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It looks bad. But, we've been burned so many times now by even video of "murdering cops" and then it is proven later the cop acted legitimately that I'm hesitant to make a judgement. All we know for certain in that video is that: 1) Guy was acting like an idiot (when was the last time the cops were giving you commands and you kept walking away? Was he high) 2) He had his hands up 3) He got shot We don't know what happened between 2 and 3. He got shot while near his car. Was he reaching for a gun inside of it? I have no idea. If I had to bet my life on it I'd say the cop acted incorrectly here, but I am no longer sure after seeing so many vids of armchair prosecutors concluding guilt before we know all the facts, whether it's with gentle mike or that guy recently shot on his back while reaching for a gun.

I assume just a simple error on employee part. Scamming customers in this way is very risky and sure to be caught in no time, so I think it was just a mistake.

Yeah if I notice any weird flight issues these will not be going anywhere with me...taking them out today at distance, hopefully I can make them work. I did find that taking my old nocks, putting three BBs in them, and holding in with a bit of epoxy makes my old nocks weigh 1.6-1.7 grams compared to these being 1.5 grams. That's a 2 grain difference which I'm positive I won't notice on the range in a 400 grain arrow. However, the center of gravity is back about a centimeter or so I think, which is a decent bit.

Not trying to work anyone up now, but if you want to look at some really ridiculous shooting there are a bunch more tim wells vids on youtube, including some where he hits geese multiple times while flying at a pretty decent distance. If these were not on video and he wasn't a well known guy I would just think it's all made up. I've seen some other archer shooting pennies in front of him but I figured he had practiced the shot a million times. And no matter how may times I see this sort of thing, I'll never get good enough to take a bow shot at a running deer.

Happened to me first time I shot from a stand. The string got caught on part of the stand. I practice standing, so IMO I want to stand whenever possible. I can only realistically shot from a stand to the left anyway.

I'm starting to think there are still people in this thread who haven't watched the video. He crept within actual spitting distance of this thing initially.

Though I think the democratic narrative on terrorism is blissfully ignorant of the threat islam poses to all civilizations it touches, at least hillary is paying [half-hearted] lip service to vetting immigrants more effectively. NPR compared her and Trump's views. They even threw in gary johnson's at the end and jill stein's, which is particularly pie-in-the-sky. http://www.npr.org/2016/09/19/494598251/the-candidates-reactions-to-attacks-in-their-own-words Obama and co's view, which prescribes an unwillingness to even call a duck a duck, is borne from the idea that demonizing islamic extremists helps terrorist recruiting. I actually think they are right, it does. But, what's the option? Obama literally is unwilling to call islamic terrorism islamic terrorism. You can call it a chest ouchy if you like, but a doctor won't; a heart attack won't be helped by improper use of terms. Neither will dropping islamic terrorism into some nebulous "terrorism" bucket, within which you make no meaningful discrimination of what is what. FBI, CIA, etc. all know islamic terrorism is a unique threat, which is why I wish politicians would catch up to watch common sense and experts say about it.

That's an impressive shot. I mentioned the slug because if I made a thread asking if a shotgun slug has enough power at 75 yards to kill a deer the mods would shut it down for wasting bandwidth.

Field & Stream right now has one pack at that price, but it's a weird size or something. I had to pay $25 for 3 more at lunch. They are $20 on amazon, but I'm concerned about them potentially being old stock. Also found some tips online, other guys will add weights to their standard nocks in the form of glued in nails or similar so that they can match the weight. I've run numbers on a calculator and the extra 20 grains may not cause more than an inch or so POI difference up to 30 yards. Still, I would prefer to have pins dialed in for that.

Everything about this is predictable. 1) Motivations of person committing these events 2) Ineffective ramblings from hillary about how to solve it Meanwhile, we're told ISIS won't affect our resolve which, I suppose, means our resolve to take yet more immigrants from terror hot spots.

If main the consideration in close quarters battle was over-penetration of the target SWAT would use nothing but bird shot. 223/5.56 penetrates very well, no problem going through multiple layers of a typical wall. I've used fresh 6X6 posts as stands for targets and 223 will get through 5.5" of wood every time. Realistically it can go through about twice that. As always people need to know their own limits and that of the gear. For rifles, it's a "close" range round for deer.

I would be confident out to 30. I regularly practice to 50. At 30 I "never" miss getting within vitals of the target and typically by a comfortable margin. Generally I can get within a vital size margin at 50 yards but not "all the time", so 50 is out totally.

Yeah, that was at LJC. Anyway, a last bit of data: A rifled shotgun slug from a 12 gauge has at 75 yards about the same energy as a 223 at the same distance because the slug bleeds energy at an insane rate due to its huge frontal area. At 100 yards the 223 can actually carry with it more energy than that same slug.

It's the quoting system on the forum. Sometimes it's just plain weird. As for the wound myth it is still perpetuated by many, including some in the military. But, a lot of military actually know very little about guns. I read recently a study of army troops showed a significant number actually believed a bullet continues to accelerate after leaving the barrel, for example. If in doubt still about the wound vs kill, again I'd refer back to the fact that people infiltrating buildings such as in the bin laden assault continue to rely on 5.56. This isn't to say it is the best round for mlitary use (plenty of other militaries use larger rounds), but it is not intended to wound in combat.

These aren't legal in all states, but they are in NY. Playing with one this weekend, it was really nifty. Just fun to shoot, like a laser, and should assist in knowing where an arrow struck. I plan on buying more. These add at least 20 grains to the back of the arrow, changing its balance point. Have people noticed this changes impact much (not talking about just the weight increase)? If so, one idea is to go with a lighter arrow, put the heavier lighted nock on, then a 125 grain point so that the FOC is unchanged. I'm also thinking if I can get the weights right I could probably have lighted nocks on a few arrows and have my practice arrows a heavier GPI so that the total weight of both is about the same. For example I have some 8.0 GPI arrows that, when terminated with Nocturnals, weigh precisely the same as my 8.7 GPI standard-nocked arrows.

There's no doubt it's not as good as a harder-hitting round.

I swear in another thread recently where I pointed out the increased power of crossbow over vertical bow you said that a bow is nonetheless perfectly fine to kill deer (it is). But you're saying the opposite here; more is better A .223 will kill a deer. A 3030 will kill it deader and a 50 BMG will kill it deader still. This is not true. It is a commonly related myth, but absolutely not true. The reason the military uses a fairly light .223 (or more specifically 5.56) instead of a much heavier round is because it is still lethal up to 300 yards or 500 or whatever the spec was when 5.56 was created, yet light enough they can carry more. It never had anything to do with intentionally wounding--not killing--so that more guys would be involved in caring for the person. This intuitively makes little sense particularly since police and SWAT still use 5.56 during activities in which their goal is clearly to kill, not wound. Bin laden was killed by 5.56. This isn't because the military is too cheap to give its top operators cheap rounds or the seal teams are so used to shooting 5.56 from their early days that they cannot properly get used to a "real" round. Which brings us to this point: If a 5.56/.223 is deemed by the military as a man-capable killing round at 300+ yards, surely it can take a deer sniffing a leaf at 100 yards. And, as those who've tried the round have found out, yes, it indeed can. Put one of these into a deer's lungs and it is done.

Where to buy them, though? I literally have never seen them in any local store and I have looked!

That looks awesome. One can also buy camo fabric (though some brands I've read about them running the paint off quite quickly) and lash a few bits of that together. I can't imagine too many people stealing some fabric hung over a dead tree limb. This is cheap enough to play with. A log or two and some paracord to hang it from (reviews are hit and miss, though): https://www.amazon.com/Allen-Company-Break-Up-54-Inch-12-Feet/dp/B000KOTVO2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1474290862&sr=8-3&keywords=camo+fabric

I plan on using the round this year. This thread will absolutely incite criticisms, but the fact is the round is legal, it's been used to harvest thousands of deer, and though not comparing apples to apples, a 223 has 20X the kinetic energy of an arrow, which many of us hunt with. I will say I've looked in many stores, have a multitude of different rounds now to practice with, but they are either the standard FMJ stuff, varmint rounds, or target. I've not found any that seem ideal for hunting...? I guess I've not looked into it enough but hoping for a round that doesn't "explode" when it hits the target.

Bought a 2-string untubed peep today. Got it installed, remembered why I ditched it last time. Even with the pin housing centered, the peep sight is so blurry I cannot get a distinct, clear centering with the housing. Went back to my tubed peep, no problem centering. Found some people online who said they cannot do blue and red peeps because the peep just blurs too much and the borders aren't sharp. I will probably pick up a black one to give it a whirl again.

I believe compounds are inherently more efficient than recurve, even if you have a recuve with a very smooth draw that almost immediately hits max poundage like a compound does. The physics behind a recurve necessitates that The ends of the limbs come toward each other enough to give you the draw length. This creates a simple triangle, so the math of how close the limbs come together is simple and obvious. However, look at how a compound works. As you draw the string back, you don't gain draw only by the limbs coming closer together; in stead the string is being unwound around the cam, that pivots around the limb. It cannot pivot without limb movement, but it doesn't require as much. As such, the limbs move far less than on a recurve. Less movement = more efficient stroke. In other words, wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compound_bow

I've fired this thing a bunch including with slow-motion on my phone. This is amazing. Think I will buy another pack or two. The reason I filmed on the phone is it really showed me the trajectory of the arrow, helping to confirm what paper testing had told me but also showing there is a little porpoising I can possibly fix. My phone does 240 FPS. However, I've also seen still images of arrows with these nocks and those probably work even better, because the light bobs around on the arrow as it flies. I'm surprised to say I've never seen these used in real life; not one of the people I've come across at the range use lighted nocks. Other than the 20 grain addition of weight (minus whatever a normal nock weighs, probably just a few) and price I don't see any drawback.

But you can get a 370 FPS for $280

Field & stream was selling single nocturnals for $10, so I had to get one. Shot it twice. Wow! This is kind of amazing. I can't wait to get outside at a longer range. I hate that they throw the arrow off from a normal one due to the extra weight. I guess unless a person has a whole ton of them they just set the bow to the few they have and get used to practice arrows hitting a hair high on the target.