Don't Continue to Subsidize Anti Hunting!

[mike rossi]

Help our friends out in NJ legalize Sunday firearm hunting. Only 11 states do not allow full Sunday hunting and this is impacting all of us as Pittman Robertson Funds are pooled from all the states and then distributed back. The lost funding opportunity to the PR program caused by 11 states that do not allow Sunday hunting and 8 states that do not allow mourning dove hunting is yet to be quantified. (But it will be)... The collective loss over the decades is certainly very large (9 digit or more). Every passing year more economic and conservation fund opportunity is lost. Don't continue to subsidize anti hunting, sign the petition!

 

 

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/613/895/250/new-jersey-sunday-hunting-bill-s699/

 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Help our friends out in NJ legalize Sunday firearm hunting. Only 11 states do not allow full Sunday hunting and this is impacting all of us as Pittman Robertson Funds are pooled from all the states and then distributed back. The lost funding opportunity to the PR program caused by 11 states that do not allow Sunday hunting and 8 states that do not allow mourning dove hunting is yet to be quantified. (But it will be)... The collective loss over the decades is certainly very large (9 digit or more). Every passing year more economic and conservation fund opportunity is lost. Don't continue to subsidize anti hunting, sign the petition!

 

 

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/613/895/250/new-jersey-sunday-hunting-bill-s699/

Mike, do those 11 states that don't allow Sunday Firearms hunting sell licenses on a day to day basis or for the season? I wouldn't think the Sundays would effect PR moneys because the license would still be sold.

[mike rossi]

Mike, do those 11 states that don't allow Sunday Firearms hunting sell licenses on a day to day basis or for the season? I wouldn't think the Sundays would effect PR moneys because the license would still be sold.

 

PR Funds do NOT come from license revenue. They come from an excise tax on hunting-related products. License revenue is used to leverage PR funds, which are actually matching grants that have to be applied for. States most often use license revenue for their end of the match... 

[mike rossi]

We are contending , however, that Sunday hunting will  result in more license sales as well as additional PR funds. It will also increase both recruitment and retention of hunters.

 

Here are some reports on the economics of Sunday hunting (we are looking into having an economist do one for dove hunting, by the way)

 

http://sundayhunting.org/PDF/SundayHunting_EconomicImpact.pdf

 

http://sundayhunting.org/states/

 

http://sundayhunting.org/SundayHunting/states/NewJersey.cfm

 

 

Edited January 25, 2015 by mike rossi

[Jennifer]

I do know a number of folks that might quit hunting if they could only hunt one day a week during a given season (can't get time off from work). I don't know how numerous they are, and sure they aren't as "into" it as most of us here, but at the same time it seems like a hurdle. In some states seasons are short and may only have one or two weekends. Casual hunters are important too. So, are less people hunting in states where there is no Sunday hunting? I don't know for sure but could it hurt anything to open Sunday hunting in these areas?

[Jennifer]

Sorry Mike-- I got too excited and posted before I saw your links. I will read them now.

 

EDIT:

So it seems the main opposition to Sunday hunting has a few complaints according to this link: http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/01/you_comments_should_new_jersey.html

 

Opponents cite the peace and quiet of no-hunting days, along with safety issues. Hikers, joggers, bicyclists, birders and others say they should have access to the outdoors, including public trails, without having to worry about being in range of gunshots.

 

 

I'm a little baffled and trying to look at it from a non-hunting point of view. I don't live in these areas so it's hard for me to imagine that there would be any more peace and quiet from having one day of no hunting? I live in a rural environment and even so my neighbors, cars, and dogs disturb the quiet far more often than the occasional gun shot I hear during open seasons. I imagine in more suburban environments, "neighbor" noise is worse? It was when I lived in other parts of the country...

 

Also, why is hunting on Sundays any less safe than any other given day?

 

 

Edited January 25, 2015 by Jennifer

[Elmo]

Not sure how it's effecting states that ban Sunday hunting but if they ban Sunday hunting here in NY it would really put a damper in my hunting.  Outside of taking some days off from work during deer season, all my hunting is limited to weekends.  If I have plans on Sunday, I'll hunt Saturday.  If I have plans on Saturday, I'll hunt Sunday.  Not being able to hunt Sundays would really cut into my time in the woods.

[mike rossi]

The Economics of Sunday Hunting by State

 

Reports have been compiled about the subject of Sunday Hunting by Dunham and Associates; Southland Associates; and Responsive Management. (See links at bottom) NYDH is looking into them compiling a report on the lost opportunity to boost general economic activity AND conservation funding in the 8 lower states that do not allow dove hunting.

 

NYDH also wants to quantify the additional Pitman Robertson Funds which the eleven states that do not allow Sunday Hunting and eight states that do not allow mourning dove hunting would generate if these bans were lifted. It seems to be overlooked among the hunting community and politicians that federal Pitman Robertson Funds, although are distributed back to states at a formula-based rate; the Fund itself is a pool of money each state contributes to. The smaller this pool (fund); the less money available to each state. In theory, the formula divides this money both fairly and to where it is put to use. However, the formula only considers land available for hunting and number of active hunters based on the previous five year average license sales.

 

Besides the potential deficiencies with the formula used to distribute PR funds among the states; the lack of FULL participation among states should be considered. Rhode Island for example, cannot be expected to compare in neither open hunting land acreage nor license sales to states like New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Texas. However, Rhode Island, to it’s credit, does allow both Sunday Hunting and mourning dove hunting. Only one other northeast state (NY) allows Sunday Hunting and only one other northeast state (Pennsylvania) allows mourning dove hunting. To get back on track to the germane point, being that Rhode Island does everything in its power to maximize both hunting opportunity and conservation funding, yet receives among the least Pitman Robertson Funds. Based on the favorable performance of Rhode Island’s wildlife agency, legislature, and hunting community; perhaps with a larger allocation of federal wildlife restoration funds they can do even better. Rhode Island actually might be a leader among the states in driving favorable hunting-related policy with the least to work with. Kudos to Rhode Island! Should the formula used to distribute PR funds penalize small, populated states that allow FULL participation or should it be restructured to penalize other states which by prohibiting Sunday Hunting and/or mourning dove hunting thereby actually subsidizing anti-hunting at worst and failing to maximize PR contributions at best?

 

Further Reading:

 

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http://sundayhunting.org/SundayHunting/states/NewJersey.cfm

 

http://sundayhunting.org/states/

 

http://sundayhunting.org/PDF/SundayHunting_EconomicImpact.pdf

 

New Organization, Check out their petition, face book page, and Twitter page:

 

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/613/895/250/new-jersey-sunday-hunting-bill-s699/

 

https://www.facebook.com/NewJerseySundayHunting

 

https://twitter.com/NJSundayHunting

Edited January 25, 2015 by mike rossi

[mike rossi]

And we live in a state that does allow Sunday hunting. To us it is a no-brainer that banning Sunday hunting in NY would in fact impact license sales, participation, and both breeds of revenue. It would also impact us as individuals. From our perspective, it is difficult to understand the perspective of HUNTERS in other states who oppose legalizing Sunday hunting. I am sure hunters in the 41 states that hunt doves are likewise baffled by the opine of some hunters against dove hunting. I do not want to bash bow hunters, but it cannot be denied, that the hunters in Jersey who are opposed to lifting the Sunday ban are mostly bow hunters. (Jersey does allow Sunday bowhunting) There has also been some opposition by waterfowlers as well in that state. Wait until Jersey gets a mourning dove bill, how many times do the archers think they can oppose pro hunting bills and get away with denial they want a monopoly? 

Edited January 25, 2015 by mike rossi

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Thanks for clearing up the PR funding, Mike. I thought a portion of the license sales was direct to PR. Didn't know it was only one avenue that could be used as a matching funds.

[Mustang51js]

The only reason guys have that oppose this is they are saying all the deer will get shot,and bow hunters that don't want other people in the woods. It's getting rediculous on the njhunter forum with a few people. My question to mike is does it have to be nj people to sign the petition,if not we could post on other state forums that do not allow Sunday hunting to get the ball rolling.

[mike rossi]

The only reason guys have that oppose this is they are saying all the deer will get shot,and bow hunters that don't want other people in the woods. It's getting rediculous on the njhunter forum with a few people. My question to mike is does it have to be nj people to sign the petition,if not we could post on other state forums that do not allow Sunday hunting to get the ball rolling.

 

Residents carry the most weight, but everyone should sign this petition.

 

There is no consensus among biologists that Sunday hunting will stress game populations and I am not aware of any individual biologists disagreeing with that consensus. Why can you fish on Sundays but not hunt?

 

The bow hunters are indeed opposed to this, as they enjoy Sunday hunting without gun hunters and want to keep it that way.

 

Misinformed waterfowl hunters are also opposing Sunday hunting because waterfowl seasons set by the state must be no longer than 60 days per the USFWS. They are concerned that seven or eight Sundays will count toward the 60 days and that could prevent encapsulating migration. However, if this is a concern, the waterfowl task force can create split seasons and/or allow Sunday hunting but close a weekday. This is why most states restrict crow hunting to certain days, it is nothing unusual. The waterfowl task force revises seasons EVERY August and comments from the public about waterfowl seasons are taken at this time. Most of those running their mouths about this don't even participate in this annual stakeholder input  This needs to be stressed to the waterfowl hunting community, because they are purposely being mislead so that they oppose Sunday hunting. 

[mike rossi]

Mustang51js and others engaged in the NJ controversy need to put the following in their fodder:

 

Sunday Hunting for Waterfowl in NJ
One of the premises of those opposed to Sunday hunting is that Sunday hunting would compromise waterfowl hunting by shortening the season. This rationale is based on the guidelines known as “federal framework” handed down to the states by the US Fish and Wildlife Service. Primary management/conservation authority over migratory species is the USFWS. Secondary authority or jurisdiction if you prefer, is each state wildlife agency. Basically this means the USFWS sets parameters the states must work within in setting hunting regulations for migratory birds. A state may set regulations more restrictive than federal guidelines, but not less restrictive.
The USFWS allows states to set duck hunting seasons no longer than 60 days. The season does not have to be continuous; it can be “split”. Waterfowl seasons do not have to be split, however they always are, because doing so maximizes hunting opportunity because it encapsulates non-migratory resident birds; the species-specific differences in migration timing; and weather events that drive or stall migration.
Crows are also migratory birds which hunting regulations are guided by federal framework. In an effort to extend crow hunting season over the greatest span while keeping within the maximum number of hunting days allowed under the framework; state wildlife agencies have adopted a strategy which restricts what days crows can be hunted. For example in NY, crows may only be hunted on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays, and Mondays. In Pennsylvania crows may only be hunted on Fridays, Saturdays, and although a state prohibiting Sunday hunting, crows are one of the exceptions and may be hunted on Sundays. New Jersey and the other states also adopt the same strategy in setting crow seasons.
Another way NJ and other states maximize hunting opportunity is by dividing the state into zones with seasons set in each zone based on migration and weather patterns. NJ has a “sea duck area” and three waterfowl zones; Northern, Southern, and Coastal. Not only can hunters drive to other parts of the state and hunt in different zones; sometimes they have to, because the northern zone may be frozen or birds may not have arrived in the southern zone yet. State biologists and the hunters on the waterfowl task force are aware of the timing of weather conditions and migration patterns of birds by species – and seasons are set accordingly. Hunters who are not on the task force have direct input to these seasons every August if they choose to participate in stakeholder input.
New Jersey, if it adopts Sunday Hunting, has several options to prevent “shortening” of waterfowl seasons. The NJ Division of Fish and Wildlife and the waterfowl task force are familiar with these strategies and have used them before. (They are in fact currently in use). The simplest action would be to open Sunday and close a weekday.
A likewise simple action would be for parts of NJ adopt New York’s Long Island Zone season structure, which allows hunting all seven days of the week. No doubt many of the birds that stage on Long Island feed the Raritan Bay and other parts of NJ. That being the case, how in the world would Sunday hunting in NJ be disadvantageous? NY set its Long Island Zone season for 2014-2015 as follows: (Keep in mind hunting allowed all seven days including Sunday). Ducks: November 27 to January 25; Sea Ducks: October 17 to January 31; Brant: November 27 to November 30 and December 21 to January 25: Snow Geese: November 24 to March 10; Canada geese: Western Long Island: October 11 to October 19 and November 27 to march 4; Central Long Island: September 2 to September 30 and November 27 to February 4; Eastern Long Island: September 2 to September 30 and November 27 to February 4. Long Island also has a Youth Waterfowl Season that was set for two days: Saturday November 22 and Sunday November 23.
Recapitulation:
Strategies for Setting Waterfowl Hunting Seasons already in practice for many years throughout the USA:
1) Split seasons
2) Divide into Zones
3) Restrict certain days. Crow hunting seasons use this strategy, but do NOT prohibit hunting on the days hunters are most likely to be afield. For example, most states allow crow hunting on Fridays and Mondays, because of three day holiday weekends or tendency for people to use vacation time on those days. Saturdays and Sundays as far as we know, always open days for crows. Pennsylvania, which prohibits Sunday hunting, does allow crow hunting on Sunday. From the perspective of increasing hunting opportunity, (if) closure of one day is deemed appropriate, do NOT close Sunday and certainly not Saturday, but rather a weekday.

[The_Field_Ager]

I can understand folk wanting quiet on their one day off, but if they are really serious, they need to ban lawn mowers and other gas operated gardening gear on these days. These things are far more intrusive and annoying than a few gun shots. I can't stand the endless droning of people cutting their giant and pointless lawns.

Edited January 26, 2015 by Papist

[mike rossi]

OOPs, well maybe oops, POST SCRIPT / CORRECTION:

 

Please Re-tweet #SundayHunting and #SundayHuntinginNJForAll

Is the premise that Sunday hunting will reduce waterfowl seasons even true? Not according the following, (we will make an inquiry to the USFWS to determine which is correct and report back). If determined that this premise was incorrect, do we assume it was an intentional lie or incompetence on the part of those asserting it? This is why the hunting community needs to be cautious about what source if info it follows and believes! This sort of misinformation also leads to debating mute points, thereby distracting the true issues at hand and hindering positive movement – (are they dishonest and crafty enough to do this intentionally or just talking out of their element)?

In the 1960's, the Wildlife Resources Commission proposed eliminating the Sunday ban in order to gain additional days of waterfowl hunting under the pertinent federal regulations which govern that sport. These regulations count Sunday as a hunting day, and North Carolina loses waterfowl hunting days each year as a result.

In other words, according to that paragraph, a Sunday hunting ban causes waterfowl hunters to lose a day, not gain a day. This is the direct opposite of the assertion made by some NJ waterfowl hunters who state Sunday hunting will result in shorter seasons….

[Culvercreek hunt club]

OOPs, well maybe oops, POST SCRIPT / CORRECTION:

 

Please Re-tweet #SundayHunting and #SundayHuntinginNJForAll

Is the premise that Sunday hunting will reduce waterfowl seasons even true? Not according the following, (we will make an inquiry to the USFWS to determine which is correct and report back). If determined that this premise was incorrect, do we assume it was an intentional lie or incompetence on the part of those asserting it? This is why the hunting community needs to be cautious about what source if info it follows and believes! This sort of misinformation also leads to debating mute points, thereby distracting the true issues at hand and hindering positive movement – (are they dishonest and crafty enough to do this intentionally or just talking out of their element)?

In the 1960's, the Wildlife Resources Commission proposed eliminating the Sunday ban in order to gain additional days of waterfowl hunting under the pertinent federal regulations which govern that sport. These regulations count Sunday as a hunting day, and North Carolina loses waterfowl hunting days each year as a result.

In other words, according to that paragraph, a Sunday hunting ban causes waterfowl hunters to lose a day, not gain a day. This is the direct opposite of the assertion made by some NJ waterfowl hunters who state Sunday hunting will result in shorter seasons….

Is this coming up because their waterfowl and deer run concurrently?

[mike rossi]

Is this coming up because their waterfowl and deer run concurrently?

 

Not at all because of that.

 

They have been using this red herring for some time, they fooled me, I admit it, but a little more investigation and now another inconsistency. As I said, even without this new knowledge, this argument is fallacious, all the other reasons I gave stand true, but it apparently wasn't necessary to even get into all that.. Bunch of morons wasting everyone's time...

Edited January 26, 2015 by mike rossi

[mike rossi]

Another thing Culver,

 

Look at how everyone supported the NJ Bowhunters on the same issue just a few years ago:

 

http://njoutdooralliance.org/legislative/alert_files/e0718766957d3410440688bef9631acb-7.html

 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I was wondering if the duck hunters were also gun hunters. The number of days would have remained the same available but it they were out deer  hunting they wouldn't be able to take advantage of the Sunday duck days. If anything every happened to Sunday hunting here again, Duck hunting would be a good fall back. I grew up hunting Sundays in Central NY.  Moved out to the Rochester area and it blew my mind that you couldn't hunt Sundays. The Change to Sundays in WNY effectively doubled the season for many many hunters without extending season start or end dates.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

Another thing Culver,

 

Look at how everyone supported the NJ Bowhunters on the same issue just a few years ago:

 

http://njoutdooralliance.org/legislative/alert_files/e0718766957d3410440688bef9631acb-7.html

Funny that the parties in favor of Sunday gun are using about the same discussion points that Bow used to get Sundays. They found them valid points at that time, Huh?

[mike rossi]

I was wondering if the duck hunters were also gun hunters. The number of days would have remained the same available but it they were out deer  hunting they wouldn't be able to take advantage of the Sunday duck days. If anything every happened to Sunday hunting here again, Duck hunting would be a good fall back. I grew up hunting Sundays in Central NY.  Moved out to the Rochester area and it blew my mind that you couldn't hunt Sundays. The Change to Sundays in WNY effectively doubled the season for many many hunters without extending season start or end dates.

 

No , as a matter of fact I suggested that duck season be closed during what Jersey calls "Buck Week" to use those additional days. It turns out, they like me, hunt waterfowl during periods when other waterfowlers take a break and chase deer. Just to be clear, as we figured out, that would not even add days, so its academic at this point.

 

The firearm deer hunters are not opposed to this. It is mainly the archers. There is some confusion among the waterfowlers as well, but keep in mind NJ only has about 10,000 waterfowl hunters, and half or more want sunday hunting. The only opposition by firearm deer hunters is some are concerned about over harvest, Again, this should not enter because not only is harvest approached separably by biologists, but mainly because NJ's deer strategy is to further reduce the herd, with or without Sunday hunting and with or without hunter approval - its going to happen...

[mike rossi]

Funny that the parties in favor of Sunday gun are using about the same discussion points that Bow used to get Sundays. They found them valid points at that time, Huh?

 

I dont see it that way. I raised that article, asking why was it cool for the archers, but no longer cool anymore.

 

The pro Sunday has been quiet actually. You are going to love this, the arguments used BY NJ HUNTERS opposing Sunday gun hunting are actually the same arguments used by the HSUS when they fought dove hunting in Michigan. No kidding... 

[jjb4900]

looks like if you sign the petition, the company who runs them uses your information and shares it with other petitions that they are involved with and will send them to you....I got emailed additional ones.....just an FYI for those who don't care to have their info used for things other than what they signed up for. I had to unsubscribe and will be more careful in the future about what I sign up for....according to the other emails I got it appears to be linked to this organization, they also appear to have anti hunting agendas as well......http://www.care2.com/

Edited January 28, 2015 by jjb4900

[Mustang51js]

I havent gotten any other emails

[jjb4900]

I havent gotten any other emails

go to the bottom of the original link and scroll to the bottom and click on "see more petitions".....or the "Care2 petitions" at the very bottom.