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Some folks can't handle the truth, so that leaves them with nothing to come back with but odd-ball replies, including admitting their own selfishness. The specific truth that they can not handle here is, that this poll shows that the large majority supports full inclusion, just like the other poll did two years ago. I am going to keep rubbing that in as long as I am able or until full inclusion happens and there is not a thing you can do about it.

Can you see why some may think that is selfish of you ? Do you think it is good to be selfish ? Were you raised in a Christian home ? There is some good that can result from more hunters. I think it is important to retain old hunters and to recruit new ones. Did you not see that most of the folks who are using crossbows in NY were actually bowhunters ? That means that the amount of "stink" in your area may not change that much after full inclusion. The best thing that I have experienced myself, since changing to a crossbow, is a lot less wounded deer. Isn't that a good thing ? Have you ever cut your hands on a broadhead in a deer, or lost some meat, from a poor shot from another hunter ? It is much easier to hit the intended spot on a deer from a rest using a telescopic sight, especially when it was not put into a state of high-alert by catching a glimpse of a draw. You want less hunters in the woods and I get that, it is basic human nature. That does not make it right. It is always best, in the long run, to put others ahead of yourself. Someday you will have to answer for what you have done here on Earth.

I believe those extra belly-buttons were teats.

Those are some pretty good questions so I will take my best stab at answers as it relates to full inclusion of crossbow. First, guns make deer to go nocturnal faster, and over a much wider area than bows & crossbows do. That is because they are a lot louder and deer have pretty good hearing. They use that sense to keep themselves alive, probably to a greater degree than all their other senses except smell. That means when they hear a shot the next town over, they will be less likely to come out in the daylight and feed. I have witnessed this myself, when the neighbors start target practicing in the late afternoons, when I have been out bowhunting. The deer have stopped feeding and hightailed it into the brush, at the first shot over half a mile away. Shooting by itself does not always spook them, as I have also seen them right on the trap or rifle range in the summer. One time a buck actually was sniffing my gun barrel as I was downrange checking targets. That sight gave me some chills as I hoped he did not knock it off the sandbags while it was pointed in my direction. Shooting, combined with some human scent where and when it should not be will send them for cover every time. Full inclusion of the crossbow would allow it to be deployed at the start of the season, when most are still feeding in the daylight, making them easier to kill. Under the current regs of 3 days (10 if you include the early ML week) in the NZ and 14 days in the SZ, by the time the crossbow is legal, the deer have already been subjected to many weeks of archery pressure. Even though that is silent, it still spreads human scent, which makes them go nocturnal. Most hunters know that the sense of smell is the one that deer rely on the most for survival. More tags does not allow for the killing of nocturnal deer or deer on property that is closed to hunting. I believe the statistics show that about 75 % of the deer are killed on the first weekend of gun season so it really does not matter much how long the season is. I never claimed to want to promote "traditional archery", however I have no problems with others doing it. There are plenty enough deer in this state for all. Personally, about the only thing I dislike about hunting is when a deer is wounded and not recovered. That means I will use technology to minimize the chances of that happening. Some may call it luck (I know it is not) but that has not happened to me in the last 14 seasons. The crossbow has played a big part of that. I was never able to approach the 100 % success ratio with a vertical bow that I have maintained over 4 seasons with a crossbow. I know there are some folks who are into traditional archery for the "challenge". Those are the natural-born "fighters". You can't help the way you were born. I am thankful to be a natural born killer. Us killers seek to remove all the challenge we can to get the job done. We don't like to "play games". By the same token, you won't often catch me practicing "catch-and release" when I go fishing. That is another good test to see how you were born. I see "catch and release" as nothing but the senseless maiming of a fine food source. Even though I personally do not agree with theory of traditional archery (more challenge), I fully respect the right of others to continue to do it, and I would never vote to take that right away from them. As far as traditional archery going away, it largely has already with compounds, releases, 75 % let-off, etc. New "fighters" are born every day though, and as long as we keep those options open for them, I see no reason why it can't continue for many more years.

Sounds like pure nonsense to me. Produce such a poll just like Rob produced this one right here or admit you got nothing. Does 70 = 0 ? If not then we have something while you still have nothing. Maybe if you go to the NYB site you can find numbers in your favor.

Look at previous post

Because this poll is now over 2:1 in favor of full inclusion, it shows the increasing level of support with membership, when compared to the only other poll, which disappeared over a year ago. That poll was right about at 2:1 in favor of full inclusion when it went away. There have been lots of threads and discussions on it here but only one other poll. Prove it to us if you think otherwise, or just admit you got nothing.

You see that argument used all the time from the anti-full inclusion minority. What they missing is that the crossbow is silent, just like a bow, while a ML is not. If allowed at the start of archery season, I believe it would give hunters and the DEC the tool they need to get deer numbers under control in the zones where they have struggled. They have been giving out lots of DMP's in these areas, but those do not do much good after the deer go nocturnal. They do that now after detecting a little early archery pressure. It is a shame that the automobile has been the primary means of control in many of these DMU's. At least it keeps the collision shops and insurance agents busy. I have great respect for bowhunters who maintain effectiveness with a vertical bow into their twilight years, but do not oppose other's usage of the crossbow. That demonstrates great selflessness, which is always a good thing. Those who are struggling so hard to keep the crossbow out could learn a lot from these individuals. Selfish elitism is always a bad thing. It is real good to see a few of them dropping their NYB memberships anyhow.

She was not as alert as they usually are when it is warmer out, and barely even looked up when I cracked the frost opening the window about 40 yards away. She probably would have been a good one to try in the crockpot, because the frost would keep the bugs off of it at least. It was 30 degrees out there today and I don't ever recall killing another when it was below freezing I think that is what they used for the Frenchyburgers.

It looks like spring will be here in two more weeks. Wolcottsburg Wilma was a little late this year.

I would be interested in a Peru Guinea pig hunt. They say they are very common down there and I hear they are quite tasty. I don't particularly care for pork, and have zero interest in a wild boar hunt, but I bet the Guinea pigs would taste more like squirrel, which I really do like (much better than rabbit). I also like the idea of the smaller targets for the greater challenge. I suppose a .17 caliber pellet rifle would work well, but I would probably go with a crossbow and field tips. I will have to look into it after retirement. I am salivating a little right now looking at my daughter's pet one next to me in a cage as I type.

It looks like the yeahs are starting to run away with it now, pretty soon it will be 3:1 in favor of full inclusion if this keeps up. I always knew we had a pretty good membership here overall.

Set up a get together when it opens and I will bring up the broken piece of carbon bolt from my first crossbow kill (4) years ago. Then maybe sodfather will let me off the hook in his investigation.

The key is having what it takes to get it done on ANY day, regardless of weather conditions. Good hearing plays a big part in that. Even on windy or rainy days, your eyes won't show you a deer that approaches from behind. Of those I killed, I have heard about (6 ) first for every (4) that I have seen first, but I am mostly a stand hunter. How has that ratio been for your style of hunting ? I always use ear muffs or plugs while target shooting with a "real" gun, but they are not necessary with a BB gun. Still, engineering controls (ie no noise), trumps PPE (ear plugs) every time.

Not only does that bother the neighbor's less, but it also keeps my own ears in better shape. I use them like radar when hunting, and they often give me the drop on a deer before it see's, hears or smells me. That makes it a lot easier to kill them. I feel sorry for those folk's who shoot guns all the time for practice and can't hear jack squat as a result.

That is a great idea for the bow-hunters, especially the older ones.

They may but I don't. My last straw on those was when I tried to use my dad's battery-operated drill to put in a pilot hole and a lag bolt into a hard maple tree to support a blind over at my folks place about 5 years ago. Naturally, the battery was not up to the task and they had no charged spare at the house. I found an antique hand crank brace and bit out in the barn and used that to get the job done. I have a few plug in electric drill motors that are probably from the 1950's and still work as good as they did when new. Batteries might be handy when you are in a house or shop with some spares and a charger but not so much out in the woods or back in a field.

I did a lot more target shooting with my hunting weapons when ammo was plentiful and cheap. Now that it is scarce and expensive, I only shoot the minimum number of shots from each, to verify the zero each season. Usually that is just (2) or (3) shots, and I can get it all done over the Labor day weekend. I take thousands more target practice shots throughout the year, but those are all sub-sonic from my kids BB-guns. That kind of practice is a lot more enjoyable for me, knowing that it is almost free and does not rile up the neighbors. I am big on the golden rule, and I know I really don't like to hear the neighbors shooting when I am out hunting (because I see less deer activity when they are). In fact, the only time I like to hear a gun go off is when mine is pointed at a deer or something else I intend to eat.

That is what I consider a big advantage of the crossbow and also one which many folks overlook, or even consider a disadvantage. For example, looking back two seasons ago, I unloaded my crossbow into a rag-bag after the morning hunt, then had two bucks show up at almost the same distance for the afternoon hunt, the larger of which I killed. You talk about building confidence about making a shot, it don't get much better than that. Back when I hunted with a vertical bow, I seldom practiced throughout the season, and that almost certainly contributed to some of the misfortunes that I suffered with that weapon. I thank the Good Lord almost every day over the last four years that those days are behind me, due to those 17 days (including the full rut) that I can now use a crossbow in NY state. It would be nice to get the rest of archery season, but I am not complaining much and have done ok under the current rules. It would let me to do more to help control the antlerless population in the grossly overpopulated WMU where I live (9F) if I could get out there after them starting October 1. Killing bucks has not been a problem for me, but it is just amazing how fast those wise old does lead their groups to be completely nocturnal as soon as they detect some early archery pressure.

That does make sense, especially as one gets older and less able to do stuff. My folks have a NG well over at their place and all that they use is free. It would probably make sense for them to get a top of the line stationary generator and use that most of the time, only using line power (which they pay for) when it is down for maintenance. That, and a compressed NG vehicle and tractor could virtually eliminate all of their energy costs. My biggest "project" usage of a portable generator, besides weed-wacking the outer edges of the lawn (I hate those gasoline powered weed wackers), is working on tree stands and blinds for deer hunting. It is nice to have an electric drill, saw, air compressor and welder available for those projects, all of which do just fine on a 5000 watt generator. I have an intense dislike for portable battery powered tools and extra gasoline engines to maintain, so the more plug-in tools I can use the better. I have grown somewhat dependent on that portable generator and would probably still want one if and when I ever get a stationary unit for the house.

It has been over a month now since we ate our last vacuum-sealed BB roast from (2) seasons ago and I am starting to go thru some withdrawl.

In all the excitement after killing that 43" chest-girth buck last year with my crossbow, I lost that silly rope pulley thing. I made up a couple of t-handles with short lengths of chain and metal clips and they work a lot faster for reloading. My cheap, entry-level crossbow is only 150 pound draw though, so the direct pull is not that bad. It was tough on the fingers, until I made those t-handles.

Peace be with you, and I forgive you for the name-calling.

The only time I miss not having draft control on MY JD 4120 is while plowing. I still use my old 1951 Ford 8N on occasion, for that reason alone, if it is dry enough. That draft control makes it a lot easier to plow to a uniform depth. When I bought that JD about 12 years ago, they still used American-made JD Powertech engines in that line. It don't look like they have since the Tier IV regs came out. If I had to get a non-American engine anyhow, then I would probably go with a Mahindra or a Koiti . The Mahindra dealer is just a little further away than the JD dealer, so that would probably be my pick. Back when I bought mine, the JD was cheaper than Kubota, same cost as NH, and had a much higher lift capacity than either. The American engine, and close dealer made the choice a no-brainer.

BLT