Four Season Whitetail's

LOL..Nah he went to Tractor Supply and got some of that high dollar acidosis free deer corn and a few bales of Alfalfa and threw them out behind the barn. With that quick fix and these 40 degree days coming..All deer will be spared a dreadful death.

This sucks. Thanks for your service. Do you still live near Drum? Have you ever entertained the idea of taking your, er..your wifes baby,your wife and yourself out of Ny state to a place where you can live the free life that you earned in the desert,for yourself and us all. One can only imagine how many packed cars are crossing the.. You are leaving Ny State, ,signs as of late?

Funny they can infect a mouse but tests are showing for over a year now that they cant infect another deer. Hmmm

Yes you should be because you are being schooled by real world today facts. Not a bunch of crap wrote up years ago by some trying to hold onto grants and their jobs.

How is CWD transmitted? Research has shown that CWD may be transmitted by various means. The disease can be passed by direct contact among animals in a herd, and through contact with or ingestion of infected bodily fluids (saliva, blood, and urine) and feces. Prions from decomposing infected carcasses and bodily waste may remain in certain soils for many years and cannot be eradicated easily by environmental factors, heat or disinfection, so transmission by environmental contamination also may be possible. Thus, high deer population densities may create a favorable environment for disease transmission. How is CWD diagnosed? Brain samples and lymph nodes are collected from various sources of deer and are examined with a microscope using a special stain to identify the CWD prion. These samples must be from freshly killed deer which makes time very critical. Testing for CWD is conducted by federally-approved laboratories: there is no quick test that you or your meat processor can perform to ensure that your animal does not have CWD Here is the words(In Bold) that guys like you like to live by. May..May be..May remain! fact is it has never been proven or it would not say may anything. Why must they test a dead brain or lymph node to find a prion that,that same animal is pissing all over the forest? Should just be able to grab a cup would'nt ya think??

This below is what was in the post at question. Do you really think this is fact all the time or do you think its just in winter? As a quick side note; try not to waste money buying high protein feed (soybean meal); It sounds like a great idea, but the deer won't use the protein. They get their protein source by eating the dead bacteria and protozoans that wash out of the top compartments of their stomach into the rest of their digestive tract. The microbes (bacteria and protozoans) get the first shot at everything you feed; so the protein would essentially be wasted (never get to the deer's main absorption mechanism

Are you serious. We( Science) have test after test of every body fluid there is in a deer, taken out of a lab lymph tested positive cwd deer and no cwd prions are found in any of their fluids. If you believe a cwd positive deer can sit there and lick,piss or crap on another deer and give that deer cwd then why cant that same positive deer body fluid be tested? Show me one case where it has been shown,proven, tested body fluid where a cwd prion has been found. Why and how do you think we are doing these live tests. We have cwd positive animals to work with. If you believe cwd can passed around by deer via body fluids then why i ask can they not find any prions in the fluids? Back to your books. You are so behind as far as where we are in cwd testing you make yourself look like a fool.

I was talking more about the theory that a deer will not retain protein as was said in a few posts back. One tends to learn alot from something after living with them 24/7 365 days a year for over 15 years. Although they throw a curve ball at times.

Geno, I wont argue with any of your thought because thats you right and wont turn this post into cwd but you see where the deer came from at the start. The wild. I will say, (Reguardless of what i do for a living) if anyone reading these words thinks for one second that the DEC will say and do WHATEVER it takes to keep the thousands of dollars rolling into their coffers from Ny hunting tag sales then you are fools. The safe act, DEC style. High fence is taking so many hunters out of the states pockets every year. They see farming as the places that keep these high fences in business. CWD is nothing but a tool used for money and politics and trust me when i say here in the very near future when these live tests( That are already working in science) comes to the farmers near you , you will see a 100% turnaround on their thought and use of CWD as a tool to fulfill their agenda! Its funny that science live animal testing that is being paid for by the deer farms and ranches across the country are starting to show that it can be done yet your states say that cwd can be spread by body fluids yet cant be found by testing those same positive deer fluids? Its all about the money but we are footing the bill on this one to prove one thing and when that happens you will see many more people making a great living behind fence.

Sam, There is a big difference between those with book smarts about farms and animals and those with everyday real world life smarts about farms and animals that deal with them everyday. As i'm sure you know Really, 3800 head. Thats huge.

More and more snow birds will be heading south and forgetting their way back home. Only have to jump over a couple 2 or 3 states and life,love and hunting is good.

Agreed sick or injured. Have no clue what the op was even supposed to show, other than a deer in a bad way.

Do you think this protein theory would only be true in the winter? These words below spells out the whole winter theory thing. (Quote) Feeding deer hay or corn can kill them, because they cannot always digest it. Deer digestion involves protozoa and bacteria that help break down food. Different micro-organisms help digest different types of vegetation. If a deer has been feeding on aspen or willows, it has built up the micro-organisms that digest only this kind of vegetation. If this same deer suddenly fills its stomach with corn or hay, it may not have enough of the corn- and hay-digesting micro-organisms in its stomach to digest the food. A deer can starve to death with a full stomach If a deer has been feeding on aspen or willows!!!!!! What about a deer that has been eating corn,soybeans, alfalfa and such all fall and most of the winter? Hence the stomach bacteria has not changed over to 100% woody foods>

Early fall( Hard Horn) Summer and fall foods all over it would not be eating much out of that bird feeder.(Bird Bath right behind it)....Could be CWD but depending on what state that pics in..99%= EHD

As we have all heard, CWD was found in Oneida County, New York. CWD was confirmed on 2 different farms, the 1st farm owned by John Palmer and the 2nd by Martin Proper. The 1st positive was a 6-year-old doe that was harvested for a fireman's benefit dinner. In talking to John, he said, "I picked out the fattest, healthiest looking doe I had." Most people have been led to believe that CWD-positive deer exhibit signs of poor health, but the deer farming industry has found this to be untrue. The vast majority of those animals that have tested positive have shown little, if any signs of sickness. The herd was depopulated only days after the 1st positive was found. On a Tuesday morning, sharpshooters came in and after 6 hours had put down the remaining 18 deer. Samples were collected and sent in for analysis. Friday the results were back; 3 more positives were found for CWD. These 3 deer all came from New York State's Rehabilitation Program. John Palmer acquired these deer from New York's wild population through conservation officers. John Palmer's herd started when he purchased a few deer from Ohio in 1994. Later, he added other deer from a New York source. 7 years ago John started rehabilitating fawns. John said he took in 1-14 fawns per year from all over New York. John had the responsibility of determining whether the fawn could be released back into the wild or had to stay forever in a pen in his privately owned herd. He also relocated some of these fawns to other producers. This is how Martin Proper came into the picture. Martin Proper is the owner of the 2nd positive herd. The animal that tested positive for CWD on his farm was a 4- or 5-year-old buck that died from pneumonia, another rehabilitated wild deer from New York. Martin received 2 deer from John Palmer's herd; one doe that was blind and one doe born with only 3 feet. They had bred and had produced some offspring. The aforementioned buck killed one of these does during last year's rut, and was not tested because it happened before their CWD Program was up and running. The rest of Martin's herd was put down and samples analyzed. No other positives were found. There were 5 positives found in these 2 herds; 4 were deer taken from the wild [as rehabilitated fawns]. It is unclear to John where the very first doe originated, but he felt it could have originated from the wild as well. Taking deer from the wild is not condoned by the cervid industry and is strongly discouraged; nonetheless, it did happen with the deer in this situation. A statement released by the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) on 5 Apr 2005 announced plans to conduct intensive monitoring of the wild deer population surrounding both farms to determine whether CWD has spread to the wild herds. The NYS DEC has already directed blame towards the farmed deer industry for bringing CWD into New York, even though there is a clear history of the DEC taking deer out of the wild and placing them into John Palmer's herd for rehabilitation. The question should be, "Where did the wild deer of New York get CWD?" Adding to the questions, without any answers, John is a taxidermist and has taken work from all over North America. He mentioned receiving work from the following states and Canadian province: Saskatchewan, Montana, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Colorado and Wyoming. When looking at where CWD has been found in the wild, many of these locations appear on that list. In a study released by Beth Williams and Mike Miller, they noted that [a deer] was just as likely to contract CWD from a live infected deer as it was to be housed in a pen with a dead positive carcass. Did one or more of the many dead animals brought into John's taxidermy studio have CWD? John stated that he kept the rehabilitation fawns in the same garage where he did much of his taxidermy work. It was common practice for John to sweep up his shop and deposit the salt and chemicals along the deer fence as a weed retardant. The industry has always said that movement of CWD-positive carcasses would move CWD much faster and farther than moving live animals. Is the New York situation just that? Is there a need to regulate movement of CWD-positive carcasses? There are many points that come to the forefront from the situation in New York: * The detection of CWD in New York clearly shows that the monitoring system is working. These programs are set up to identify herds at risk. * This event highlights the need for surveillance. Without the state monitoring/surveillance programs, these positive deer would not be detected. The more herds on these programs, the lower the risk. * In the face of CWD, the best defense is herd monitoring/surveillance. What better way to get participation than to recognize those who have already participated in these programs and allow for continued movement for their herds that have met the needed criteria? The event in New York has _in no way_ compromised the health status of any herd that has been enrolled in a CWD monitoring/surveillance program. * CWD conjures up many questions that remain unanswered. There is a continued need for the government agencies involved and the industry to work together to resolve some of those questions. * As previously seen, in discoveries of CWD, including this New York case, all too often the producer is portrayed as a villain. There is no one who wants this "disease" to be found on their property. When CWD is found, the industry expects the producers to be treated fairly and with respect. The finger-pointing and intimidation tactics are _not_ needed to resolve the issues involved with CWD and private ownership of deer in the United States. Deer farmers are fathers, mothers, sons, and daughters. They have served this country in the armed forces. Deer farmers come from all walks of life; doctors, lawyers, carpenters, plumbers, and housekeepers. The one thing they all have in common is the passion they have for their deer. Let us work together to resolve the issues that CWD brings to the forefront across this great country of ours. Gary Nelson, President NADeFA [email protected] [it has been reported in other newspaper sources that the owner of index herd in NY not only put the salt and other products from cleaning up his taxidermy work along his fence lines -- thus exposing his captive herd -- but also that the fawns in the taxidermy garage area may have licked, mouthed, or chewed on entrails from some deer. It is stated in this NADeFA release that the owner of the index herd was to decide whether the rehabilitated deer could return to the wild or were not capable of survival on their own, presumably because of serious injury, such as 3 legs, or imprinting on people. However, he was instructed to turn some loose in the wild. If the fawn or fawns in question consumed -- or otherwise contacted -- infected tissues in the taxidermy shop and then were released to the wild, then it could be speculated that NYS DEC would likely find exposed wild animals. If the fawn was originally wild, exposed through taxidermy work on other wild animals, and then released back to the wild, it would be difficult to say that captive animals brought disease to wild animals. It would be more acceptable to say the wild animals have introduced this disease to captive animals.

Why do you ask? Do you even have a clue as to where that law stands. Do you know what happened in the last court case. Yeah thats powerful enough. Facts my friend!!!

No need. Facts and truths are much more powerful.

No disrespect here so please dont take it that way but posts just like yours is where the whole problem lies. You make a post about deer farms being the cause of cwd and you do not even know the real published truth as to the whats,where and whens of the cases in your own state. A little more research and you will find your answer. Ohio is and has always been a cwd free state. The case this year in Pa is the 3rd case of cwd in the wild in that state and the case this year was right outside the positive state of Maryland...A deer farm free state! If you think for a second that cwd is just about politics and money your mistaken i believe. A cwd live test is on the horizon and then the truths will be out. Now back to our op.

Yeah you are about to see states start doing the right thing and if you are dumb/blind enough not to see that you may need to go to a different kind of class. You do what you think is right and you will be fine. Ethic's..lol I love it.

Ya buddy.All good here. I have alot of facts for ya. I now even have the same vet that works for the state that worked on those cases and in fact did the necropsies on those CWD cases. Many,Many facts that our state and some's beloved DEC oh so much want to keep under wrap's.

Ya Ok....Its all about ethics. What a joke.

Yes and lets not forget about the fact that the cases in Oneida County came from not a deer farmer but from a taxidermist that had deer on his place to look at for is work and the fact that he brought in and worked on deer heads that were shot it positive cwd states and counties. So a little deeper research will show you that they in fact believe that it was hunter killed deer that brought in cwd. Lest we also not forget that this guy was a Ny State rehaber that the DEC made it a habit of bringing deer in to be rehabed and released back into the wild. I believe we have been through this before and it seems that the questions of, How do states like Ill that have had deer farms forever and have had 100's of cases of CWD in the wild but has yet to ever have one case behind wire???? Or maybe lets talk about sates like Maryland, Virginia and many more that have had cwd cases for years on end in the wild yet have never been able to have deer farms ever in those states?? Hmmmm...Good question's huh!

So let's see..We have a bunch of deer standing in a woodlot dropping dead because there is no food. Fact is, Those deer will die with no food. You throw them some alfalfa bales and some of those deer will survive,if not all of them. I have no clue where you took your deer class but i will tell you for a fact that in the middle of winter the bacteria in a deer's gut will break down the alfalfa stems and turn that in life sustaining food. No different than an oak,spruce or anything else they eat in winter. The only place that corn will kill a deer is in the middle of the mountains where a deer has never ate corn before and thats all it ate or if you stuck a deer somewhere and the only food it had to eat was straight corn. You may want to stop reading and live in the real world! You think what you want and those oh so many of us that know will continue to watch those deer lay in their beds chewing their cuds as they watch their next snack of corn and alfalfa get laid out on the snow in front of them!! Cant be CWD, Your DEC tests for that remember. Funny if you do some research you will see where states of Minn and Wisc are putting emergency deer feeding programs in place as we speak. So by your way of thinking, these states biologist's are not only letting but in some cases the states are paying for these people and hunters that care about the deer, KILL the deer by allowing these deer to be fed? Right.....

Mean's nothing!!

We dont have to worry to much about our overworked DEC staff worrying to much about guy that threw some bales of hay he no longer needs out behind a barn. Try to get them to do something that really matters. No time for that.