virgil

How liberal of you. Every single person that has ever disagreed with anyone in here has at least contributed to this forum by sharing experiences, advice, etc. My experience tells me that the right wing position is not always the right position on all issues. My advice is to not always be so narrow-minded; try considering the fact that there are other Americans,(hunters and non-hunters), who have opinions that are different from your own, but equally valid. Another piece of advice- try not getting so upset when someone disagrees with you; if you're so freaked out by opposing views, stay on the propaganda sites that aren't open forums. I'm sure that your last line was another attempt at a personal dig. No, I wasn't at work over the weeekend; just checking my email.

Elmer, you spent your time analyzing over 80 of my posts and you're accusing me of being an 'internet troll'? That's funny. Go back to sleep.

Youve never hear the expression regarding throwing stones and glass houses? [img alt=:]http://huntingny.com/forums/Smileys/akyhne/rolleyes.gif[/img] The only axe I have to grind with you is because you dont do much more than talk down to people and throw out insults here in the political forum. You are just another internet troll. WNY, you are funny. Your first post on this thread was another of your blanket defenses for VJP, kindly requesting that everyone refrain from personal attacks. My post stating that the personal attacks come from both directions seems to have set you off. And, yes, I am familiar with the expression you used- I responded the way I did because I thought it was funny that it would be used in such a hypocritical way. If you and some of the others are so upset that anyone might dare not agree with everyting you write, or does not follow the NRA bylaws like they are the bible, then maybe you should rename this forum. Maybe you should give it a name that more clearly states what you're hoping to accomplish with this forum- some kind of title that makes it clear that only certain opinions will be tolerated on the forum. As for your other accusations- I honestly have never heard the term 'internet troll', so I can't address that one. I don't think that I talk down to anyone. I think you guys are just easily riled up by anyone who doesn't agree with you.

Yep, you are an expert at it. You seem to be good at throwing the first stone Mr Glass House. If you care to argue the merit of my statement, feel free to shoot me a PM, Id be happy to discuss it with you. If by calling me Mr. Glass House, you mean that i have nothing to hide, i'd take that as a compliment. Otherwise, I haven't found much merit in anything you post. But, you seem to have an ax to grind with me. So, whatever you'd like to say, say it on the open forum.

The personal shots come from both directions.

Culver, I'm about as interested in your opinions of me as I am in your opinion on anything else. But, it is funny to see you trying to come up with intelligent responses- don't hurt yourself. As far as you being a conservative redneck, I think we all had figured that out for ourselves.

So any false statement is based in racism? No, any intentionally false statement regarding a person's origin, specifically to highlight his ancestry- when no other similar reference or accusation has ever been made about a person of a lighter shade, is racist. You might find yourself to be clever. You're not.

I glad to see you are not denying the word "socialist" is false. My issue was never with the word 'socialist'- that's a matter of opinion and perception. The other is not, it's racist. Don't get me wrong, I think calling him socialist is silly also. But, I know it's important for you guys to have these kinds of words to throw around to scare up support.

I never said it was true, just that it was not racist. So, then what would be the motivation for making such a statement?

WNY, you fail to recognize that the statement that you are defending happens to be patently false. The man was born in Hawaii, not Kenya. Therefore, saying that he's from Kenya is false. Are you so dense that you can't see that? Or, do you purposely ignore this fact so that you can continue to feel justified in repeating such nonsense?

There has never been any controversy over Cumo's citizenship. A more appropriate comparison would be to call Arnold a Austrian socialist....beacuse of his origin of birth. the primary difference being that Arnold was born in Austria and Obama was born in Hawaii. The citizenship question was always a bogus attempt to discredit him; plus the fact that it's been entirely debunked and you guys still won't let it go.

It was tounge in cheek, Virgil. I think you were a little premature pulling out the race card on this topic. I was trying to illustrate how absurd you were being. There was no difference between the Kenyan comment of inserting any other nation in there. The jab was at the question of his nationality NOT his race. I think that that's a convenient defense- crying foul when someone uses 'the race card' to point out blatantly racist statements. But, I don't recall any other political candidate being referred to in a similar way. I've never heard Andrew Cuomo referred to as 'the Italian'. As far as premature, not sure what you mean- the word was used in the opening line introducing this thread topic.

Culver, you occasionally write thoughtful and interesting posts. On this one, you're coming off as a schmuck.

My original response the the author who started this thread was in response to his use of the word 'Kenyan' in his description of the President. Maybe he intended to use the word 'keynsian' instead of Kenyan- not sure. At this point, I'm wondering if you guys are defending his use of 'Kenyan', thinking that it's the same at 'Keynsian'. Or, are you defending the term 'Kenyan'. Either way, at least you all seem to have finally given up on trying to convince each other that he's Muslim.

Steve, I'm wondering the same thing. Maybe part of the problem is that the guys that are throwing around these terms don't know the difference either.

You guys are both idiots. And just because two idiots agree with one another doesn't make them any less idiotic. Denying that the term 'Kenyan socialist' is racist is ridiculous.

Steve, i used to have that exact same bow. I gave it away a few years ago. I killed a few deer with it. Boy, was it noisy.

Mike Huckabee said Barack Obama grew up in Kenya http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings%2Ftom-false.gif[/img] Share this story: Mike Huckabee, a potential Republican candidate for president, mused on President Barack Obama’s upbringing when asked about it on a radio talk show on Monday. The host, Steve Malzberg, complained that people don’t know enough about Obama’s background and brought up Obama’s birth certificate. "Don't you think we deserve to know more about this man?" Malzberg asked Huckabee. We should note that back in 2008, Obama’s presidential campaign produced a certificate of live birth, showing that Obama was born in Honolulu. Hawaiian public officials said the certificate was accurate. (Read our many fact-checks on Obama’s birth certificate.) Huckabee answered Malzberg with this statement: "I would love to know more. What I know is troubling enough. And one thing that I do know is his having grown up in Kenya, his view of the Brits, for example, very different than the average American. When he gave the bust back to the Brits, the bust of Winston Churchill, a great insult to the British. But then if you think about it, his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau Revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather." Huckabee here seems to be repeating claims made in book by conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza, The Roots of Obama’s Rage, that Obama is a committed anti-colonialist. An adaptation of D’Souza’s book ran in Forbes magazine back in September. The book has received mixed reactions in conservative circles, with both fans and detractors. Obama did not grow up in Kenya and had almost no contact with his father growing up; he never met his grandfather. He grew up in Indonesia and Hawaii; numerous eye-witness reports have confirmed this. Classmates and teachers in Jakarta, Indonesia, and in Honolulu, Hawaii, have shared their recollections of Obama with independent reporters several times. And in fact, Huckabee corrected his statement shortly thereafter. "On Monday, while on Steve Malzberg's radio show on New York's WOR Radio, I was asked about the President Obama's birth certificate issue. In my answer, I simply misspoke when I alluded to President Obama growing up in 'Kenya' and meant to say Indonesia," said Huckabee in a statement on his website. Huckabee’s initial comments were widely reported, though, because polls show he is a leading contender for the Republican nomination for president in 2012. Huckabee has not declared his candidacy and has said he’s still thinking it over. It’s worth pointing out that Huckabee has said several times recently that he does not think Republicans are well-served by questioning Obama’s citizenship. On the Thursday before his radio appearance, Huckabee said at the National Press Club, "I find it unnecessary, useless and frankly a bit unnecessary to get into all sorts of debates over President Obama's religion or the authenticity of his birth. I know for some people that it is an obsession. It is not with me." He said if Obama had not been born in the United States that it would have come out in the primary campaign and that Obama is a Christian. Huckabee then praised Obama as a good role model for fathers: "I have no disagreement with President Obama as a human being. In fact, I'll go so far to say one of the things I respect very much is the role model that he has served as a husband and a father. And I think he has been an exemplary husband to his wife and an extraordinary father to his daughters. Frankly, America needs a good role model like that." Huckabee emphasized that he disagreed with Obama’s policies. "But this is not an attack on President Obama, the person, even though you will see sharp elbows at the policies that he has put forth, specifically, many of the economic policies," Huckabee said. Huckabee did say in a radio interview that Obama grew up in Kenya and then spoke at length about the implications of that, suggesting that his views of the British were shaped by a father whom he only met once and a grandfather he never met. But we should note that Huckabee quickly corrected the record and has notably rejected claims about Obama’s birth place that have been debunked repeatedly. We correct his statement on Kenya for the record here, since his comments have been widely reported, and rate it False.

Nope, I read that as describing a socialist from Kenya. Whats racist about that? You're an idiot.

Where the hell did he even remotely mention ANYTHING to do with race? Look at the original posting on this thread, where he uses the term 'Kenyan socialist'. Do you not see that as racist?

Are there really clowns out there that buy this stuff? Really, this is all just nonsense intended to discredit the current administration. Do you even bother to look into this stuff? Or, do you just post it to further these myths? Obama at Columbia University February 16, 2010Corrected: March 16, 2010 Updated: February 23, 2010 Q: Is it true that nobody remembers Obama attending Columbia University? A: At least one of his classmates remembers him well, and the university proudly claims Obama. FULL QUESTION Can you check this out and see if it is true? Thank you! <blockquote> I have always wondered why NO ONE ever came forward from Obama’s past saying they knew him, attended school with him, was his friend, etc. NO ONE, not one person has ever come forward from his past. VERY VERY STRANGE. This should really be a cause for great concern. ⬐ Click to expand/collapse the full text ⬏ To those who voted for him, YOU HAVE ELECTED THE BIGGEST UNQUALIFIED FRAUD that America has ever known! This is very interesting stuff. Sort of adds credence to the idea of The Manchurian Candidate thing having happened here! Stephanopoulos of ABC news said the same thing during the 08′ campaign. He too was a classmate of BO’s at Columbia class of 1984. He said he never had one class with him. Was he there? While he is such a great orator, why doesn’t anyone in Obama’s collegeclass remember him? Maybe he never attended class! Maybe he never attended Columbia ? He won’t allow Colombia to release his records either. Suspicious isn’t it??? NOBODY REMEMBERS OBAMA AT COLUMBIA !!!!!!! Looking for evidence of Obama’s past, Fox News contacted 400 Columbia University students from the period when Obama claims to have been there, but none remembered him. Wayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, "I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia . Ever! Nobody recalls him. I’m not exaggerating, I’m not kidding. Root adds that he was also, like Obama, "Class of ‘83 political science, pre-law" and says, "You don’t get more exact or closer than that. Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him. At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! And five years ago, nobody even knew who he was. The guy who writes the class notes, who’s kind of the, as we say in New York , the macha who knows everybody, has yet to find a person, a human who ever met him. Is that not strange? It’s very strange. "Obama’s photograph does not appear in the school’s yearbook and Obama consistently declines requests to talk about his years at Columbia , provide schoolrecords, or provide the name of any former classmates or friends while at Columbia . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Allyn_Root#column-one NOTE: Root graduated as Valedictorian from his high school, Thornton-Donovan School, then graduated from Columbia University in 1983 as a PoliticalScience major (in the same class as President Barack Obama WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN IN). Can it be that BHO is a complete fraud?? More intrigue concerning "The Man who wasn’t there”. </blockquote> FULL ANSWER We’re not sure why, but this false claim has been forwarded widely in recent days, judging by the number of queries we’ve received. Barack Obama was a transfer student from California’s Occidental College when he came to Columbia University in 1981 as a 20-year-old junior. More than 20,000 students currently attend Columbia. The enrollment in the early ’80s might have been lower, but not everybody would have met or remembered Obama. And it’s absolutely untrue that "not one person has ever come forward" from his years there, or that he is "the man who wasn’t there." Columbia University proudly claims Obama as a 1983 graduate. The university magazine Columbia College Today profiled him as far back as 2005, after he was elected to the U.S. Senate. Last year, the New York Times wrote about Phil Boerner, who roomed with the future president during his first year at Columbia. The article included excerpts from the Columbia student directory, showing Obama living during his junior year at 142 West 109th Street near Columbia’s campus in New York City, and during his senior year at 339 East 94th Street. Boerner recalled that Obama sometimes wrapped himself in a sleeping bag to keep warm in the chilly apartment they shared, and that some nights he would cook chicken curry for dinner. In an article published in Columbia College Today, Boerner also wrote: <blockquote> Boerner: I remember often eating breakfast with Barack at Tom’s Restaurant on Broadway. Occasionally we went to The West End for beers. We enjoyed exploring museums such as the Guggenheim, the Met and the American Museum of Natural History, and browsing in bookstores such as the Strand and the Barnes & Noble opposite Columbia. We both liked taking long walks down Broadway on a Sunday afternoon, and listening to the silence of Central Park after a big snow. I also remember jogging the loop around Central Park with Barack.</blockquote> Obama even published an article in a school magazine called the Sundial. A reporter for the conservative Human Events magazine recently called it "a wholesale endorsement of all sorts of leftist claptrap fashionable at the time." The full article is available on the Web site of Politico.com. It was published in the issue dated March 10, 1983. The e-mail incorrectly claims that ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos was a classmate of Obama. They were both students at Columbia for about one academic year, but Stephanopoulos was a year ahead. Obama received his degree in 1983, while Stephanopoulos received his a year earlier, according to a university press release. Neither of them were "class of 1984," as the message incorrectly claims. The message recycles — and exaggerates to the point of falsification — some attacks that were raised in the heat of the 2008 presidential campaign. The claim that Fox News could not find any classmates who remembered Obama, for example, was published in a Sept. 11, 2008, Wall Street Journal editorial, which attacked then-candidate Obama for not releasing more information about his two years at the university. The message also makes much of Wayne Allyn Root’s statement in an interview that he didn’t know anybody who remembered Obama at Columbia. That appeared Sept. 5, 2008, in Reason magazine. What the message fails to mention is that Root was at the time a candidate for vice president on the Libertarian ticket. Root was stating that "[a] vote for Obama is four years of Karl Marx," but even Root stopped short of claiming that Obama was not actually a student at Columbia. –Brooks Jackson Update, Feb. 23: After we published this item, we received an e-mail from a woman who says she knew Obama when he was at Columbia. You can read her recollection of playing soccer with Obama on campus in our FactCheck Mailbag. Correction, March 16: We originally used a quote from Phil Boerner, Obama’s roommate at Columbia, that referred to their time together at Occidental College. We have changed that quote to another of Boerner’s recollections about their time at Columbia.

Rocket science - VJ is implying that the pres. was born in Kenya, and VJ was born here. "He ain't prejudice, he's just...made in America" Implying something that you know not to be true, especially in this context, is shameful, not patriotic.

Considering I can quickly and easily provide proof of my birthplace and am not spending millions of taxpayer dollars to hide my past history and educational background, I think I can prove that I am American with a lot less doubt than Obama can. This non-sensical non-issue has long since been put to rest- time to get over it and invent something new. You never answered my question. Almost none of us can trace our ancestors to this country. How do you justify referring to the President as 'the Kenyan' while considering yourself American?

So are Blacks / Negroes wanting to be referred to as "Afro-American" being racist also http://huntingny.com/forums/Smileys/akyhne/huh.gif[/img] What??? I'm dying to see where you're going with this.

Hide behind your spin all you want. It is what it is, and it's obvious.