont do by research. The real world showed me that when i got 700 acres loaded with some of the best deer hunting conditions in the state and had no deer but had packs of yotes on all 4 corners i had a problem. When you sat in a tree stand every night and saw 3 or 4 to 1 on yotes/deer i have a problem. Now after 3 years of blasting the vermin at every chance i see 3 to 4 to 1 still but now its deer over dogs. That my friend is a proven fact! Do we still have the vermin. You bet ya, had a single track yesterday morning walking my deer fence, Does that bother me? Not really, make me real happy because there was only 1 track meaning 1 animals. 2 years ago that would have been 4-6 running together. Bottom line is if you kill the problem the problem will go away. An active pack of yotes is not a problem. As far as the saying that if we kill alot of them then they will breed to make more to make up for the loss....They had better get in the sack because they are falling way behind.

So now take this post and put it over with the 1 buck rule, Ar, shorter season posts and say its not about making ny into a come to place to hunt big deer. Very few out of staters will come to another state and pay the price just to shoot..Any Deer. I know t say fishing and hunting but what other animal are they going to say..Come to Ny to hunt? We have the fisheries wrapped up for sure. Not much better anywhere for an area to take all kinds of game fish but besides Yotes i dont think we have much on the hunting end. Some of us have great turkey and waterfowl for a short time of the season but over all they will have to advertise Big Deer to boost tourism in hunting.

Yes and not all their readers. I missed that one somehow. Who know;s maybe it was mostly new hunters without much experience under their belt that made most of the replies? Hard to say from just a small group of hunters.

Yup, Have a great one!

Is this like just outside the city? 175 and cant buy a house i think i would have to relocate. Funny how different sportsmen live in places. The bus, The train..I could not handle that. I get worked up when some fool in a..Fast and Furious..Honda gets stuck in the middle of the road because he is pushing snow with his lowered bumper because its only 1 inch off the ground.

You hunt Letchworth state park and you get a permit to hunt and you get a questioner to send back at the end of the season. You dont send it back in. You dont hunt the park the next year. They used to be pretty lax on this but now they are really turning hunters down. The girls go through the 500 permits issued for the west side to see if they all reported if the hunted the year prior. If not, you geta turn down and the reason why. Word has it that they are now even checking cabin renters for the ones that think they can get around it that way. I see no reason that they cant have mandatory reports and sending in unused tags. You get a tag and your name better be on the harvest report or your unused tag had better been sent back and destroyed. No early bow in the north so no reason to carry over tags.

Man i cant see anyone on this site spending that kind of jingle on a place like that. Nothing against the place or you but a sportsmen with 175 big ones at his disposal could buy himself a little piece of paradise i gods country. I now its not possible for everyone but i cant imagine living that close to somebody else!

I am sure someone on here will take you up on your offer to blast away the yotes this winter. If you have beaver issues you should hook up with one of the guys over on the trapping threads. Someone will work with ya.

Keep working at it Son....And get out of the City!