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I'll tell you what. If I encountered that kind of gouging going on by these filthy hoarders, I would have been right in their face telling them what I thought of someone would do that sort of thing to fellow gun owners. Perhaps if these guys spent their entire day with irrate gunowners ripping them a "new one" they might end this nonsense and allow the supply to return to normal. But as long as people continue to play into their hands and buy this stuff at their inflated prices, the hoarding and gouging will likely continue indefinitely. We've got to get a little less tolerant of this situation people and start fighting back where we can and in any way that we can. A lot of people think that all we have to do is sit back and wait like a lump and all will get better. I don't think that is going to cut it. I believe that the ammo retailing system is going through some changes and perhaps permanent changes where this kind of gouging is in danger of becoming the norm.

I think you guys are too eager to give these retailers a break. They have an obligation to at least acknowledge that there is a problem. Has anyone heard word one about how they intend to alleviate the situation? Anyone seen any attempt to explain anything about their inability to supply their product? Has anyone seen any sign that they are concerned for their customers? Has anyone seen any explaination as to how they are trying to thwart the hoarders? Are they doing anything to thwart the hoarders. I want to see some concern! I don't want to see a major supplier yawning and carrying on business-as-usual without their one primary product. These are the guys who have the ear of the manufacturers. They are a major account that has some clout. At the very least they have the ability to get answers and convey them on to us out of simple concern for their customers. I'm not ready to let anybody along the chain of supply off the hook. They all are part of the system that's going to have to adapt and take action. And as a very minimum, they should have the decency to communicate to their customers with more than just sale flyers.

They have allowed their supply to their customers to be disrupted. If you can't guarantee supply then get the hell out of the business. I don't care if they are part of the problem or all of the problem, or just a symptom, but months have gone by and the situation is exactly the same and shows no sign of being fixed and not even a statement or apology or explanation or even an acknowledgement that they have a problem. Your damned right I am mad and while I may be striking out at the wrong people, I am getting sick and tired of sitting here like a lump watching this problem go on and on for month after month with no end or explanation in sight. They definitely have taken the posture of not caring about the inconvenience to their customers and if they feel the need to be sending out flyers and such, it might be a good idea to add in an occasional statement about the disrupted supply of ammo and ammo components as well as maybe at least a minimum of explanation as to what they are planning to do to remedy the situation. Are they in the business or not?

The answer really is that simple. You found the scene of illegal activity ........ Report it!

I just got another sales flyer from Midway (again). So I finally sent off an e-mail to Larry Potterfield telling him to save postage and printing costs by not advertising products that he or anyone else doesn't support with the sales of bullets and ammo components. Who the hell needs his stuff if you don't have access to bullets. No, it's not going to change anything or make any difference at all except that I finally got some of this anger off my chest aimed at those that are on the supply end of this problem and who are failing their customers. Honestly, I have no interest in buying anything gun related when I have to guard the last of my shooting supplies like gold.

I have a bit of an edge on all of this, because I placed an order with Midway just before the Cuomo surprise. So I have a bit of a supply of reloading components. However, now I am in a position of rationing my target practice because I really don't know when or if this craziness will ever end. I believe that we have started up a little cottage industry of glomming onto every last piece of ammo, and then gouging our fellow gun owners by selling to them at inflated prices. It may never end as long as people continue to make money off of the rest of us. On the other hand, since the supplies seemed to be locked up by a greedy few, not buying the over-priced stock may actually cease to become an option, if you want to continue shooting. Also, as these guys continue to artificially jack the price, the demand vs. supply situation will remain such that manufacturers may also begin adopting the inflated prices. I can see where all that might lead. higher manufacturer prices leading to higher "hoarder" prices which leads to higher manufacturer prices and up the scale it all spirals until prices get so ridiculous that no one will be able to buy. Yes, at that time demand will crash and eventually prices will come back down .... a bit. But how many people will sell their guns because of no ammo? Like I said before ... it's just another means of gun control only this time it is our own that are making it all happen.

Wow, this thread certainly has taken a weird turn .... lol.

It is a matter for the cops. If they feel it is an insignificant situation, they will simply ignore your call. I have a feeling they will take it very seriously and will make an attempt to apprehend the growers. If you have a GPS and can supply the coordinates, they would probably appreciate that.

Sounds like somebody was trying to get you out of that area by being a jerk. Just a case of harrassment.

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Regardless of how all this stuff plays out, there is at least one thing we can all do. When state congressional elections roll around, I will be posting a complete listing of how our state senators and assemblymen voted on the so-called SAFE act. I am hoping that each of our members and those that they can persuade will take the time to identify who their legislators are between now and then, and vote against those that voted for this assault on our rights, whether the law survives or gets turned down by the courts. We need to show our representatives that voting to curtail 2nd Amendment rights has consequences. It's time to show them who they work for. It really doesn't matter who is running against them. Those that voted for it have to go!

I also am a bit paranoid about mushroom identification. Some of those things are absolutely deadly, and I don't trust myself enough to absolutely know one from another. How about those white puffballs that grow to as big as a basketball. I've heard that they are edible also. I have no idea what they taste like, but I have heard of slicing them up and frying them in butter. I'm still leary about trying them. We have a lot of those around.

Ha-ha .... Before you get too comfortable with the idea, be sure to pay attention to the 2nd part of that reply that deals with getting back out of the water. After all, eventually there will come a time when getting out is necessary. Of course I am assuming that you are talking about slipping into water that is deep enough so that your feet do not touch the bottom. Also, I'm not too sure how easily legs move (as in necessary swimming motions) when you have two heavy rubber bags of water that you have to move through the water. I don't think they are recommended swimming apparel. Anyway, if you ever get a chance to try it out, let us know how you make out .... lol.

Ha-ha .... ask this question about farmland deer, and you would have at least 4 pages of comments. Big woods ..... not so much. Three actual "on-topic" replies in as many days ... lol. In true mature woods hunting, things get real difficult. And if you are relying on hunting magazines or TV programs .... forget it. It's a tough place to hunt and an even tougher place to explain how to hunt. You want a challenge? Take your bow out to the deep woods and get a shot inside of 20 or 30 yards. You have your work cut out for you. But it can be done and what a great feeling of accomplishment when you do it.

I love beaver ponds. They always become the center for so much wildlife. Generally, racoons, muskrats and mink hang around the ponds, and then the waterfowl and other birds are drawn to it like a magnet. Foxes and coyotes usually make regular visits, and the mud along the dam and some of the edges makes it a tracker's paradise. I remember when I was a youngster, I use to take some plaster of paris and make all kinds of casts of the various tracks that I would find in the mud. I had a heck of a collection, but Somewhere through the years, they all disappeared. The beaver pond across the road used to be the center of my trapline. I made a lot of bucks over there. I bought most of my traps and clothes from the proceeds of that traplin. It looks like they must drag their wood in from a distance away. The surrounding area looks a little barren of good trees.

I was thinking that too, but the cop had several opportunities to state the reason why he disarmed the guy. He stumbled around never mentioning a real law that had been broken. He was asked over and over and never had a reply other than he felt threatened that the guy possessed a weapon. And by the way, he never described any act or gesture that indicated a threat. I wonder if there will ever be a follow-up story?

I see the lawsuits as being our only realistic defense against this law. We may luck out and maybe Cuomo and his SAFE-act have some how really stepped in it this time. But my money is on the legal challenges. If they don't work, we are probably destined to live with this particular assault on the 2nd Amendment. Plus if the antis are enboldened by that success, we can expect even greater assaults to come. Also, other states can look forward to the same kind of garbage.

I'm not sure exactly how he was "baiting" anyone. I watched the whole 10 minutes, and still don't understand the actions or attitudes of the cops. I will say that if I were accosted by the cops in that way, I might develop a bit of an attitude too.

Yes, I think there is a lot of info that this guy has about some of the terrorist activity and identities. I don't believe for a minute that these guys worked alone. I kind of like the potential for getting all of the rats, or at least as many as this one can uncover. The authorities seem to be quite skillful at extracting info from these creeps. I say it probably is a good thing that they will have the opportunity to try on this one.

The ponds and canals are simply barriers that keep you from traveling a straight line. They are very obvious as the areas around them are lined with the dredgings that were piled up to form banks. There is no way that you could accidentally step into them unless you are trying to travel at night. Also, around these canals and ponds, the muskrats have pretty thoroughly undermined the banks at the waters edge and what may look like solid dry ground, may cave away under your weight. Actually, these dredged out areas are good places to regain your bearings because the banks are elevated and give you a view from above the cattails of surrounding landmarks. What these features do pose is an interuption to maintaining a straight line of travel to maintain. That makes compass use a bit frustrating, because you have to do a lot of twisting and turning to get around these things. Some of those canals are quite long and irregular in shape. Maybe a GPS unit might be more useful. If you plan on going out in an area like this, I would suggest a good detailed aerial map might make planning such a trip a whole lot easier.

That really is the question. Will this impact the whole Cuomo administration, or will just a few carefully chosen scapegoats absorb the bulk of the illegal action? Does Cuomo have what they call "plausible deniability"? I believe that this guy Cuomo is probably the most slippery slime-ball that we have seen in quite some time. I think that when he pulls off some shady stuff, he is an expert at covering his tracks and making sure that there are always an adequate number of fall-guys in place to shield him from any problems. As far as the SAFE-Act, it certainly provides a black eye for it and shows how easily abuses can occur, but I really do not expect it to cause any significant reversals. Yes I hope right along with other gun owners that I am dead-wrong. Nothing would make me happier. But I simply have this pessimistic view that Cuomo has this state locked up and it would take something that is a lot more directly linkable to his own filthy hands to drop him and his policies.

I'm going to interpret this question as asking who was most influential in forming my life in the outdoors and hunting. While this may sound a bit strange, my hunting hero is someone whose name I can't even remember. When I was a youngster (maybe 8 or so), I went through a phase of reading a lot of books. I believe it was one of the Zane Grey books that was about this pioneer type character who was known for his hunting and trapping expertise on the early frontier. That guy in that book set my imagination going into wilderness fantasies and all the activities and woodlore that that kind of lifestyle was all about. Those visions of traveling the early wilderness, caught me up in all activities involving the outdoors from camping to trapping. I learned that for me, it was all about a historical tradition and heritage of independance, self-reliance and freedom. It had very little to with killing animals even though that was part of it. A lot of that may explain why my attitudes about matters of hunting seem to come from a different direction than most. It was my enthusiasm for such things that actually got other people in our family involved in a lot of that stuff, so there was never an actual family member mentor as such. It all came from some fictional character straight out of the imagination of Zane Grey.....lol.

Belo- You of all people should be aware of what kinds of negative things can happen when people are in the minority or refuse to support the organizations and activities that they supposedly feel passionate about. Support means numbers. Numbers mean power. Power means control over how you want your activities conducted, regulated, and maintained When you lose that control, there are plenty of other people waiting on the sidelines to take advantage of weaknesses. You've seen it happen. Of course I don't believe that crossbows will even register a blip on the over-all hunting numbers. They may serve as a conduit that shifts hunters from gun season to bow season, but in terms of adding over-all hunter numbers ..... I doubt it. But I will say that we cannot and should not under-estimate how serious this problem of shrinking hunters is. Don't belittle the problem. We can't afford that kind of apathy. As we continue to lose hunters, we continue to become politically irrelevant. With animal rights people gaining in numbers, resources and influence in government, hunter declines are the dreams of these people and they certainly know what to do with any advantages that we hand them.

Ha-ha ... The one thing that I have noticed is that no matter how desparate the financial situation, the poor always seem to have enough money to pay for the dish TV, the cigarettes, and the gas for the car. But our craving for a crisis always has us grasping at foolish, irresponsible and sometimes dangerous solutions. Look, I am as much in favor of cheap local fuel as anyone, I just argue over what kinds of hazards we should be expected and willing to gamble with to get it. For some gas is God, and consequences be damned. I just like to take a little more cautious approach than that.

Sure ... think about it. They want to turn and get out of there as quick as possible. Well the only way to begin a run is my dropping down to load up their legs for that first bound. The best way to turn is to twist and lean over to push off at an angle to begin the turn. All that puts them in an inital lowered, twisted, and leaned over position. Now .... lol .... try to make your arrow follow that maneuver. The only thing you can hope for is a bad shot that the deer moves into ... ha-ha-ha.