Northcountryman

Why do you think that is? Is it because the antigen spikes found on the delta are different enough from those that the vaccine provides protection against?

No doubt- thats terrible

Ok and what about those who have already had COVID- do they have protection against delta (as you understand it) or no?

Yes, and with good reason. Do you really want to hand over that much power to the federal government to regulate our lives and infringe upon our individual liberties that easily? If granted that power, does it then become a gateway statute inexorably leading to further, more restrictive mandates in the future? Thats what many of us fear , and with good reason IMHO. Dont get me wrong, I' am no Anti-vaxxer by any stretch, believing in the efficacy of it to protect the recipient from severe disease; But I also question its safety and the potential side effects that may crop up in the months and years to come due to the limited number of experimental trials conducted in its devpt, albeit out of necessity, of course. Can you guarantee me there will be no long term effects suffered by those receiving the vaccine?? No...no one can. Again, that doesnt mean that I'm against it eithther as I am CONSIDERING getting it due to the prevalence of the delta variant currently, in which the vaccine seemingly offers more protection than natural immunity , which i already have. Each individual has to do their own risk-assessment analysis in order to determine their own course of action at this stage of the pandemic , rather than directives being OREDERED them by the govt. In terms of the social responsibility inherent to citizenry of any nation-state, I agree with you to a certain point , but I dont think were there yet, not by a long shot, and youre leaving out one essential aspect: what about the responsibility that is incumbent upon the individual to protect themselves, rather than relying on govt mandates (i.e., social control and regulation of other citizens) to protect you? If you, as an individual, know you are immunocompromised , for whatever reason , then YOU should go and get the vaccine yourself and not worry about what others are doing!! What if you get sick anyway? Well, theres a small chance of that happening regardless of what others are doing around you, the way I see it, BUT YOU DO YOURE PART TO PROTECT YOURSELF!!

Yes, this is my question as well and brings up an interesting bioethical issue apropos of conferred immunity: can you be a vector of transmission even after after developing immunity , whether it be natural or via vaccination? I honestly dont know, but its possible, albeit not probable.

Maybe youve already addressed this, but Ill as anyway to save time trying to search it up: have you had corona yet?

Wow, that is Very insightful Chef. Im sure that that the cogent, well presented argument you proffered will now convince everyone-if not vaccinated- to run out and get it. Well done

Thats something I dont wanna know or even think about

Actually, I consider myself center-right politically, and would guess from your posts that your center-left (roughly). Discussions and spirited debates enable people with opposing view points to understand each others perspective more throughly and, perhaps, enable them to comprehend the issue(s) more comprehensively. I like an opposing POV for that reason, lest I become too extreme myself- Dont stop posting!!

Schrodinger believed that , at the quantum level at least, systems display dual states or qualities until observed or quantified, which then, forces the conversion to one state of being or another. Applying this to your belief system in reference to God, your saying (I think) that learning about , studying God forces the intrinsic duality into either existence or non-existence? Wow Very cool

Im familiar with this paradox but am curious how it influences youre approach to God?

Well, I am disappointed ; I may disagree with you often politically but it is, after all, only a discussion .

In your “ rebuttal” , you included nothing of substance as to what I said In reply to you - come on Mike; You can do better than that!! I always Respected your POV and enjoyed Our robust debates. In the words of the omniscient and infallible Bill OReilly , where am I going Wrong here ? Lol

He is when hes testifying about something that VERY specifically pertains to his political beliefs (anti-Trump, Capitol Hill rioters) ; also, the fact that hes a police officer and presented himself as a pro- law enforcement guy yet expresses pro BLM sentiment , in my view, definitely diminishes his credibility. Does that mean his account is NECESSARILY baised? No, but I would bet that , due to the aforementioned issues regarding him , his character and his background, that it is- without a doubt in my mind. BTW, I do support the Capitol Hill rioters. That doesnt mean that I agree with what they did , because I do not and emphatically condemn their actions and their conduct that day- but I do sympathize with their cause, as you do with BLM (I know this from previous threads in which you and I discussed your thoughts on the BLM movement).

Forgive my saying, but based on your description, doesnt sound like your too conservative- would you give me an example of an issue in which you agree with the right on? Also, are there any Democrat politicans that you are equally contemptuous of? I feel the same way that you do about the current Prez, also, Obama, Pelosi, Adam Schiff, AOC, the Squad members, and a host of other Democrats and diagree with you about Trump and Cruz. Who's MTG, btw? Gaetz sounds like hes a perv so tend to agree there (which is too bad cuz I liked his stance on many of the issues) .

Aren't you also left-of-center politically? Its perfectly ok , of course, but I think he may be associating your avatar name with the content of your posts- I know that I did!

the audit has been in the news and it does look like theyve found some signficant issues. Because the margin of Bidens "supposed' victory in those states is so marginal, I am inclined to belive that Trump won both of those states, albeit closely- not sure about PA and MI , though.

Yes, I am and as to fake Twitter posts, I would bet dollars to donuts that the BLM posts from Dunn's account, demonstarating his true beliefs and political leanings are authentic. It is appalling that a law enforcement officer would openly support such a group- and what about the Ben Carson thing? Why defame him in earlier post? I find him to be a very nice man who did alot of good in his life- why refer to him as sleepy?

Maybe she wanted something to happen?

Or completely biased , which i believe that he is. He absolutely can (and will) get away with lying because his narrative his favored by the powers that be. And Why would you suggest the twitter posts may be photoshopped? Can we on the right, then, make the same argument for everytime similar evidence is provided substantiating claims made on the left and discrediting those on the right? Come on- dont go there. Frankly, I find it reprehensible that ANY law enforcement officer would publicly support them and their anti-cop message- very disturbing. Harry Dunn IS a cop, albeit a Capitol Police Officer, correct? Also, your referred to Ben Carson as sleepy and said that you can understand his disappointment in him? Why is that ? Can you explain ?

Nice!!

I understand what youre saying and agre (to a point), but you must see how frustrated the right gets about the double standard that is so blatant and obvious, dont you?

Please See NYStarks post- that should clear it up in regards to Harry Dunn's true beliefs and political leanings. He is not "just a regular guy" and is not neutral. I dont believe him.

Yes, Excellent post!!! Whered you get that info, Bud??

No, but you obviously believe his testimony about the N-word thing whereas many of us do not. This doesnt make him an evil person, btw, just misguided and wrong (perhaps).