court support yeah right

[WNYBuckHunter]

BTW, I think the MR2 costs about $50. Alot less expensive that the stocks, etc.

[Doc]

Wrong again Doc.  I encourage all gun owners to do everything they can to try and vote the evil out of office.  I want them to do everything they can to try and make a difference.  Because when they exhaust every resource at their disposal and find it was all in vain anyway, they will then finally realize what they are dealing with in this state and this country.  Don't you think gun owners in California and NJ have been trying?

 

Once you let them take your rights, you can NEVER get them back using THEIR system.

 

I lived in NJ when all of this happened decades ago under Gov. Florio.  I moved to NY to get away from NJ's "assault weapons" law.  I warned NYers not to allow it to happen here and people scoffed at the idea.  I encouraged all I knew to join the NRA and every other gun rights group I could think of, only to be attacked for the idea.  Some on here even attacked the NRA as extremist and not worthy of their membership.  I have a very low tolerance for stupidity, so I just sat back and watched it happen while I started making plans to escape from NY.  That was an interesting movie by the way, and if you watch it today, it has some very prophetic lines for NY residents today.

 

I will be moving again soon because I need to find a state that has proactive voters that believe in gun rights, not one that has reactive voters that are willing to let them be taken in the first place.

 

If you think I'm the problem here Doc, you really do not understand the problem.

Yes, it sounds like you have developed a pattern of running away from challenge. eventually, you will be running out of places to hide. Frankly, I would never have let Florio drive me from N.J., and I refuse to let Cuomo and his kind drive me from N.Y.  I'm just not the type to run. And I'm not the type to discourage pro-gun forces from working what ever resources they can muster to create change. I see nothing positive in any of that.

[Mr VJP]

Good Luck with that Doc.  NJ elected officials who voted for the ban were thrown out in the very next election.  The same thing happened in California.  The newly elected officials made excuses as to why they were powerless to repeal the law.  20 years later, NJ's still on the books and new proposals are about to make the restrictions worse.  There's no going back once it's done.

 

There's no honor in accepting a challenge from an opponent that has the fight rigged.  You'll only get creamed.  I don't see it as running from the state.  I see it as a protest.  I show it by taking my fortune and my tax revenue away from them and giving it to state officials that deserve it.  Sort of like what the gun manufacturers are doing, but on a slightly smaller scale.  I'm not hiding, I'm escaping, and living life the way Americans are supposed to live, with Liberty and Justice for all!

[Doc]

I don't see it as running from the state.  I see it as a protest.  I show it by taking my fortune and my tax revenue away from them and giving it to state officials that deserve it.  Sort of like what the gun manufacturers are doing, but on a slightly smaller scale.  I'm not hiding, I'm escaping, and living life the way Americans are supposed to live, with Liberty and Justice for all!

Call it whatever you want, but it still comes down to running in the face of adversity.

[Mr VJP]

And I will still have Liberty and Firearm rights, while you will have an endless battle that could've been avoided if people in NY were proactive and had foresight.  People get the government they deserve, and I'm not going to fight and sacrifice for people who don't deserve, or appreciate it.

 

Sometimes it's better to cut your losses and move on.

[bubba]

And if we lose control of the house in November there will be no place to hide. What will you do then leave the country

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[Mr VJP]

Nope.  I'll be very active in getting the first state to secede from the union.  And like the last time that happened, things will move forward from there.

[philoshop]

Ya gotta win the battles before you can win the war.

[Mr VJP]

TRUTH!

[bubba]

Oh so you do not want to stand up until all the federal laws have been passed. I ser

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[Mr VJP]

Only then will gun owners in America realize how serious this issue is, and what the government's agenda is.  Maybe we'll get some support from the general public at that point too, as the government will then move on to taking their rights as well, starting with the 1st Amendment.

 

I think it will be quite ironic when folks who hated gun owners, start begging us for our help.

[bubba]

Why do the gun owners in  other states have to be concerned?  They do not have the unsafe act.  Why not fight it now and bring it to the attention of others and stop it before it gets to that point?  That is like saying oh I will fix the brakes on my truck after I get in an accident. Then my neighbors will wake up that I need help changing my brakes.  It truly makes no sense.  

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[Mr VJP]

Trust me, gun owners in other states know all about the NY Safe Act.  Most of them find it comical and feel it shows just how liberal and stupid residents of NY are.

 

Like I posted before, California and NJ, as well as Mass, Conn, MD and other states have already shown how the fight will go.  Newly elected legislators won't touch repeal once elected and the laws will stand.  Each state must decide for itself how much oppression it will allow, and many will allow a lot.  When Federal laws force too much oppression on ALL of the states, that's when you will see an uprising from people who will not allow it.

 

Why do gun owners in other states have to be concerned??  Have you no clue what goes on outside the state of NY?  All firearm ownership is under attack in every corner of the country in one form or another.  Any gun owner who isn't concerned is a fool!

 

[bubba]

I really think I have a bigger clue than you do.  that is why i am fighting it at every level not planning to run away and hide until it goes federal.  .I did not say other states did not know about the safe act., I said why do other states have to be concerned about it.  Your response totally ducked my point.  But I am really beginning to question you motive in this thread anyway.  It more seems to me you are here to sabotage than support. 

[Mr VJP]

No need to sabotage something that's already destroyed.  Good Luck with your fight.  I've been there before and can see a lost cause from a long way off.  As they say, you can't put a broken egg back into it's shell.

[bubba]

no but you can scramble it and eat it.  How do you think if itis such alost cause here, that is it not going to be naytionally?  You better pack up for Canada Eh.

[Mr VJP]

Because residents of some states are not as passive and apathetic about their rights and will fight to prevent laws like the Safe Act ever getting passed nationally, or vote to secede from the union afterwards.  NY, being a Leftist Progressive majority, will never do that.

[tony m]

Because residents of some states are not as passive and apathetic about their rights and will fight to prevent laws like the Safe Act ever getting passed nationally, or vote to secede from the union afterwards.  NY, being a Leftist Progressive majority, will never do that.

 

It is slowly going to happen in each state.  Texas is having much liberalization, especially in Austin.  We have been spending more and more time in Pennsylvania getting the resistance word moving there also besides NYS.

 

We are working on having a Northeast Coalition develop in unity.

[philoshop]

I said it earlier. Let me rephrase it.

You can't back down from a major battle and expect to win the war.

People around the country are watching what happens here, and in CT. We are the front line with regard to 'gun control'. The support is generally outstanding, IMO.

Quite honestly jumping ship is something I've given serious consideration. Granted it has more to do with the business climate and the general economic decline of the state, but second amendment rights is a big part of why I'm sticking around for a while.

There is an opportunity here to stand up and be heard, loudly and clearly, that the constitution is the law. I can't back away from that right now because I feel there's just too much at stake. As much as it hurts me financially, I'm not going to run from this fight right now.

[bubba]

http://www.cato.org/blog/supreme-court-wasnt-serious-about-second-amendment

 

 

all the more reason not to wait for the courts to fix this.  not gonna happen.  But you can pray at a legislative meeting.