Four Season Whitetail's

I can only speak for myself bud... But i would like to think so!

Yup and if you really knew how a deer farm operated you would know that you keep your breeders and does friendly and also any deer used for scent collection..Just Sayin...

Funny you should say that because that is just what i do with my pen's. Human Interaction..Every 7 days? Next!!!!!

What a crock. See thats just my point...This is YOU,YOU,YOU talking. Your thoughts and your opinions. I know people that only harvest small bucks and does behind fence so dont think it dont happen. And ya know the real true fact of the whole think is that...Its none of your business, my business or anyone else how someone chooses to spend their time but for you to say..Oh i killed a human stocked,hand fed bird and say you had a great time but then throw some spin about antlers on killing another animal is a crock and that was the whole point to the thread...Its not about how and where a animal is killed...Its about what animal is being killed and by whom and that fact has been proven over and over!

So you never hunted stocked birds?

Really...How did you feed your birds? Had no human interaction i take it?

Really...You blame one part of something when there are a dozen other parts of the puzzle? Thats the problem right there. You nailed it perfect! You are ok.. ethical i guess... killing hand fed birds raised by humans but have a problem with someone..unethical i guess... killing a deer because of its rack? Nice You dont think hunting is different for different people? You say we all should be proud and your right but we also all should have our own choices!.

So true, all you have to do is listen! Oh and comprehend....Thats where the problem lays with most...

Feedback: How New York Decides Who Can't Have Guns TOOLS 0 COMMENTS EMAIL THIS ARTICLE DIGG PRINT THIS ARTICLE Story Published: Dec 4, 2014 at 5:16 PM EST Story Updated: Dec 5, 2014 at 7:52 AM EST The state says six people in Jefferson County, five in St. Lawrence County and one in Lewis County are not mentally safe enough to own guns. But how does the state determine this? First, a mental health professional identifies a threat. "If a person wants to cause harm to themselves, they made a statement like that, or cause harm to anybody else, they've made a statement of that sort," said Dr. Fahd Rawra, Samaritan Medical Center medical director. They then file a report, which in Jefferson County is sent to county Community Services. "We review it, confirm that the license is indeed appropriate and that the case meets the criteria of the SAFE Act," said Director of Jefferson County Community Services Roger Ambrose. Once they've verified the report, it's sent to Albany. From there, State Police find out if the person identified has a gun permit. If he or she does, police present their findings to the local county court judge. The judge decides whether or not to suspend or revoke the permit and has local law enforcement confiscate the guns. In Saint Lawrence and Jefferson counties, that hasn't happened yet. "As of right now we have not received anything from the state. We certainly don't have any names of people," said Jefferson County Sheriff John Burns. At least not yet. In Lewis County one person has already had their guns seized as a result of this process according to the county court clerk. For the 11 remaining in Saint Lawrence and Jefferson counties, it may just be a matter of time.

Will be looking to fill the last buck tag of the year with the decent 8pt that has shown up the last few days. 60pts on the contest would be a decent score.

So let me get this right.. You can piss and whine because the Govt is stepping all over you with the gun laws and stepping on your rights and when someone shows support of those laws some call them every name under the sun but when someone else has their rights stepped on it should not be spoken about or the ones spreading the lies and agendas should not be called out and the truths be shown? Right! There is no pot stirring, it is posts and facts showing how two faced people are when it comes to these items. There is no me..There is no rich or better than anyone. If you even knew me you would know i have turned wrenches at my local auto repair shop for close to 30 year . Deer are a hobby.

These you are going to start seeing in about every state that has and kind of cervid industry. This state is trying to say they have a voice over an animal owned by a private citizen. Yeah this one wont last long in court! Enjoy the read! Missouri Deer Farmers Serve Lawsuit to Missouri Department of Conservation December 4, 2014 The following update is provided by the Missouri Deer Association: As most of you now know, the Missouri Department of Conservation (“MDC”) has recently distributed to all deer breeders and trophy preserve operators a packet containing the newly proposed rules and regulations affecting our industry. These new rules and regulations are slated to take effect on January 30, 2015. If implemented, the effect of these overreaching new rules and regulations will have a dramatic, devastating and lasting effect on our industry. This will drive out many existing breeders and hunting ranch operators and have a severe chilling effect thereby preventing new cervid related industries from coming into the state. Background On October 17, 2014, MDC approved this series of sweeping and unauthorized regulations that reach far beyond the agency’s Constitutional and statutory authority by attempting to regulate privately owned deer. The regulations also improperly burden the fundamental right to farming and ranching in Missouri, and discriminate against interstate commerce by closing the borders and completely banning the importation into Missouri of privately owned white-tail deer and other related cervids. Our Response A select group of members of the Missouri Deer Association, in an effort to protect the interests of its members and the cervid industry in the State of Missouri, have initiated a lawsuit filed against the MDC and the individual conservation commissioners (i.e. James T. Blair, IV, David W. Murphy, Marilynn J. Bradford and Don C. Bedell) in their official capacities. The lawsuit was filed on November 20, 2014 and MDC and the commissioners have now been served with the suit. To be clear, Missouri Deer Association is not a plaintiff in this suit as the “association” legally is not directly damaged by the new rules and/or acts of MDC. The plaintiffs are individual members, both breeders and hunting preserve owners/operators who represent a broad cross-section of our membership. This lawsuit seeks an order temporarily and permanently enjoining MDC and the commissioners from enforcing their proposed regulations, as well as a judgment declaring that MDC’s authority over “wildlife resources of the state” does not encompass privately owned cervids, and that the proposed regulations are invalid under the U.S. Constitution, Missouri Constitution and Missouri statutes. In other words, if our order is granted, the court’s ruling will prevent the new regulations from going into effect while we attempt to (1) have the regulations declared unconstitutional, and (2) have privately owned cervids removed from the control of MDC by declaring that MDC has no authority over them. The Plan Going Forward Now that the lawsuit has been filed we are now awaiting a formal response or “answer” from MDC and the individual commissioners. We are expecting that to take place and for the court to schedule a hearing on our request for temporary and/or permanent injunctions within the next thirty to forty-five days. Soon the discovery phase of the case will begin where we will be allowed to request documentation and evidence from MDC. From there we can expect many motions and hearings along the way toward a final result. Regardless of the result at the end of the suit we can likely expect the losing party to appeal the decision. This appeal will spark another year to year in a half of proceedings. Each issue of this newsletter will include a summary of events and the current state of the lawsuit. As a member of the board of directors of the Missouri Deer Breeders association and an attorney, I have gladly taken on the role to act as our representative with the attorneys working on our behalf so that I can continue to keep the membership informed as to the status of the lawsuit. Feel free to contact me via email with any questions or concerns you may have. I will try my best to keep everyone informed and answer your questions in a timely fashion. I can be contacted at [email protected]. ** Jacques serves as Director of Operations at Winter Quarter Wildlife Ranch, LLC, located in Ethel, Missouri, where he assists his in-laws, Travis and Kathy Broadway, in the breeding and hunting operations at the ranch. Jacques, along with his wife Melanie and son Mason, also operate Wild Country Safari Park, LLC (a drive through zoo/safari park) located in North Louisiana, where they actively breed over 25 exotic species housed at the safari park. Jacques is also a licensed attorney in the State of Louisiana who has practiced for over 17 years in the area of business litigation. Missouri Deer FarMissouri Deer Farmers Serve Lawsuit to Missouri Department of Conservation December 4, 2014 The following update is provided by the Missouri Deer Association: As most of you now know, the Missouri Department of Conservation (“MDC”) has recently distributed to all deer breeders and trophy preserve operators a packet containing the newly proposed rules and regulations affecting our industry. These new rules and regulations are slated to take effect on January 30, 2015. If implemented, the effect of these overreaching new rules and regulations will have a dramatic, devastating and lasting effect on our industry. This will drive out many existing breeders and hunting ranch operators and have a severe chilling effect thereby preventing new cervid related industries from coming into the state. Background On October 17, 2014, MDC approved this series of sweeping and unauthorized regulations that reach far beyond the agency’s Constitutional and statutory authority by attempting to regulate privately owned deer. The regulations also improperly burden the fundamental right to farming and ranching in Missouri, and discriminate against interstate commerce by closing the borders and completely banning the importation into Missouri of privately owned white-tail deer and other related cervids. Our Response A select group of members of the Missouri Deer Association, in an effort to protect the interests of its members and the cervid industry in the State of Missouri, have initiated a lawsuit filed against the MDC and the individual conservation commissioners (i.e. James T. Blair, IV, David W. Murphy, Marilynn J. Bradford and Don C. Bedell) in their official capacities. The lawsuit was filed on November 20, 2014 and MDC and the commissioners have now been served with the suit. To be clear, Missouri Deer Association is not a plaintiff in this suit as the “association” legally is not directly damaged by the new rules and/or acts of MDC. The plaintiffs are individual members, both breeders and hunting preserve owners/operators who represent a broad cross-section of our membership. This lawsuit seeks an order temporarily and permanently enjoining MDC and the commissioners from enforcing their proposed regulations, as well as a judgment declaring that MDC’s authority over “wildlife resources of the state” does not encompass privately owned cervids, and that the proposed regulations are invalid under the U.S. Constitution, Missouri Constitution and Missouri statutes. In other words, if our order is granted, the court’s ruling will prevent the new regulations from going into effect while we attempt to (1) have the regulations declared unconstitutional, and (2) have privately owned cervids removed from the control of MDC by declaring that MDC has no authority over them. The Plan Going Forward Now that the lawsuit has been filed we are now awaiting a formal response or “answer” from MDC and the individual commissioners. We are expecting that to take place and for the court to schedule a hearing on our request for temporary and/or permanent injunctions within the next thirty to forty-five days. Soon the discovery phase of the case will begin where we will be allowed to request documentation and evidence from MDC. From there we can expect many motions and hearings along the way toward a final result. Regardless of the result at the end of the suit we can likely expect the losing party to appeal the decision. This appeal will spark another year to year in a half of proceedings. Each issue of this newsletter will include a summary of events and the current state of the lawsuit. As a member of the board of directors of the Missouri Deer Breeders association and an attorney, I have gladly taken on the role to act as our representative with the attorneys working on our behalf so that I can continue to keep the membership informed as to the status of the lawsuit. Feel free to contact me via email with any questions or concerns you may have. I will try my best to keep everyone informed and answer your questions in a timely fashion. I can be contacted at [email protected]. ** Jacques serves as Director of Operations at Winter Quarter Wildlife Ranch, LLC, located in Ethel, Missouri, where he assists his in-laws, Travis and Kathy Broadway, in the breeding and hunting operations at the ranch. Jacques, along with his wife Melanie and son Mason, also operate Wild Country Safari Park, LLC (a drive through zoo/safari park) located in North Louisiana, where they actively breed over 25 exotic species housed at the safari park. Jacques is also a licensed attorney in the State of Louisiana who has practiced for over 17 years in the area of business litigation. mers Serve Lawsuit to Missouri Department of Conservation December 4, 2014 The following update is provided by the Missouri Deer Association: As most of you now know, the Missouri Department of Conservation (“MDC”) has recently distributed to all deer breeders and trophy preserve operators a packet containing the newly proposed rules and regulations affecting our industry. These new rules and regulations are slated to take effect on January 30, 2015. If implemented, the effect of these overreaching new rules and regulations will have a dramatic, devastating and lasting effect on our industry. This will drive out many existing breeders and hunting ranch operators and have a severe chilling effect thereby preventing new cervid related industries from coming into the state. Background On October 17, 2014, MDC approved this series of sweeping and unauthorized regulations that reach far beyond the agency’s Constitutional and statutory authority by attempting to regulate privately owned deer. The regulations also improperly burden the fundamental right to farming and ranching in Missouri, and discriminate against interstate commerce by closing the borders and completely banning the importation into Missouri of privately owned white-tail deer and other related cervids. Our Response A select group of members of the Missouri Deer Association, in an effort to protect the interests of its members and the cervid industry in the State of Missouri, have initiated a lawsuit filed against the MDC and the individual conservation commissioners (i.e. James T. Blair, IV, David W. Murphy, Marilynn J. Bradford and Don C. Bedell) in their official capacities. The lawsuit was filed on November 20, 2014 and MDC and the commissioners have now been served with the suit. To be clear, Missouri Deer Association is not a plaintiff in this suit as the “association” legally is not directly damaged by the new rules and/or acts of MDC. The plaintiffs are individual members, both breeders and hunting preserve owners/operators who represent a broad cross-section of our membership. This lawsuit seeks an order temporarily and permanently enjoining MDC and the commissioners from enforcing their proposed regulations, as well as a judgment declaring that MDC’s authority over “wildlife resources of the state” does not encompass privately owned cervids, and that the proposed regulations are invalid under the U.S. Constitution, Missouri Constitution and Missouri statutes. In other words, if our order is granted, the court’s ruling will prevent the new regulations from going into effect while we attempt to (1) have the regulations declared unconstitutional, and (2) have privately owned cervids removed from the control of MDC by declaring that MDC has no authority over them. The Plan Going Forward Now that the lawsuit has been filed we are now awaiting a formal response or “answer” from MDC and the individual commissioners. We are expecting that to take place and for the court to schedule a hearing on our request for temporary and/or permanent injunctions within the next thirty to forty-five days. Soon the discovery phase of the case will begin where we will be allowed to request documentation and evidence from MDC. From there we can expect many motions and hearings along the way toward a final result. Regardless of the result at the end of the suit we can likely expect the losing party to appeal the decision. This appeal will spark another year to year in a half of proceedings. Each issue of this newsletter will include a summary of events and the current state of the lawsuit. As a member of the board of directors of the Missouri Deer Breeders association and an attorney, I have gladly taken on the role to act as our representative with the attorneys working on our behalf so that I can continue to keep the membership informed as to the status of the lawsuit. Feel free to contact me via email with any questions or concerns you may have. I will try my best to keep everyone informed and answer your questions in a timely fashion. I can be contacted at [email protected]. ** Jacques serves as Director of Operations at Winter Quarter Wildlife Ranch, LLC, located in Ethel, Missouri, where he assists his in-laws, Travis and Kathy Broadway, in the breeding and hunting operations at the ranch. Jacques, along with his wife Melanie and son Mason, also operate Wild Country Safari Park, LLC (a drive through zoo/safari park) located in North Louisiana, where they actively breed over 25 exotic species housed at the safari park. Jacques is also a licensed attorney in the State of Louisiana who has practiced for over 17 years in the area of business litigation.

Yeah Ok...This thread shows only one thing and that is how two faced people really are.. I love it because half of you fit this bill just fine and im happy to show everyone just that with your replys. We can kill anything anywhere except the pretty little deer! Whatever! Dont need to throw attention to one of the fastest growing industries around. Trust me, That industry is rolling along just fine and this thread was no about the deer industry. I love how truths and facts burn the one's that fit the post

I would think anyone that owns their own property would support a law. There is a list of positives and no negatives yet some fight it?

Try to get another cabin if ya can.or buy lots of wood.If i remember right 17 and 18 were Nice cabins but very windy inside, you will be up every 2 hours max loading the stove. Good Luck.

Well good for you. Make your opinion and move on. The only time an argument comes up or a couple children put posts on that really shows their intelligence,like the rat does is when facts are shown to prove how two faced they really are. If you dont like the post then stay away from them. Pretty simple!

Because this would be a law and many do not have problems with a law untill it includes them.

LOL..Yes i read your full post and thats why i wrote the word if in my return. For you to even ask what the diff is between a hunter pushing another hunter a deer and a dog pushing a hunter a deer, Well that kinda throw up a flag. I believe i read before where you said you have no problem with hunters killing stocked birds? Yes?

Really!!! You want to go there? No Thanks. Let me tell you this my friend....If the post on here right now of the great deer drives that killed a dozen awesome deer said at the bottom..All ran to us by dogs!! This freakin board would light up so fast it would catch on fire. If you think a human hunter and a dog hunting are no diff and a bear standing eating candy in a bucket or walking into a corn field at dusk is no diff...You have the problem...Not Me!!

Ya know..Honesty here really has nothing to do with it. A person should have the choice to do as they see fit. If a guy wants to spend 10 grand on a hunt within a well run ranch, thats his business, not ours. The problem lays with the ones on the outside that are not involved. Yes its all about the bone on the head inside just as it is for me and 99% of all hunters if they were being honest. I would bet the farm very few would turn down a free hunt on a 500 acre ranch with their choice of buck scoring 120 up to 200 inches killed by any legal means and i will also show you the 200 inch buck everyone would choose. Even though half of those hunter have never killed a 120in buck they would not be happy without the 200incher. If people just minded to their own affairs and not those of others we would be in a lot better place. And as far as the birds goes, it really makes no diff. They will kill any other human raised animal without as much as a thought but you put a deer in there and it all changes. All animals are not created equal i guess. Or it just two faced hypocrites doing the thinking!

You may want to check the reg's in all states. I have no problem controlling a disease that is killing any people or animals. CWD is doing neither!!!! We are not talking raising here. We are talking the hypocrites that can kill any other human, hand raised living thing and be just peachy with it untill we put the Whitetail deer in the paragraph. How much more two faced can anyone get?

STOCKING UP FOR HUNTING December 1, 2014 To stock or not to stock? Recently, the Pennsylvania Game Commission announced that it will release 220,000 farm-raised pheasants this year for hunting purposes. Raising game birds to be released for hunters is common practice across the country, and pheasants are one of the world’s most hunted birds. They are raised on farms for the explicit purpose of being ‘hunted’ and no one screams about it or attempts to pass legislation to stop it. It’s perfectly fine. Another good example is bobwhite quail, an upland game bird that has been a favorite target of sportsmen for centuries, and farm-raised quail have been used to stock hunting ranches for about just as long..U.S. farmers produced nearly 40 million quail in 2007, which is the most recent available data through the USDA. If quail are not flushed, they will stay in the immediate area where the land owner or ranch manager puts them. Plus, the birds do not fly when they are stressed, so it is generally recommended that the ranch owners put the birds out about one hour before hunting. So, do you get the picture? Farm-raised quail are placed on a piece of property. The ranch owner knows exactly where they are and then takes the hunter out a hour later....and everyone is happy. The quail farmers are happy. The ranch owner is happy. And, more importantly, the hunter is happy with his experience. No one squawks about it. No one has a problem with it. It’s perfectly acceptable to all sportsmen....and, frankly, I don’t have a problem with it either. But place a few farm-raised deer on a 1,000-acre ranch and set a hunter in a blind...and the moral outrage and condemnation begins. IT’S HORRIBLE. IT’S OUTRAGEOUS. IT’S UNETHICAL. IT’S NOT FAIR CHASE. YOU’RE DESTROYING OUR HUNTING HERITAGE!!!! When you raise whitetail deer and then move those deer into hunting areas, the media and a majority of sportsmen scream bloody murder and decry the practice as unethical. They say it’s not ‘real’ hunting, and basically attack other hunters for exercising their freedom to choose how and where to hunt. Some groups, like QDMA — a group I like to call the Questionable Deer Management Association — have even adopted the tactics of the infamous, anti-hunting group HSUS and pushed legislation to destroy the legal and successful deer industry. How can placing farm-raised animals in a hunting environment be acceptable for one species and not another? Why is it okay to farm-raise, place and then hunt pheasants and quail, but the same practice with deer is an assault on our hunting heritage? Maybe I’m too simple-minded. But it seems to me that an act is either ethical or it isn’t. As they say, you cannot be a just a little bit pregnant. When I posted an ‘Hypocrisy Alert’ on the Outdoor Patriot Facebook page about Pennsylvania’s pheasant stocking, I received an interesting response from one alleged hunter who said stocking pheasants was okay, but not deer because hunters did not need to stock deer. The argument of who needs or doesn’t need to hunt or stock is ridiculous and, frankly, it’s one that I would expect from a gun-grabbing, Colorado-pot smoking, book burning, tyranny-loving Progressive who wants to tell others what they need and don’t need and then pass laws to impose their beliefs onto others. Hunters and all Americans need to wake up. This isn’t about need at all. It’s about freedom — Freedom as a consumer in a capitalistic society to buy a legal product or service. Too often, others tell us what we need and don't need and before too long we all become good little sheeple and they are making the decisions for us. When it comes to hunting, let’s be honest. In today’s modern supersized culture in the United States, who really ‘needs’ to hunt anything? There are many reasons we choose to hunt — sustenance, connect with nature, heritage, and others...all of them good. But, with a few exceptions of some isolated Inuit or Native American tribes, ‘need’ is rarely, if ever, a factor. Food in this country is plentiful. While a survey published in the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation shows that 81 percent of the people support hunting, the majority of the people still agree that there is no ‘need’ to hunt. There are many possessions and services in America today that we don’t ‘need’. We don’t need diamond-studded watches, bottled water, video games, monster trucks, organic chicken, designer running shoes, tanning salons, Ferraris, and pumpkin spice lattes. As Americans, we have the freedom to choose the products and services we want, and a capitalistic system provides for it. If enough people demonstrate demand for something, the market will supply it. Denying law-abiding citizens a product or service they want and can afford simply based on someone else’s opinion on what they think you need is at the heart of fascism. Do you want the government to decide for you what you need? Do you want other hunters to decide for you which animals you need and don’t need to hunt? Do you want other hunters to decide for you how and where you will hunt? No one in Pennsylvania needs to hunt farm-raised pheasants. We don’t need to hunt quail. However, state agencies and land owners across the country are responding to consumer demand and creating successful markets. Stocking and hunting pheasants and quail are enjoyable experiences. They are great ways to introduce more youth to hunting, and they generate revenue for state economies. It’s a win-win-win. So, how is raising deer any different? If stocked hunting is for the birds, then it is for the deer as well.

Yeah ok...Do you not post every one of your hunts on this site? So we see your interest. Some of us can find and kill the mature bucks that run our state. But they are called hunters!

You had an open invite to come hunt 750 acres of some of the best hunting in Jefferson County. We would love to have ya. Even take you on a day trip to the middle of a 107,000 acre military base for an afternoon hunt! Still a weekend left up here if your game?

Im glad i can be your guys hero. Im not sure but i dont think jealousy as bad as you and your pet Biz have is healthy. When you see something that you never were and never will be will dig at your being if your not careful and to see a pic that good with a buck the size of that, of which you two will never see let alone be able to take a hero shot with when.others do it on a yearly basis..Man that has to burn.