Microstamping legislation

[philoshop]

A California district court judge has upheld that state's microstamping law.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/handgun-microstamping-law-California/2015/02/27/id/627419/

 

For a few years now a handful of anti-gun NY legislators have been continually unsuccessful in their persistent push for exactly this kind of legislation.

Will this court decision reinvigorate that push in NY, and maybe change the minds of enough legislators to allow it to pass?

 

For those who don't know: Microstamping involves laser engraving of the firing pin and bolt face that will imprint unique identifying marks on the brass case when fired. The theory is that spent casings left at a crime scene will be immediately traceable to the gun's owner.

The biggest problem is that the technology simply doesn't work. Beyond that basic fact there are so many other pitfalls that I won't even begin to lay them out here, but I'll be happy to discuss them if you want.

Of particular concern though is that major gun manufacturers aren't likely going to comply, choosing instead to simply not sell their affected products in California. The law has effectively banned the sale of new semi-auto handguns in the state. Think about it.

[wildcat junkie]

A California district court judge has upheld that state's microstamping law.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/handgun-microstamping-law-California/2015/02/27/id/627419/

 

For a few years now a handful of anti-gun NY legislators have been continually unsuccessful in their persistent push for exactly this kind of legislation.

Will this court decision reinvigorate that push in NY, and maybe change the minds of enough legislators to allow it to pass?

 

For those who don't know: Microstamping involves laser engraving of the firing pin and bolt face that will imprint unique identifying marks on the brass case when fired. The theory is that spent casings left at a crime scene will be immediately traceable to the gun's owner.

The biggest problem is that the technology simply doesn't work. Beyond that basic fact there are so many other pitfalls that I won't even begin to lay them out here, but I'll be happy to discuss them if you want.

Of particular concern though is that major gun manufacturers aren't likely going to comply, choosing instead to simply not sell their affected products in California. The law has effectively banned the sale of new semi-auto handguns in the state. Think about it.

WTF! The firing pin & bolt face already imprint "unique identifying marks" on the brass case when fired.

[philoshop]

Very true. But the ballistics labs currently have to have both the case and the gun to make a match.

The thinking is that a unique mark on the casing that has been cataloged in a database will lead directly to the person firing the weapon. The fact that criminals rarely use legally purchased firearms and generally find a way to avoid being cataloged in the 'potential criminal' database is being overlooked by the lawmakers.

 

The whole ploy and it's supporting argument is asinine. That alone leads me to believe that it will be tried here in NYS.

[Mr VJP]

They know it doesn't work.  They see it as a way to ban handguns by around that pesky 2nd Amendment.  Besides, did you think a California judge was going to rule against it?  They are all bought and paid for by political powers in that nutty state anyway.

 

[ants]

They know that micro stamping will do one thing, and one thing only, and it isn't lower crime. It is to make things harder and harder on gun owners and gun manufacturers and to further infringe (piss) on the 2nd amendment. 

[philoshop]

A Federal District Court judge appointed by Obama made the ruling.

It's not hard at all to see the direction this is intended to go.

[Mr VJP]

The Judge was a woman from California.  That's all I needed to see.  The Bill of Rights has been banned in that state for years.

[wildcat junkie]

 I'm sure that there are those behind this stupidity that have an agenda to totally eradicate private possession of firearm., What is dangerous are those legislators that follow along in the mistaken idea that it will somehow benefit society. W/O them, the true "antis" wouldn't be able to accomplish their agenda

 

When people that know little about firearms try to define types & design concepts, the results often become ludicrous..

[philoshop]

The only people with any current interest in this are the hard-core anti's, either in government or with an 'ear' in government.

The patent-holders themselves have said it's not a truly workable concept at this point, but that won't stop the anti's. It's been used to make law in CA!!! How far behind will NY be?

 

In CA it's currently limited to new semi-auto handguns. The next step there will certainly be ALL new guns, then all guns retroactively. The goal for the anti's is NO GUNS FOR ANYONE. They're very happy to settle for the idea of simply "no guns in public hands".

There are plenty of lawmakers in NY who think this way.

[jjb4900]

didn't NY do something like this for a short time until they realized it cost millions and didn't prevent or solve any crimes........I remember buying a handgun a few years back and it came with either a spent casing or bullet in the box that the dealer kept and sent to the State Police.

[Mr VJP]

No that was only ballistic fingerprinting.  They thought they could match fired cases to guns, but turns out it can't be done and it cost a fortune to try.

 

No micro stamping was involved.

 

BTW, it's very simple to defeat micro stamping with sand paper.  You can also just pick up the brass or use a revolver.

[philoshop]

And just to be fair with the details, law enforcement and military weapons are exempt. This might certainly extend to some of the quasi-miltary organizations that are used to protect government officials and certain 'important' celebrities. Opens up a whole new concept of the 'throw down' gun.

[Borngeechee]

No that was only ballistic fingerprinting. They thought they could match fired cases to guns, but turns out it can't be done and it cost a fortune to try.

No micro stamping was involved.

BTW, it's very simple to defeat micro stamping with sand paper. You can also just pick up the brass or use a revolver.

Or order an aftermarket firing pin, swap out barrels and more. These wanna be laws are plain stupid.

[Mr VJP]

They are not stupid if the real objective is to ban the private possession of handguns.  That must be the real motive behind the legislation, since it is proven it does nothing to lower crime.

 

The stupidity is in the heads of the people who allow it to happen and vote for the elected hacks that propose and pass such tyranny.