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Great! Make a deal with you...... I'll help get crossbows in for those who need them. You help me keep them out for those who do not.

I am sure you are for them....if they would help you take a deer.

Would you? No.

I don't consider crossbows to be fair chase during bow season, either. As for records....B&C would accept a crossbow kill, and SCI would, too. Not P&Y....they do not consider a crossbow to be a bow.

They even makes one that draws itself with CO2 in the push of a button.

So now you exactly understand my position. I do not need to roll over and play dead to crossbow intrusion....I will oppose it. If it ever passes....so be it. I won't use one, and I will never consider a crossbow toter to be a bowhunter.

Keep focusing on the most minute details and continue missing the point.....k?

Of course it is. Just like if I said you were obnoxious, abrasive, or idiotic. Congrats....you win the narrow minded award for the day. It means drawing in the presence of game....you know that, you totally understand the difference, yet you played the obtuse card anyway. Pretending there is no differences between bows and crossbows don't make them disappear, you know. :

So if the majority wanted baiting legalized...you OK with that? How about poison pods? Or jacklighting? That's hardly a fair comparison... apples and oranges... crossbow is a legitimate means of fair chase the others are not. Baiting is fair chase by P&Y and B&C definition. Poison Pods are legal in MS. Hogs are hunted under spotlights. The fact is that all are illegal in NY, just as crossbows are illegal in bow season. Many would be opposed to these things ..... based on principle, not some hidden, secret motive, as is repeatedly suggested by propojnents.

So if the majority wanted baiting legalized...you OK with that? How about poison pods? Or jacklighting?

We do it with guns...and twigs deflect bullets, too.

It annoys me that pro crossbow people feel that they can assign a motive to me, or others opposed to crossbows in gun season. Inferring that those opposed to crossbows are selfish is still name calling. Your last sentence sums it up best. You believe that the equipment is similiar enough to be considered in the same season. I don't, and NYB doesn't, and lots of others do not share that belief. We feel it is different enough that it should not be included. The fact that it does not need to be drawn is huge, here.....it is not a bow if you don't have to draw it. And, please.....no one needs to be so obtuse as to suggest a crossbow needs to be drawn too, here. We all know what I am talking about.

Sitsntrees likes to pick on women. > Its what I expect from crossbow lovers.

I never said I thought it wasn't true.. just seems like if you are having the same trouble in 2 separate places.. your home and your camp..miles apart from one another... I might be able to offer one common denominator in the equation Yea...its her fault people trespass. Good call, Joe. :

And now we are back to the definition of a bow. :

Well....gun season is what you get...for 2011 and 2012. Suck it. And be grateful you have anything.

I will deviate from my associates here. I do not think legalizing crossbows will increase the percentage of slobs out there, nor do I feel like crossbow hunters will shoot every hunter that moves. There is no direct threat from crossbows. Crossbows are legitimate deer hunting tools, and they should have a place in the woods. But....crossbows are not bows. They are easier to learn than bows, and easier to use than bows. They have a ballistic advantage over the typical bowhunting rig, and they are more accurate in the hands of average hunters than compounds. Which means their place in the woods should not coincide with bows. Crossbow hunters looking for the reward of additional challenge should appreciate their new gun season. Crossbow hunters looking for their proper place should be looking for their own season. Crossbow pushers, who divorce themselves from the ballistic and functional advantages of the crossbow, keep trying to force intrusion into bow season. But crossbow does not equal bow.

A) That is a legal weapon. The crossbow is ILLEGAL in bow season and would require new laws to become legal. A crossbow is LESS challenging, not more challenging.

Why do you need more weapons to kill deer with? Try practicing with the ones already legal...maybe even you can kill a deer.

Nonsense. Why, exactly, would you state that I am an "anti hunter?" I am totally supportive of legal hunting.

Just pointing out a common dirty tactic for you crossbow pushers. Claim that opposition is "divisive," then falsely claim opponents are "anti-hunters".....which is of course, divisive.

What does he spew? I'll say this about the TAC-15.....it makes a great poster child for those opposed to crossbows. Ballistically advantaged, manufacturer reports of 1" groups at 100 yards, and it uses an actual rifle platform as its base. You couldn't dream up a better target if you tried....LOL.

I agree that NYB would love to get there hands on data like that. Your insinuation that anyone opposed to crossbows in bowseason is "anti-hunting" is very offensive. I assume there are somethings that cross your line, violate your sense of right and wrong....rifles in gun season? Road hunting? Spot lighting? Any logic that leads you to the conclusion that crossbow opponents are "anti-hunting" most certainly doubles back upon you at some point. (That's called "hypocrisy," BTW.)

I looked into that a long time ago. Unless one of them is falsifying their IP address, they are two different people. Gosh....you mean there might be more than one NY hunter opposed to crossbows? :

While I do not agree with the idea that crossbows would cause more accidents, I would argue with your contention that there is "plenty of data." Particularly in states "that recently included crossbows." There are FAR more bowhunters than crossbow hunters in PA, for example. You would need to look at an incident/number of bow hunters vs incident/number of crossbow hunters to draw any kind of meaningful conclusion of accident rates. No one is keeping those statistics. The idea that a crossbow is inherently more dangerous than a bow should be apparent to everyone, however. Locked and loaded is always more inherently unsafe than unloaded.