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Really really cool stuff guys!

It's us versus us versus them. It should be us versus them. Actually there should be no 'them' but that's a pipe dream.

This 'in' fighting is playing right into the anti's hands. It's a shame.

Since it';s our tax dollar I would hope the rancher had to prove what killed it, don't you?

Hopefully they widen the specifics on what they consider disabled. As I read it form that link THAT SUCH PERSON IS PHYSICALLY INCAPABLE OF ARM MOVEMENT SUFFICIENT TO RELEASE A BOW Sounds pretty much like what use to qualify for "disabled", basically a quad. I'm hoping my neighbor with Parkinsons can now bow hunt again and my other neighbor that was in a motorcycle accident and has chronic pain and bolts in his hand can too.

Refresh my memory, who won that game?

Now that's what I'm talking about!!

NYRB It appears that might have been an isolated incindent if you go to scopes site they list some of the laws you mentioned and they opposed them. http://www.scopeny.org/anti-gun-legislation.html As far as the NRA goes I believe ( I could be wrong) that most of their lobbyiung for us happens on the national level. As I said before we need groups repping us locally, on the state level and on the national level.

FYI THis convert always reports his kills, when he's lucky to get some.

@ Doc that makes sense. sitting back and reading your response I'd have to say I' just changed my point of view. If someone isn't willing to take 2-5 minutes to make a call or go online to help better manage our deer herds they deserve a fine. Most of us have the time to spend countless hours and days in the woods and on the water so we all have 2-5 minutes to help manage the herd, and the liars, well they'll always be there, nothing we can do about that. Now I can finally make my corny joke. If you just ask, "what's up Doc?" You will find out ;D

What's to prevent someone from reporting they didn't take a deer even if they did? Not sure I get the benefit of calling up to say I didn;t get one. How tough is, call if you take a deer, if you don't call then you didn't take a deer? Kind of like, hey call me Friday if you want to go fishing SUnday. If you don;t call then you're not interested. KISS Kiss It Simple Stupid (not calling anyone here stupid, it's just a saying)

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/read.aspx?id=4560 http://www.nysrpa.org/ Just a couple of things the NRA has been involved in here in NY. Can we really have too many people/orginizations fighting for our gun rights? I believe it helps to have both local and national support against the anti guns crusades. Can't have too much support and in this day and age of politcal BS we need to have local grass roots orginzations fighting for our rights AND we need to have powerful lobby type groups like the NRA dealing with the political crap in DC. What I don't think is helpful is fighting and name calling amongst the average Joes on forums. We need to be informed, debate, discuss, and unite as one against those that want to take away our rights to bear arms that were paved by our founding fathers. Great discussions guys, sometimes we (me) get so caught up in our own hunting and fishing we forget about the bigger fight. Thanks for the reminder guys and try to stay civil amongst ourselves. ;D

Thanks Geno.

"would think a lot of shed bucks are accidently harvested under the unlimited doe category." Not as many guys out there in the single didgits as you would think, only us obsessed wackos ;D and these deer are insanely spooked after 5 months of being hunted. I can't speak for other hunters but with a bow at 20-30 yards we're pretty good at seeing where newly falling racks were and if we see an exceptioanlly large bodied deer with no rack we let them walk. On the other hand they have an huge herd, hence the unlimited doe, so I guess a few accidently taken during the Jan/Feb season hasn't really affected the verpopulated suburban herd. I let a 5 and basket 8 walk this weekend. I am only hunting a nice buck and mature does at this point

Depends on the zone. For winter bow the two I am hunting both start on Jan 1 , one ends on Feb 12 the other Feb 19, One buck unlimited doe, 3 point rule in effect. In the Fall they both start around the 2nd week of Sept. have to take antlerless before buck and it's unlimited doe. Worth the $135. On espot is 10 minutes from my mother in laws the other is about 50 minutes from my mothers.

DO toes, back, and runny noses count as equipment? ;D SO far I haven't yet! (knocking on wood) I have heard many stories of guys not being able to pull their bows back in severe cold. I'm 6ft'2 230 LBS and my bow is only at 63 lbs so I don't have any issues in the cold, yet.

Last weekend it was 6 degrees in the stand and it looks like it will be 6 again this Saturday, thanksfully Sunay should be a balmy 29. There's something cool about fighting the elements with a bow. FYI it's winter bow in NJ.

Besides just DMP's I would the think the herd would fluctuate due to harsh winters that follow poor mast years. Hard snow winters where the yotes can move better the deer, increase in yote and bear populations, new housing development, decreased farming, heavily logged areas. My point is there are many factors the increase and decrease the herds. PS also areas that are heavy in turnip farming tend to chase away the deer too

Hope it helped, if you have any other questions shoot me a pm with your cell or day time number.

try this ;D ;D 3 cups diced peeled turnips 1/4 cup water 1 cube chicken bouillon 1 tablespoon butter, or more as needed 2 tablespoons white sugar Directions Place the turnips into a skillet with the water and chicken bouillon cube over medium heat, and simmer until the water has evaporated and the turnips are tender, about 15 minutes. Stir in the butter, let melt, and sprinkle on the sugar. Gently cook and stir the turnips until the butter and sugar cook into a brown, sticky coating on the turnips, about 10 minutes. Serve hot.

If it's about CWD then I say no baiting or feeding. If it for any other reason and the deer are being feed properly not just corn then I say ok. Not everyone can afford to plant a food plot or has access to orchards, farms etc.... and there's a ton of stress put on the herd during bad winters especially if there's been a poor acorn harvest.

For deer season the state is bascially cut into 4 parts- northern and southern, westerchester, and Long Island and their seasons are different this covers the whole state deer wise http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/28605.html#deer the maller areas are for DMP's or more commonly 'doe tags' the regular lisc, bow muzzy, rifle/shotgun can be used basically everywhere with a few exceptions. SOme areas are bow only and some areas you can't use a rifle just a muzzy or shotgun. If the maps don't help the easiest thing is figure out where you are hunting and call the local DEC with your specific questions. Hope this helped. In NY you get gun/muzzy/bow Licenses the Permits are for does(DMP) and a few select areas in the southern zone. It's not like in NJ where you get a lisc. then a permit, then a.... Hope this helped

Interesting point there, but since deer aren't protected it's apples to oranges. Out west when a protected animal destroys livliehood the govn't pays market price for the losses. Wolves and cattle, sheep, etc.... The rancher gets market price for each head lost.

HAHA Hey I'm AR all the way man with two exceptions- young hunters should (and they can) take any legal buck and any animal no matter how big or small that is truly causing financial damage.

LI I was involved in a permit last year that was very similiar. It was 24/7 but does only at first. Problem was after a while the does wised up and a lot of them stopped coming into the produce but the bucks were hammering the farmers lettuce. The farmer was then issued either sex but they asked that we not shoot anything more then 5 points and we had to turn the heads in. I hated shooting bucks, even if they were smaller ones but I hated seeing the damage to the farmers crops more.