Mr VJP

A very good read for folks who understand why the Constitution was written, and how it is being ignored today, by both sides of our "two party" system. http://www.gunnews.com/constitutional-crisis/

Another bogus report from Bloomberg's anti-gun group designed to scare the public into demanding your guns be taken away. http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/11/cnn-slashes-school-shooting-stats-claim-by-80-percent/

Overkill on small game though.

If you want one gun to hunt everything, anywhere.....you need a 12 Gauge, preferrably a pump gun. From bird shot to slugs, there is nothing it cannot hunt.

And the last step will be on your neck. The government is not your friend. The goal is complete control. Too bad too many are blind to it. Did you even bother to read the attachment? Try this one, especially fable #3 http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2006/fables,-myths-other-tall-tales.aspx

Sorry, I have to disagree. Not a good article. Bad for 2nd Amendment rights. Don't be fooled, get the facts. http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2014/5/chair-of-federal-gun-violence-prevention-task-force-introduces-wide-ranging-gun-control-bill.aspx

Different case First Light

Sounds like your average murder/suicide. America probably sees a couple of these every week. But it happened in a school and with a "semi-automatic" gun, so it plays well in the Left's anti-gun agenda.

During the Obama administration, according to Pentagon data, police departments have received tens of thousands of machine guns; nearly 200,000 ammunition magazines; thousands of pieces of camouflage and night-vision equipment; and hundreds of silencers, armored cars and aircraft. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/09/military-equipment-used-by-police_n_5475382.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl29%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D486180

If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government- Federalist 28.

More on the breaking of laws. http://conservativetribune.com/prosecute-obama/

It's what he's doing to America that is the real problem. http://www.ijreview.com/2014/06/145614-judge-jeanine-pirro-monologue-convince-even-obama-needs-impeached/

They don't want to see or read political posts, but they expect to repeal the SAFE Act. How cute.

Well, since I'm out of this state now, and glad to be so, I really couldn't care less. And like most of your beliefs and observations bubba, way off target again.

No, those are replies to attacks that mock or belittle posts where I try to debate. Like I said, let's see what happens on election day.

Let's hold off further debate until after the elections, shall we?

Let's see how many NY gun owners will debate it.

There you go again!

I notice nobody wants to discuss the main thesis of the article. Either they don't understand it, or can't argue with it. BTW Doewhacker, just because I posted a job opening I was made aware of, for the benefit of forum readers who may want a good job, doesn't mean that's where I work. And I did pass the BAR on the first attempt, but Corporate Legal in Telecom is far more lucrative. Pretty presumptuous on your part. One of your worst vices, actually. http://www.youtube.com/user/rambone5

The very fact that she has accepted the offer from Cuomo, knowing his complete anti-gun stance, makes her motives, as well as integrity, suspect. I believe the phrase is, "Offering Aid And Comfort To The Enemy".

FULL of false info,eh? You point out a few editing errors and that makes it FULL of false info? It states a "LIMITED" number of IRS agents. How many agents in the IRS? How many are armed SA"s? That's Limited! The INS is a real agency, but N stands for Naturalization. SO WHAT? Border Patrol RECENTLY became part of Homeland Security. And all of those agencies have recently been more heavily armed, which is a better way of stating it. Hollow points are for killing people. Not allowed in a war zone per the Geneva Convention, but OK for shooting your own citizens in the homeland. So now that we have picked out the few minor editing errors, tell me where the article is stating false info in total. Sounds as if you are in law enforcement Ford. So am I. Maybe you take offense at the gist of the article, so you challenge it. I see the truth, from the inside, and nothing in this article about the social and legal ramifications of government overreach is wrong. if I'm wrong, tell me where.

It's already here. What's really funny, is the fact that so-called "liberals" are leading the charge to curtail as much of our personal freedoms as possible by "Big- government" intervention. Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/06/police-state-weve-feared-never-thought-happen-america-already/#jTaUT65zR4tSxPaL.99 http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/06/police-state-weve-feared-never-thought-happen-america-already/ Don't believe it. See if anyone cares.......when you believe.

None are so blind as those who refuse to see. The terminal malady of the NY gun owner.

You see things through biased eyes, to put it nicely. You have never heard either of us bad mouth the country, just the idiot electorate and the government they support! You are too dense to see the direction indicated by others, because you are blinded by hate towards dissent with your elitist view of "solutions". My assessment of the NY gun owner is not denigration, it's conclusion. And that's based on their past practices and current direction. Even this thread mocks the one organization that might help to change the situation in NY, as far as gun rights are concerned. You trash the character of people who "offend" your ego with the truth. You sir, are the one who's radical and a threat to this country with your desire to squash other opinions with mockery. Would you disagree with any of this? Recall that Hillary did her college thesis on his writings and Obama writes about him in his books. Saul Alinsky died about 43 years ago, but his writings influenced those in political control of our nation today. Saul David Alinsky, a writer, was an American community organizer and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of the modern community organizing movement. He is most noted for his book Rules for Radicals. Died: June 12, 1972, Carmel-by-the-Sea, CA Education: University of Chicago Spouse: Irene Alinsky Books: Rules for Radicals, Reveille for Radicals Anyone out there think that this stuff isn't happening today in the U.S.? All eight rules are currently in play. How to create a social state by Saul Alinsky: There are eight levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important. 1) Healthcare– Control healthcare and you control the people. 2) Poverty – Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live. 3) Debt – Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty. 4) Gun Control– Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state. 5) Welfare – Take control of every aspect of their lives. (Food, Housing, and Income) 6) Education – Take control of what people read and listen to – take control of what children learn in school. 7) Religion – Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools. Class Warfare – Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor. Does any of this sound like what is happening to the United States? Don't lump true American Patriots in with the likes of idiots like Nichols and McVeigh.

Doc, you hope for a lot of things. 1) They won't happen. 2) Your feeble attempts, or complete lack of awareness is why they won't. I notice you tend to use the same tactics that Leftist Progressive Liberals employ when dealing with opponents that you cannot intelligently debate. Demonize their character, however dishonestly, to get the sheep to follow you and fear the opponents. Neither I, nor Papist, have ever proposed any violence in dealing with the government or it's attacks on US citizens, unless the violence starts with them. That's a God given right to self defense. We are not bashing America. We both love America and what it is supposed to be. We do NOT love the government that has turned on us and is leading this country to disaster and demise. We are bashing idiots that have no clue what it takes to keep our liberties and Constitutional rights. Entering a post with a dissenting opinion is hijacking your thread? Why not just advocate abolishing the 1st Amendment, while you willingly surrender the 2nd, 4th and for that matter, the Bill of Rights in total. When it comes to rights, you guys are certainly not the "Dream Team" gun owners would chose to defend them.