Northcountryman

We did go into Iraq- Iran wasnt possible because, although backwards as hell, still, much more advanced technologically and miltarily than Afghanistan. I think , based on history, you should know better than to suggest we can relysolely on just superior air/firepower: Remember Vietnam? We decimated the Taliban (although did not entriely eradicate them- for 20 years and kept the homeland safe from another 9/11. Al Queda and the Taliban are 2 separate groups , although both Muslim extemist organizations. They are not the same. Youre conflating the 2. ISIS formed in Iraq, founded by Obamas mismanagement and withdrawal bungling!

They didnt know the specifics of the withdrawal plan which it appears , based on the fiasco unfolding, there was none; and I reiterate, they should have commenced evacuation far sooner. Biden failed to listen to sound advice and insisted on doing it his way and it was a disaster as a consequence.

By leadership , you must mean Biden and that is absolutely dead on.

Huh?

That is simply not true as Al Quida was well entrenched in Afghanistan and mush off the 911 planning was conceived there. We did right being there . Stayed too long ? Sure , I’ll give you that but don’t say w never should have been there In first place as that is absurd .

Not true - he mismanaged it from the beginning , ignoring advice from military advice from those around him. This is his mess , and well deserved .

Correct

You’re not understanding what I’m saying - if they knew that they were gonna withdraw as they obviously didn’t, they should have been planning a safe evacuation process for all western diplomats and the afghan people who helped us - they didn’t do this . It is embarrassing .

Thats because of the incredibly poor planning!! Yes, of course I do; did not have to end up that way.

It DEFINITELY could have been handled better , especially considering advice from the military was ignored. Also, knowing the timeline that was delineated, why didnt they commence evacuations of the people that helped us months ago a little at a time to make it more manageable ? Now its a cluster*&$#. Biden isan absolute embarassment- you nkow this is so when even Communist News and MSDNC are criticizing him- thats bad!!

The plan (if you want to call it that)was poorly conceived and naively relied on the Afghan military to handle things for themselves when his militrary advisors CLEARLY TOLD HIM TO LEAVE A CONTINGENT THERE A BIT LONGER TO HANDLE THE EVACUATION- he ignored the advice. The disaster unfolding is the result and mskes a mockery of us on the wrold stage- pathetic.

I appreciate the sentiment VH, really, but I think youre mistaken- youre trying to have it both ways. Let me say that Harris has NEVER been consistent in ANY message she has everconveyed to the public- ever. From the vaccine , to the BLM riots , to the border crisis she has been inconsistent- and just plain wrong- on every single issue. Yes, she did say that she would take a vaccine recommended by Fauci and YES , she did say she would NOT TAKE A VACCINE THAT TRUMP SAYS WE SHOULD TAKE AND HE DID! So, which is it?This is my prediction: if Trump would have been reelected, and rolled out the vaccine himself, she would have refused to take it; I could be wrong , but I believe that her hatred of him far surpasses and other sentiments she may have. Also, why refer to your brethren on here as "other morons on the forum?" I would be inclined, sometimes, to use similar appelations towards a few of the members on here that happen to be on your side of the political spectrum , but I wont lower myself as that shuts down the discussion- and the listening to your message- immediately. Even if many on here disagree w/ you , I get the feeling that youve garnered respect and that guys listen to you because your posts are articulate, well reasoned and on-point- I know that I do. Youre better than that !

Wow, Really- Are you sure about the 2 COVID patients, though? Why would he post that then?

Guess the fancy meter is off just a tad , then!! lol

Well, Im not sure about Biden ,but Harris certainly did, see here: https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/kamala-harris-says-she-wouldnt-trust-a-vaccine-trump-recommended/ar-BB19O9k4

He should have listened to his military advisors and kept the 4500 troops there throughout the entire withdrawal process like he was advised to- also, he should not have announced such a discrete and specific withdrawal timetable. He made a HUGE blunder here and i fear ALOT of people will die as a consequence. Yes, elections do, indeed have consequences

Wow... Well, Ill tell you 1 thing: You are one unabashed Collectivist my friend!! Through and through!! You know, I find it ironic that you claim to actually be "mostly conservative" on most issues (yes, he did say this before!!)- NOT!! No conservative would espouse such public shaming, virtue signalling, "do what the govt tells you to even when theyre not sure themselves social control policies" and other puntive measures I may have left out- like you do in regards to the vaccine issue. And what happens if it turns out that the vaccine , months or years down the road, cause major chronic side effects and/or other issues and need to be treated en masse and flood all of these same emergency rooms? I hope they ensure that youre at the back of the line!!

Ahh , so you support a prioritization of triaging patients predicated on punitive measures -ok . And this is because they didn’t - according to you- do everything they could conceivably do that was within their power to prevent infection and serious illness from COVID . Sounds great . So , extending your logic a step further , anyone who smokes cigarettes , doobage, overeats, etc. should also be kicked to the back of the line for the same reason because smoking anything and overeating CLEARLY without a doubt are correlated with more severe outcomes if infected with COVID. Do you smoke anything or overeat - I HOPE NOT because you’ll be kicked to the back of the line !! A dangerous and incredibly judgemental position you espouse , my friend .

We have GOT to get our people IMMEDIATELY , including all Americans , westerners and afghanis who have assured our efforts over the years as they’re lives are in danger - and no word from Biden as he’s on “ vacation”. What a mess .

Very disturbing -my concern right now is to complete the evacuation of all westerners , diplomats and other Afghanis that helped us As there lives are undoubtedly in danger . Get them out , fast!!

That Is commendable - really. Why do anti business, then?

Are you sure about that ? Seems to me there must be some way for them to incorporate stats for news channel ratings via Hulu and the other online providers .

You’re contradicting yourself - previously , you said it was a fantasy contrived by FOX news and Trumpers ( basically ) . It is a MAJOR issue and you’re on the wrong side of it , I’m afraid .

You don’t require cable tv to watch FOX or CNN as I don’t have it myself anymore - what’s your point ?

Their viewer ship lags far Below FOX - that is a fact .