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Hope you didnt think about this statement long? Saying this is like saying you dont think anyone will use them. There will no doubt be thousands of 1st timers in the woods this fall on all state lands.

As we have all heard, CWD was found in Oneida County, New York. CWD was confirmed on 2 different farms, the 1st farm owned by John Palmer and the 2nd by Martin Proper. The 1st positive was a 6-year-old doe that was harvested for a fireman's benefit dinner. In talking to John, he said, "I picked out the fattest, healthiest looking doe I had." Most people have been led to believe that CWD-positive deer exhibit signs of poor health, but the deer farming industry has found this to be untrue. The vast majority of those animals that have tested positive have shown little, if any signs of sickness. The herd was depopulated only days after the 1st positive was found. On a Tuesday morning, sharpshooters came in and after 6 hours had put down the remaining 18 deer. Samples were collected and sent in for analysis. Friday the results were back; 3 more positives were found for CWD. These 3 deer all came from New York State's Rehabilitation Program. John Palmer acquired these deer from New York's wild population through conservation officers. John Palmer's herd started when he purchased a few deer from Ohio in 1994. Later, he added other deer from a New York source. 7 years ago John started rehabilitating fawns. John said he took in 1-14 fawns per year from all over New York. John had the responsibility of determining whether the fawn could be released back into the wild or had to stay forever in a pen in his privately owned herd. He also relocated some of these fawns to other producers. This is how Martin Proper came into the picture. Martin Proper is the owner of the 2nd positive herd. The animal that tested positive for CWD on his farm was a 4- or 5-year-old buck that died from pneumonia, another rehabilitated wild deer from New York. Martin received 2 deer from John Palmer's herd; one doe that was blind and one doe born with only 3 feet. They had bred and had produced some offspring. The aforementioned buck killed one of these does during last year's rut, and was not tested because it happened before their CWD Program was up and running. The rest of Martin's herd was put down and samples analyzed. No other positives were found. There were 5 positives found in these 2 herds; 4 were deer taken from the wild [as rehabilitated fawns]. It is unclear to John where the very first doe originated, but he felt it could have originated from the wild as well. Taking deer from the wild is not condoned by the cervid industry and is strongly discouraged; nonetheless, it did happen with the deer in this situation. A statement released by the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) on 5 Apr 2005 announced plans to conduct intensive monitoring of the wild deer population surrounding both farms to determine whether CWD has spread to the wild herds. The NYS DEC has already directed blame towards the farmed deer industry for bringing CWD into New York, even though there is a clear history of the DEC taking deer out of the wild and placing them into John Palmer's herd for rehabilitation. The question should be, "Where did the wild deer of New York get CWD?" Adding to the questions, without any answers, John is a taxidermist and has taken work from all over North America. He mentioned receiving work from the following states and Canadian province: Saskatchewan, Montana, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Colorado and Wyoming. When looking at where CWD has been found in the wild, many of these locations appear on that list. In a study released by Beth Williams and Mike Miller, they noted that [a deer] was just as likely to contract CWD from a live infected deer as it was to be housed in a pen with a dead positive carcass. Did one or more of the many dead animals brought into John's taxidermy studio have CWD? John stated that he kept the rehabilitation fawns in the same garage where he did much of his taxidermy work. It was common practice for John to sweep up his shop and deposit the salt and chemicals along the deer fence as a weed retardant. The industry has always said that movement of CWD-positive carcasses would move CWD much faster and farther than moving live animals. Is the New York situation just that? Is there a need to regulate movement of CWD-positive carcasses? There are many points that come to the forefront from the situation in New York: * The detection of CWD in New York clearly shows that the monitoring system is working. These programs are set up to identify herds at risk. * This event highlights the need for surveillance. Without the state monitoring/surveillance programs, these positive deer would not be detected. The more herds on these programs, the lower the risk. * In the face of CWD, the best defense is herd monitoring/surveillance. What better way to get participation than to recognize those who have already participated in these programs and allow for continued movement for their herds that have met the needed criteria? The event in New York has _in no way_ compromised the health status of any herd that has been enrolled in a CWD monitoring/surveillance program. * CWD conjures up many questions that remain unanswered. There is a continued need for the government agencies involved and the industry to work together to resolve some of those questions. * As previously seen, in discoveries of CWD, including this New York case, all too often the producer is portrayed as a villain. There is no one who wants this "disease" to be found on their property. When CWD is found, the industry expects the producers to be treated fairly and with respect. The finger-pointing and intimidation tactics are _not_ needed to resolve the issues involved with CWD and private ownership of deer in the United States. Deer farmers are fathers, mothers, sons, and daughters. They have served this country in the armed forces. Deer farmers come from all walks of life; doctors, lawyers, carpenters, plumbers, and housekeepers. The one thing they all have in common is the passion they have for their deer. Let us work together to resolve the issues that CWD brings to the forefront across this great country of ours. Gary Nelson, President NADeFA [email protected] [it has been reported in other newspaper sources that the owner of index herd in NY not only put the salt and other products from cleaning up his taxidermy work along his fence lines -- thus exposing his captive herd -- but also that the fawns in the taxidermy garage area may have licked, mouthed, or chewed on entrails from some deer. It is stated in this NADeFA release that the owner of the index herd was to decide whether the rehabilitated deer could return to the wild or were not capable of survival on their own, presumably because of serious injury, such as 3 legs, or imprinting on people. However, he was instructed to turn some loose in the wild. If the fawn or fawns in question consumed -- or otherwise contacted -- infected tissues in the taxidermy shop and then were released to the wild, then it could be speculated that NYS DEC would likely find exposed wild animals. If the fawn was originally wild, exposed through taxidermy work on other wild animals, and then released back to the wild, it would be difficult to say that captive animals brought disease to wild animals. It would be more acceptable to say the wild animals have introduced this disease to captive animals If you read the words of the case of CWD in Michigan you will read a story that plays out much like Ny's cases. Found at a deer/Taxidermist shop and never to be found again. Just the true facts!

Awesome pic,s and open water with little snow? Wont see that for a few more weeks!

Scary if ever found to be true. I can tell you where there are over 100 people that ate a CWD positive deer in Ny State and to date there has never been an health issue with any of them. Good News!

Prevalence & surveillance Since 2002, chronic wasting disease (CWD) prevalence within our western monitoring area has shown an overall increasing trend in all sex and age classes. During the past 12 years, the trend in prevalence in adult males has risen from 8-10 percent to nearly 25 percent, and in adult females from about 3-4 percent to more than 10 percent. During that same time, the prevalence trend in yearling males has increased from about 2 percent to about 7 percent and in yearling females from roughly 2 percent to about 6 percent. We continue to find that disease prevalence is higher in males than females and higher in adults than yearlings. It is important to keep in mind that annual prevalence estimates are subject to sampling variation, and that trends over time give us better information. These annual monitoring data are important for Wisconsin's understanding of CWD distribution and prevalence. The graphs in the links below show estimates of trend in prevalence of CWD in the western monitoring area for yearling and adult males and females during 2002-2013. Illustrated in the graphs are trend curves that are based on all 12 years of test results

CWD detected in Washburn County in northwest Wisconsin Baiting and feeding banDeer baiting and feeding is banned in Washburn, Burnett, Barron and Polk counties. For more information on the ban, please see the baiting and feeding regulations. During the 2011 gun deer season, a 3.5-year-old doe exhibiting symptoms associated with Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) was sampled by Spooner DNR wildlife staff. Testing confirmed that this deer was positive for CWD. Genetic testing was also done, confirming that the 3.5-year-old doe was a wild deer from northwest Wisconsin. Since discovering CWD, the DNR has been actively testing deer found within a 10-mile radius of the initial positive deer's location, just west of Shell Lake. The DNR has a goal to sample 500 adult deer within the 10-mile intensive monitoring area. To reach this goal we need a lot of help from all deer hunters hunting within the 10-mile intensive monitoring area [PDF]. Hunters can help by providing the head or lymph nodes from their adult deer at one of the sampling stations [PDF]. It is important to test every adult deer that is harvested or dies within the 2-mile area for CWD. Northwest Wisconsin CWD sampling updateDuring the 2012-13 CWD sampling season 1,074 samples were collected. No additional CWD positive deer were detected, which strongly indicates that CWD was detected early in its infection of the deer herd of northwest Wisconsin. We would like to thank everyone who submitted a deer for testing in the past year. Without your help we would not have reached our sampling goal. For the 2013 season local wildlife staff in Washburn County sampled approximately 500 deer during the 9 day deer gun season. The table will be updated as results come back and the data is entered into the database system. CWD results from deer killed during 2013 CWD year (April 1, 2013 - March 31, 2014). Surveillance Area Negative Positive Inconclusive Results* Results Pending Totals 2 mile radius 49** 0 0 0 49 2-10 mile radius 450*** 0 4 0 454 Disease suspect deer from Barron, Burnett, Polk or Washburn 5 0 0 0 5 Totals 504 0 4 0 508

Sorry you feel that way and not looking for support per say. Just the truth out there to counter all the false statements and lies spread for years by groups to try and save their skin. In due time the tests will be here and then the lies will be over. After that i guess the masses will dictate what happens to the hunting world!

Yeah this post show just how much of a fool you look like and are now back peddling, Post number 58...Your answers in Red remember. You say in that post its spread by all the above and now you print science that says nobody knows how its really spread. Go Figure!

Do you think we care? It is a business and smart people dont run a business to fail. You have no clue how many people contact me off this site. One just got a wonderful start in the bizz today. Money does talk and the smart money will be with the guys that take advantage of the writing on the wall and have a great hobby that pays more than mosts full time jobs. Thats a fact that many,many people are taking advantage of. The future Jack.

Do you really think people dont know that you copy off Terry Singleterry blog? God you are so easy its down right funny. And you want to lead the QDMA push in NY. Good One. You might want to read what some of your brothers have to say. B&C will fight their last fight just like QDMA. They want the money, When they have no record bucks to list there will be no need for them. Just like the QDMA. Nice Try Though.

You dont keep up much huh. Ny did that...Against the law and now are being sued in a lawsuit filed by the Ny deer farmers. Should be hitting the headlines soon. You think the safe act is against your right... Same idea when you start pushing land owner rights and free trade. Money does talk.

Wow...You are easy.. You really drank that QDMA water huh. You have to use a case that is older than you are and you argue present time CWD... The fact is the experts said CWD was going to kill all the deer. Like in a matter of a year or two once in a herd. Ya thats held out huh. The state of Wisconsin has more deer now then ever and them fools even had an open season kill all deer on sight the first time they had CWD come to town. The herd came back in record numbers even with CWD in town. That a fact. You say big bucks are made from good soil? Well dont they have to be mature to get that size? How can they get to mature when the herd has CWD. Remember once a state gets it,it will run untill all the deer are dead.. This from white coats remember? Really only Ny? you may want to think that one through. Michigan got CWD from a taxidermist just like us. Ny state is not looking for CWD.. How can that be when they only test 1/2 of 1% of the herd in Ny state. We on the other hand test 100% of our animals. who do you think will find something first even when the wild deer pass it on to high fence deer. Last but not least.. This statement that you made about CWD shows that you really are clueless.... Please show us any case where CWD has been found in any other part of a whitetail besides the brain or nodes. Please show me where something has ever been fould in urine, feces or saliva. Now lets hear from some QDMA members that hunt CWD area and what they think its doing to the deer population. Shall Page 1 of 2 1 2 > # 03-19-2014, 09:56 PM Bullwinkle QDMA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NE Wisconsin Posts: 1,693 CWD backfiring? Don't know how wide spread or true this is but found it interesting and made sense. Talked to a buddy in the CWD area around Madison today. He said: 1. "CWD herd management is a joke. There are more deer than ever" 2. "People don't want to shoot does because they are afraid to eat them thus they only hunt trophy bucks. This policy has been awesome for improving the age class of deer. A lot of guys don't pull the trigger unless they want a taxidermy bill" 3. "Guys go up north to shoot does and fill tags/freezers where they don't need to worry about eating the deer" Interesting perspective. #4 03-19-2014, 10:47 PM gunther89 Guest Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Southwestern Wisconsin Posts: 63 That might be true for his area but guys in my area of the CWD zone aren't going easy on the does. I still try and take out at least 1 doe a year and haven't had one tested yet. Between 4 sets of neighbors they on average shoot 10 does a year and to my knowledge they don't test any of them. Ask any local in the CWD zone about CWD and they will tell you they aren't worried about it.

Not real bright on the subject i see! We were told when CWD hit any state it would wipe out the herds. Yet we see all these states with CWD on the ground for 10,20,30 years and they still kill record numbers of deer each year and the same 4 out of the top 5 states in the record books year after year are CWD positive states, for years. Same states keep having the farmers and car ins. companies complain that there are just to many deer.. Now please do tell us how this can even be? We have a freaking disease that is going to kill the masses remember. What a joke. They cant beat high fence so they try and use their last and only weapon. Trust me when i say...They will not have that weapon to use very much longer and i promise you that you will hear it from mountain top to mountain top. Get Ready!

Oh please get them here.... Please go to a deer farm site and see everyone of their thought on CWD in their states. The biggest thing is your own poll you put up makes you sound like a fool. HaHa. Sorry i cant play with ya today. Off to Clymer Ny to deliver 15 bred does to another new deer farmer. Spring is a great time of year.

Prove me wrong Jack!!!!!!!!!

Yea good luck with that one. Wait till the lawsuits start flying at these people. Its kinda funny how it always ends up with the high fence hunting. CWD is political and money driven. States are losing their battles with more and more hunters heading behind the fence and they are digging for any ground they can get. LOL..Texas, here we come. High fence will prevail. Cant wait till this live test is out on the market. I hope you smucks have alot of salt because you are going to be eating so much crow you will be crapping feathers.

You bet ya. If you were half as smart about this cwd stuff as you play out to be, please. 1. Show us where CWD has had any impact on the wild herd numbers in any state. 2. Please explain how these states can have CWD for years and still kill record numbers of deer each year. 3 Please explain how this disease is killing the deer in the top 5 states in the record books.Mature deer! 4 Please explain the practice in Ny state of taking untested road killed deer out of known past CWD hot zones, pile them in a compost piles across the state and then have state worker put that compost in every flower bed up and down the Ny state thruway along with farmers spreading the free fertilizer across their farm fields. That is just a start and should be interesting to see a reply. If you did some research on CWD you would see that states that get CWD also get more numbers of deer and set records with top high scoring bucks. CWD is still in NY state now but remember..In order to find something, you have to look for it.

Funny i see different peoples names on the ones that i read. You can try and spin it any way you like. Facts are facts and i will be sure to post everything i read on this issue and we will see when and if the QDMA changes their stance. That is if they dont implode. I like what i am reading over there on their website. Seems person after person from s few different states thought it best to cancel their memberships for lack of caring for members and sportsmen's needs. You do know what happens with each member lost membership right?

So post# 51 is kinda on the clean side? I guess a kid reading this would be harmed more by the word but ok with a couple guys bumping e's? Right.

Its all about money and sales for the DEC.. I bet they will let the masses play in the time givin this year to use them, watch the use and how many and then if the demand is there, give it a home of its own. They dont want to push any hunters out. They want and need as many hunters as they can get. With the drop in hunters every year it will be interesting watching it play out.

Just a little more proof that the QDMA is not all they are cracked up to be. I dont believe i have seen any statements from them anywhere changing their harvest thoughts and beliefs. CWD is not only in Wisconsin. March 28, 2014 5:00 pm • PATRICK DURKIN For the State Journal (1) Comments Researchers at the University of Wisconsin believe CWD could be reduced and managed by focusing heavy hunting pressure on bucks, which are twice more likely than female deer to carry the fatal disease. Enlarge Photo A just-released University of Wisconsin study on chronic wasting disease recommends focusing more hunting pressure on the deer most likely to carry and spread CWD in whitetails: bucks, the males of the species. The peer-reviewed study, released March 21 and published online in PLOS ONE, was led by Christopher S. Jennelle, Ph.D., and Professor Michael D. Samuel at UW. Samuel concedes many hunters will dislike shooting more bucks to reduce CWD, but Jennelle’s study predicts the alternative is CWD increasingly infecting more deer while spreading across the landscape. Samuel said this “acceleration of the infection rate” is already underway in the CWD’s core area in southwestern Wisconsin. Further, the researchers wrote that current deer-management practices in the area will have a predictable result: “Nearly 50 percent of adult males and 25 to 30 percent of adult females are expected to become infected within another decade.” In fact, those numbers could be conservative. “If we learn disease transmission is strongly tied to the amount of prions deer shed into their environment, and if that reservoir continues to build and worsen with the disease’s acceleration, our prevalence prediction would be optimistic,” Samuel said in an interview. “In a worst case, it might look like the 80 percent prevalence we saw on the Hall Farm.” In contrast, if the Department of Natural Resources implemented a buck-focused management strategy and hunters carried it out, deer herds would soon have fewer adult bucks but lower disease rates. The study projects a buck-focused plan would soon start reducing the CWD rate and drop it into the 5 percent range in 30 to 40 years. “We’ll probably never get rid of CWD, so the goal becomes how do we get it to a manageable level, one that doesn’t impact our deer herd; and how do we try to contain it so not every area becomes infected?” Samuel said. “If we don’t, the disease will grow worse and before long have impacts on the deer population.” The research article put it this way: “The tradeoff between strategies is clear. CWD can eventually be reduced with fewer opportunities to harvest healthy bucks, or more adult bucks may be available for harvest but with higher rates of CWD infection.” But “more adult bucks” is no certainty in that second scenario. Samuel said as CWD worsens, fewer bucks will reach older age classes, and hunters who managed properties for bigger bucks will start losing more of them to CWD. “These are sobering options, but the sooner we act, the less severe the problems and choices we’ll face,” Samuel said. “If we don’t do anything, and just stick with what we’re now doing, we’ll lose more adult males because we’ll get such high infection rates. Most of those deer will probably get killed, one way or another.” Jennelle, Samuel and their research team reached those conclusions after studying deer-harvest data from Wisconsin’s 2002 to 2013 hunting seasons, evaluating rates of CWD infection, and analyzing how alternative management plans would affect CWD and the herd. The 12 years of data showed CWD infection rates are twice as high in males than females, and support the idea that CWD is a “frequency-dependent,” not a “density-dependent” disease. That means the rate at which deer become infected is driven by CWD prevalence in the herd, not the size of the herd. Therefore, as prevalence rises, the rate and number of new infections also rise. Unlike many frequency-dependent diseases, however, CWD can probably be reduced because hunters could target CWD’s most likely carriers. “Frequency-dependent diseases are typically hard to control with generalized removal strategies,” Samuel said. “If male and female deer had the same disease prevalence, the only way to reduce prevalence would be to selectively remove more infected animals than uninfected animals. We’d have to capture deer and test them, which would be very difficult and costly. Because we can easily distinguish bucks (by their antlers) from females, we’re lucky to have a management option.” Samuel said the research reinforces his skepticism that evolution and natural selection is a viable management option. “The sooner we actually do something about CWD, the better off we’ll be,” he said. “We still don’t know how the disease spreads, but one likely way is by infected yearling bucks dispersing to new areas. The worse the disease prevalence, the higher the infection rate we’ll see in young bucks, and the more likely they’ll spread the disease.” Samuel said CWD prevalence and its potential impacts were mostly ignored shortly after the disease was discovered in Wisconsin in November 2001. However, this new research also found that focusing hunting pressure on females to reduce deer densities won’t, by itself, reduce CWD prevalence either. “Shooting more bucks to reduce prevalence is one key to managing this disease, but we still need to work on abundance to some extent,” Samuel said. “These things go hand in hand.” Further, reducing buck numbers and the overall deer population in CWD areas would make vaccination a more practical possibility, should a vaccine ever become available. “The lower the disease prevalence, the smaller the affected landscape, and the lower the deer population, the higher percentage of the herd you’d be able to treat,” Samuel said. “The better we can manage this disease now, the better we’d be able to manage it if we ever find that silver bullet. Read more: http://host.madison.com/sports/recreation/outdoors/patrick-durkin-uw-study-recommends-killing-more-bucks-to-fight/article_227dd384-743b-58da-b21c-2ab2e94f1ec7.html#ixzz2xhJ85b8q

Patrick Durkin: UW study recommends killing more bucks to fight CWD ? Print Email March 28, 2014 5:00 pm • PATRICK DURKIN For the State Journal (1) Comments Researchers at the University of Wisconsin believe CWD could be reduced and managed by focusing heavy hunting pressure on bucks, which are twice more likely than female deer to carry the fatal disease. Enlarge Photo A just-released University of Wisconsin study on chronic wasting disease recommends focusing more hunting pressure on the deer most likely to carry and spread CWD in whitetails: bucks, the males of the species. The peer-reviewed study, released March 21 and published online in PLOS ONE, was led by Christopher S. Jennelle, Ph.D., and Professor Michael D. Samuel at UW. Samuel concedes many hunters will dislike shooting more bucks to reduce CWD, but Jennelle’s study predicts the alternative is CWD increasingly infecting more deer while spreading across the landscape. Samuel said this “acceleration of the infection rate” is already underway in the CWD’s core area in southwestern Wisconsin. Further, the researchers wrote that current deer-management practices in the area will have a predictable result: “Nearly 50 percent of adult males and 25 to 30 percent of adult females are expected to become infected within another decade.” In fact, those numbers could be conservative. “If we learn disease transmission is strongly tied to the amount of prions deer shed into their environment, and if that reservoir continues to build and worsen with the disease’s acceleration, our prevalence prediction would be optimistic,” Samuel said in an interview. “In a worst case, it might look like the 80 percent prevalence we saw on the Hall Farm.” In contrast, if the Department of Natural Resources implemented a buck-focused management strategy and hunters carried it out, deer herds would soon have fewer adult bucks but lower disease rates. The study projects a buck-focused plan would soon start reducing the CWD rate and drop it into the 5 percent range in 30 to 40 years. “We’ll probably never get rid of CWD, so the goal becomes how do we get it to a manageable level, one that doesn’t impact our deer herd; and how do we try to contain it so not every area becomes infected?” Samuel said. “If we don’t, the disease will grow worse and before long have impacts on the deer population.” The research article put it this way: “The tradeoff between strategies is clear. CWD can eventually be reduced with fewer opportunities to harvest healthy bucks, or more adult bucks may be available for harvest but with higher rates of CWD infection.” But “more adult bucks” is no certainty in that second scenario. Samuel said as CWD worsens, fewer bucks will reach older age classes, and hunters who managed properties for bigger bucks will start losing more of them to CWD. “These are sobering options, but the sooner we act, the less severe the problems and choices we’ll face,” Samuel said. “If we don’t do anything, and just stick with what we’re now doing, we’ll lose more adult males because we’ll get such high infection rates. Most of those deer will probably get killed, one way or another.” Jennelle, Samuel and their research team reached those conclusions after studying deer-harvest data from Wisconsin’s 2002 to 2013 hunting seasons, evaluating rates of CWD infection, and analyzing how alternative management plans would affect CWD and the herd. The 12 years of data showed CWD infection rates are twice as high in males than females, and support the idea that CWD is a “frequency-dependent,” not a “density-dependent” disease. That means the rate at which deer become infected is driven by CWD prevalence in the herd, not the size of the herd. Therefore, as prevalence rises, the rate and number of new infections also rise. Unlike many frequency-dependent diseases, however, CWD can probably be reduced because hunters could target CWD’s most likely carriers. “Frequency-dependent diseases are typically hard to control with generalized removal strategies,” Samuel said. “If male and female deer had the same disease prevalence, the only way to reduce prevalence would be to selectively remove more infected animals than uninfected animals. We’d have to capture deer and test them, which would be very difficult and costly. Because we can easily distinguish bucks (by their antlers) from females, we’re lucky to have a management option.” Samuel said the research reinforces his skepticism that evolution and natural selection is a viable management option. “The sooner we actually do something about CWD, the better off we’ll be,” he said. “We still don’t know how the disease spreads, but one likely way is by infected yearling bucks dispersing to new areas. The worse the disease prevalence, the higher the infection rate we’ll see in young bucks, and the more likely they’ll spread the disease.” Samuel said CWD prevalence and its potential impacts were mostly ignored shortly after the disease was discovered in Wisconsin in November 2001. However, this new research also found that focusing hunting pressure on females to reduce deer densities won’t, by itself, reduce CWD prevalence either. “Shooting more bucks to reduce prevalence is one key to managing this disease, but we still need to work on abundance to some extent,” Samuel said. “These things go hand in hand.” Further, reducing buck numbers and the overall deer population in CWD areas would make vaccination a more practical possibility, should a vaccine ever become available. “The lower the disease prevalence, the smaller the affected landscape, and the lower the deer population, the higher percentage of the herd you’d be able to treat,” Samuel said. “The better we can manage this disease now, the better we’d be able to manage it if we ever find that silver bullet. Kinda shows how clueless the poster of post#39 really is i would say. This is just 1 of the many. So easy with some!

If you are as smart as you would like some to believe you should be able to find the research yourself. A person can go on one guys blog and find about any research ever done on CWD. But again you are one of the many that have no clue on the facts of CWD in your own state so we sure wont ask you about research across the country. If you think the point that CWD has been found more in males than females and more in mature animals is ridiculous you really remove any doubt of how much of a fool you are.

HaHa...Ny State Guide Service? Is there really such a thing for whitetails? I guess it would be better to ask if people really use them if there is anyone that hooks guide to their name. Ny state guide.. Thats a good one. We will hook you up on a nice yearling or your next hunt is free! I could see Turkeys or Geese.

Just another tool to make it easier to take the biggest brute in the woods for some. A few like to talk like its all about the experience but even they dream about heavy, high scoring antlers every time they step in the woods. Most times its the ones that cant do what it takes to get the job done that scream the loudest thats its all about this and that.