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A 400 grain arrow shot at 300 FPS has, at 60 yards, the same KE as a 400 grain arrow shot from a 320 IBO bow @ 70 lbs with a 29" draw length at 0 yards. Lack of pass through at that range would have been due to hitting bone. The top of the line crossbows now are basically so darn fast they have half the drop at 50 yards as a decent compound.

I know nothing about tim wells, but if the video is to be believed he crept within six feet of this thing on shale! Anyway here is the video of him shooting birds out of the sky.

Deer can jump string at 30 though as well. My bet is that bad shooting form is responsible for far more missed hits than the deer ducking the string.

HAHA i was just googling it! FWIW I am religious about looking at my level. Maybe even too much. I have to admit I have not even fired a single volley without deliberately tiling my bow to see how much it matters at hunting distances. I'm sure for any sort of range it becomes pretty important, though.

Raised my bow from 49 to 58 in the past few weeks. Also have taken my draw length up to 29.5, which is fully an inch above the height/2.5 rule. However, with my knuckles around my ear lobes as so many use for anchor I can still shoot this comfortably and I don't feel I'm overextended. I got about a 4" group with 5 arrows today at 50 (best ever). Course, I couldn't replicate that later. I also figured out why last year I had right-side neck/bottom of skull pain because I'm getting it again! It's due to leaning my head into the string--another reason I have increased the draw length. At least now I know I don't have skull cancer. Anyway, back to the peep sight, the nice thing about tubed sights is that they can be made such that when looking through them there is a perfect circle around the housing. But a non-tubed one, which starts as a circle, will in fact end up appearing as oval when looked through due to angle of string. I guess this lets them twist a bit without throwing off the sight. Anyway, I think I can live with that. My tube was causing me crazy issues today and I'm sick of its nonsense, so going to go back to a standard peep tomorrow like the cool kids. That's it for my daily Core bow rambling, thanks! Two weeks left.

I assume no harness? I never got into motorbikes for the reasons above. I've ridden dirt bikes. No shortage of fun, but logging lots of miles on public roads where people are distracted or a bit of gravel and I'm sliding into a tree. I just couldn't do it. I would one day like to buy a polaris slingshot. Those things look amazing. There are some harness systems that let you descend slowly to the ground and there are other methods to shimmy down with some rope. I will definitely look into that before I go up another tree. The last harness I got with the summit climber has a stretch of rope in a pouch on the harness. This can be attached to hooks so that you can stand up to relieve weight on your body if you're hanging. I also carry a whistle in my pack and I may stitch it to my harness in the future.

I'm not sure; I know nothing I didn't post. I think I was mistaken about the ladder stand, though. I believe this was a screw in step setup , presumably to a hang-on stand. The specifics unfortunately are not really understood or of interest to lay people, so this is probably the best details I can get from an intermediary who has never really seen a tree stand

50 yards is absolutely not too far for a powerful crossbow if somebody is good with it. These things can reach better than compounds and for a skilled bowhunter 50 yards is fine with a vertical as well. But that's somebody who practices consistently and has proven accuracy. Most of the guys at my range never even practice past 30 because even with that they struggle to get the arrow into a vital area. I'm guessing any new archer who spends time shooting at 40, then 50 yards is going to be heastily disabused of any ideas of shooting at game at 100 yards.

I don't think we should really debate the merits of shooting at running game at 130 yards. We know it's crazy, I'm sure this guy did know that as well, but as pointed out above he had already hit the thing, so there was nothing unethical about a hail mary at long range to help put it down instead of it going off somewhere and dying from an infection. A lot of the shot was still luck, but it's crazy nonetheless, like the videos on youtube of guys throwing baskets from the top of the bleachers. To me the more debatable shot is taking one at running game at 40. I would have said that is downright irresponsible and it absolutely is for virtually all bowhunters, but if this guy really is as good as he seems to be it may not have been that crazy after all. If he can hit flying doves with some half decent consistency, a massive target like a deer's vitals doesn't seem so tricky in the end. Case in point the comment about 50 yard crossbow. For a beginner with no bow experience at all that is certainly too far, but in the hands of an expert a 50 yard crossbow is pretty reasonable.

@(#*! I didn't even notice that. Wow. I watched again, he is indeed shooting with fingers. And no sight? That is just incredible. Also didn't notice he doesn't use a sight. I agree after the first arrow hit there's no harm in trying to shoot a second. Shooting the first at 40 yards (?) while running is something 99.9% of archers should never try, but maybe he really is that good that a shot like that to him is like a 20-30 yard standing still to many of us. The first one did almost take it out. Well I just watched a vid of him shooting doves out of the sky with a bow. And not one, but multiple ones, so you can trust he wasn't sending a thousand arrows and only showing on film the single one that hit (though I'm sure he did miss a bit). It seems to me that maybe the first shot on the moving game wasn't as unethical as it would appear at first glance. For anybody reading this thread it probably would be, but that guy looks inhuman.

After the second arrow hits the camera man pans out and you can see that thing is very, very far away. My guess is the guy could try the same shot a hundred times again and miss every time. I would never have believed it if I hadn't seen it on video. Arrow was in flight for over one second with something moving quickly and has to adjust for many feet of drop as well. There's no way he could even have had a pin setup for it.

This is a year old, but doesn't seem to be posted here. This is a combination of extreme skill (the original shot is legitimately almost into the vitals), and incredible luck (I have a hard time believing the second shot was not 80% luck).

It is possible, but it sounds unlikely. It's not like with a gun that you can be casually holding while turning. A bow drawn is like a rifle shouldered; you're not likely to casually point it to somebody while talking.

I have slightly more details now. "somebody" at work mentioned he had a two-person stand. I'm not sure that was this one. Apparently he was using screw-in steps because a) he was testing after installing each one (sounds like something you wouldn't do on a ladder stand), b ) as he was falling he was worried about being impaled (heard this a lot with screw-ins) So I believe what happened is he was screwing in the steps and when he got to the very top he was about to secure his harness, but the top step gave way when he put his body weight on it. He was in fact alone when it happened, but he had cell phone service out there.

Yep, I've heard this as well. The old types could choke you out in no time. The newer multi-point are better, but still not fun at all to hang there. At least with steps of some kind you have a chance to use those. I still need to practice a technique to descend if I find the bottom go out on my climber and I'm stuck hanging. I assume the guy you know wasn't using a harness...?

I guess, but term limits are kind of a bandaid on a problem, too. The level of corruption is crazy. This is a country led by the rich, for the rich. That is an opinion borne out of actual fact and study. The bulk of people in congress are extremely rich. There was also this study out of Princeton a couple years ago shining light to it: http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746 Everything is a revolving door pat-on-the-back in DC. Remember the guy who ran homeland security touting body scanners by a company he had an interest in? That's just one example of so many. Yet nobody seems to really care. And when you have a president endorsing somebody and then two people given posts by that president as head of the DOJ and head of the FBI investigating that person he endorsed for a crime and they conclude that although this person won't be charged, others who do the same thing may be (that's what Comey said), what do we have? It's not justice. It's all a total farce. Each election I say okay that was so ridiculous I will ignore politics, but I can't. It's just not in my blood to ignore it. And I hope clinton loses this election but not because Trump is good. A country not so sick to the core should never have had these two people nominated. It should never have gotten to this point. Now on November 9 half the country is going to be despondent. So divided, it will get worse.

That's what I told my wife! At our age (i.e. not children) anything more than about three feet and stuff starts to break.

Wish I had never seen this thread. Now I am researching lighted nocks. Like I need to spend more money on this stuff! Plus might as well get a half dozen if I get one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I haven't really fiddled with a non-tubed peep since last year, early on. The strings have 2000 arrows (total ball park guess). The ones that came with the bow, but they still look to be in great shape. Now that I have a bow press it may be worth fiddling around with the peep, though, and trying to skip the tube.

I'm on the money now at reasonable hunting distances, but still trying to get tighter groupings just for fun. How do you guys who get crazy-tight groups have your peep sight set up? When I first started out, I was using a fairly small peep and centering the pin within it. The benefit of this is that even if the peep is twisted, there is not a ton of light between the pin and the peep, so it's still easy to center it. Shoot further = hold pin over target but now hold peep over that lower pin. But then I learned a lot of people use a peep big enough to center the entire housing, so that the housing is always centered within the peep. To shoot further, pin on target but continue to center the housing. I think the second approach is superior and it's what I've been using. The target is not hidden by the small peep, and unless in method one the peep is REALLY small, it can be very hard to precisely center it, plus time consuming. But, the problem is this doesn't work at all if the peep twists even a little; accuracy goes down the window (I suspect). As such I've been using peep tubing. I know a lot of people say not to, but a few diehards still like it. Mine breaks of course at bad times (like today at the range), but when it works it's awesome and frankly I plan on still using it. My peep is only just big enough to see the entire pin housing and it lets me align with high confidence. Any other ideas? I've looked at metal d-loops to help align an un-tubed peep but a lot of people think these cause extra wear on the string (plus noise/weight concerns).

I've never set a ladder stand up, but when thinking about buying one recently this is basically why I decided against it. Just seemed kind of risky to do alone. This guy did have a buddy with him, for what it's worth.

My wife has a co-worker who has been hunting for many years. He takes safety seriously and "always" uses a harness--though apparently not yesterday. Yesterday while setting up a two-person stand (which tells me it was a ladder stand), he fell and has suffered multiple breaks to his lower legs. As far as I know his back and head are good to go. I wish I had more specifics. The purpose of this thread is to remind people to take falling very seriously. It sounds to me like this guy is generally responsible and takes safety seriously, but obviously slipped up on that a bit yesterday. I know some people here still don't uses harnesses, though I'm sure most of you do. If you don't, you are flirting with disaster.

I think both sides are equally inept when it comes to leadership. The snake is rotten from the head right now. The country would be better with the entirety of congress being forced into retirement with a special council put in place merely to handle any emergencies such as war or natural disaster. Then start anew with a fresh group that are not systemically corrupt, both legally and morally. SCOTUS should probably also be reset, kick the lot of them out; they rule down party lines enough to show they are failing at their assignment.

I enjoy watching progressive ones ridiculed and trashed by the public. It's not like that law happened in a vacuum. This stuff with bathrooms is not an end point. LGBT got the right to marry and then realized hmm now what? We can't be discriminated against in employment, in marriage. Now let's start focusing on things that affect 1/300 people (that is the percentage of people who identify as trans), ignore the fact that in many (most?) cases trans crosses over into the realm of mental disorder (DSM V, the definitive guide on these put out by the american psychiatric association), and just keep turning rocks over and over because we have nothing better to do.

Shotgun. Cheap, can use it for other things. Smooth bore slugs good out to 100 yards and foster, in a rifled barrel, 150. There are often deals on combo packages with a smooth bore field barrel plus a rifled cantilever barrel to mount a scope. I could use my mossberg 500 for hunting but I actually shoot a lot of trap (clay) with it. As for brand, mossberg 500 or Remington 870. Don't bother researching any other in the intro category. 500 is cheaper, 870 in my opinion feels a little nicer to cycle. I have a 500 btw. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk