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A New Spin on the Mute Swan Controversy


mike rossi
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If you had a chance -

To block a measure that would…

  • Be harmful to native wildlife
  • Be harmful to wetland habitats
  • Be harmful to the conservation fund
  • Blocks new hunting opportunity
  • Allows Animal Rights Organizations to over-rule the DEC
  • Emboldens animal rights organizations and sets new precedents on policy decisions

Would you act on that chance? Here is your opportunity. Sign this petition and ask others to do the same!

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/832/485/616/veto-s-065889-a-and-a-08790-a/

 

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More, postscript:

 

Invasive species indirectly impact EVERY species and every habitat because limited conservation funds become diverted away from native species to abate problems caused by alien species. This is magnified when animal rights organizations drive politics which FORCE wildlife agencies to abandon the most effective and least expensive methods in favor of non-lethal methods.

 

Non-residents of NY Please speak up! Since every state splits Pitman Robertson funding with all the other states per a formula, when my state does not spend wisely and operate efficiently, it affects you... Furthermore impacts on wildlife which travel across state lines needs to be considered in the same light. That isn't all, when one state or locality protects a population of an invasive species, as this legislation directs NY to do, that state or locality becomes a "source habitat" from which the invasive spreads and is essentially a constant source to surrounding states.

 

After you sign, where can YOU solicit signatures: Social media including groups and pages; Forums; hunting clubs and shooting ranges; state and national clubs; your email contacts who hunt; letters or emails to magazines – including the NY Outdoor News.  

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Instead of the public commentary on these birds the DEC should have just quietly added them to the daily bag limit during the normal duck season. No one would have been the wiser..And by using the word ERADICATION on already sensitive subject they basically nailed the coffin on this issue.

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Instead of the public commentary on these birds the DEC should have just quietly added them to the daily bag limit during the normal duck season. No one would have been the wiser..And by using the word ERADICATION on already sensitive subject they basically nailed the coffin on this issue.

I am not positive, but I believe the DEC is required by law to open up a public review period for almost all regulation changes and conservation plans.

 

What they could have done, was launch their educational outreach before revealing the plan. What they did do instead was make the outreach one of the strategies included in the plan.

 

Speaking of outreach, that is interesting. Is the lawmakers and the antis going to CENSORE the outreach or tell the DEC what they can say to the public about mute swan ecology? This is really ridiculous. Nothing in the outreach is going to be palatable to them. Will they say, no DEC you cant say that, you have to tell them that mute swans are no harm to the ecosystem and are peaceful creatures etc... They already essentially said the DEC doesn't know what they are talking about and/or needs additional research on top of the existing volumes... We tried to point this out and it hasn't hit home yet...

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Signed! We need to get on this and stop people the people who no nothing about this, tell the DEC how to do their jobs.

 

And, in doing so they are also directing the DEC to spend the money of hunters less efficiently. Yes, the money of hunters. I will give you ONE example; and I want to stress that this is ONE example of many ways the state conservation fund and federal funds derived from hunters will be impacted....

 

Part of the demands of the antis and lawmakers is for the DEC to set up a mute swan adoption program. The federal government through the BLM already has a captive herd of over 50,000 wild burros and horses. The captive herd has been growing because the adoption rate is very low. Meanwhile the free ranging herd continues to grow on BLM lands and increasingly impact native wildlife. The cost of maintaining this program is tens of millions annually and this has been going on for many years. Does the state of NY really need the expense of a captive flock of mute swans?

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We have promulgated information on how absurd this controversy is on a variety of levels, including how it will impact policy decisions in the future.

 

One of the articles I posted apparently is being dissed, I don't quite understand it, but one post gets quadruple the traction as the other, with the only difference is a comment and several "likes" from the peanut gallery which seem to signal don't waste your time opening the link. Well, I am saying the opposite - open the below link and  read and share this article:

 

http://nydovehunting.weebly.com/new-insights-into-the-mute-swan-issue.html

 

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