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What would happen if a fox squirrel was hit by a 20gr game point from a 17HMR at over 2000 fps? X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

I say it how it is, and if it walks like a duck... Where's that pic of the mortally wounded coyote? X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

Sorry to disappoint you, guess you were baiting me huh? That's about all I got from your post, the rest was just a mangled mess of grammar and misspellings I don't care to decode, but I think I got the gist of it. It's always the equipment, or the neighbors, or the stars and moon wasn't lined up, I get it. It's never you, because God forbid anyone challenged your ethics and skill. Shooting at a running coyote 3 times and missing everyone of them, doesn't sound convincing. You still have yet to recover that coyote. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

One shouldn't judge the expansion, or lack thereof, by looking at the exit hole. A bullet designed to expand may very well expand and expend most of its energy early on right after entry and may be left with a fragment of the bullet at exit. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

How many shots did you take at that coyote again? X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

I haven't had any issues with the trees reflecting light back with the low setting off the red emitters. It's pretty good for the woods. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

Cool rides! Careful though, some members might feel atv's shouldn't be hot pink. I think it looks fabulous! X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

Pink is the new lost camo X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

Josh, hope all is well and you and yours truly had an enjoyable Christmas, despite the hardships. Hope that the package has reached you well, and may it light your way from here on forth. I've included a universal gun mount as well as a remote pigtail so you may enjoy some predator hunting after you get back on your feet. You'll also be able to charge the battery directly from anywhere, including your future replacement vehicle. Should you have any questions in operating the different modes or accessing the hidden built-in charge port on the flashlight, or if you just want to shoot the breeze about anything, feel free to give me a ring. I tend to be long winded and go off-topic often, so you'll surely get your mind off things when speaking with me, lol! Happy Holidays Josh! X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

Blackstrap from a cow, rib eye. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

That's news to me, maybe DEC may have suppressors sooner than later, maybe. Suppressors isn't something that appeal to me aside from saving my hearing in later years. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

There isn't enough energy produced by Airguns that can effectively expand pellets near the effectiveness as powder burners. Expansion is generally not a priority in pellet design. Suppressors are not allowed by NYS law, and I believe that supersedes DEC laws. I don't believe NYS will see suppressors anytime soon. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

Happy Birthday Matt! If you were to get as smart as us, you'll actually be going backwards in IQ! X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

Hunted dark to dark, nothing. Been out pretty much every week, but not much to report. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

I think if there will be a check, it'll be up to each state. I believe some states don't allow the sale of Airguns at all. We'll see if NY will amend their regs regarding the purchase Airguns in the future. I don't believe there is a possession law regarding Airguns in NYS, as many young children are allowed to engage in the sport of paintball at the young age of 12 or so. There's also air soft as well, and would fall under the category of Airguns. I don't know this as fact, nor have I ever had to look it up. Regarding the FPS regulation, it's not really a good system to measure or judge the effectiveness of an airgun for hunting. Ideally, each caliber should be tested for penetration with standard pellets/slugs of similar sectional density and then a list of minimum KE based on those findings. I imagine that one day, it will come to this, or possibly one day Airguns will be over-regulated, just like most things gun-related these days. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

FPS will be 650, and current age restriction for any airgun is 18 I believe. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

So very true Matt. If anything, it's generally the opposite that I tend to notice, the more humble the equipment, the more work the hunter generally puts in to ensure a clean kill. Just an observation. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

Doc, no one is trying to convince you of anything. You were the one that kept asking for answers, and I was inclined to explain it to you in a way you might comprehend. Glad you finally got the answers you seek. If you think shooting an airgun doesn't require any experience to make, you are sadly mistaken, but you already admitted to not having fired one, so I wouldn't expect you to know what's involved. I wouldn't call an airgun having poor ballistic performance, but again, it's relative. Will an arrow tipped with a broad head allow for a larger kill zone? Yes. Does that make the bow a "better" weapon? You'll have to decide for yourself. Like you said, each implement is different in its our rights. I'm glad you finally see the point. As far as bullets go and penetrating the hide, all you need is the right mix of momentum and sectional density to penetrate. The real killing power of a traditional powder propelled bullet is from bullet construction and KE as well as sectional density. The massive KE that most powder burners propel bullets at allows for rapid expansion of most bullets, thus increasing its diameter, while lowering its sectional density in the cavity of the animal. This increase is what causes hydrostatic shock, which is the main killing force of a powder burner bullet. Such is not true for Airguns. It's hemorrhaging by wound channel, just like a broad head. Not a comparison, but it's the closest I'll get to explaining how Airguns kill, without using an example from an illegal hunting implement. While you're comparing traditional bows to Airguns, have you seen the video of the archer that shoots multiple arrows at multiple targets, while flying through the air? I don't know a single big bore airgunner that can do that. It really goes to show how different you can split each implement allowed for hunting in NYS. We can probably go on forever on how different or similar each implement is, but it doesn't really mean anything, as I've said, it's not about you or I as individuals. It's about opportunity for others. I just happen to be also an airgunner. Happy Holidays! X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

He shoots some expensive arrows. Sorry to see he was gut shot and unrecovered. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

Let me try to break it down for you Doc. You speak of getting into bow hunting for the "super challenge". Some of which you referenced as muscle memory, form, other disciplines as well as knowledge of deer habits and patterns. I think it's probably ok to assume that many young hunters can string a 35lb bow, the minimum requirement for hunting with one in NYS. I think it's also safe to say that most archers can hit a 8" target at a dozen(12) yards. I don't find this challenging at all, but that's just the opinion of one person. What I do find challenging is the ability to shoot past 50 yards and hit your mark, every time with a bow. And there are people that do that, all the time. Shooting at this discipline will require much more talent, practice, and dedication to the previous for most people. These archers probably think what I view as a challenge, is a joke, similar to how I probably view shooting a target at 12 yards. So my point being, challenge is relative to each individual. Is it a challenge to shoot a big bore airgun and take deer? You'll have to shoot one yourself to determine that. No one else can tell you how challenging it is. So with the "challenge" part out of the way, let's get on with the rest. You speak of deer habit and pattern, as if a gun hunter doesn't need to know these things. Is it easier for a gun hunter to stumble upon a deer and get a shot off? Yes. But the same hunter, if he so chooses, can do exactly the same as an archer, with the exception of being 500' instead of 150', and the ability to do it earlier in the season. Which brings the question of seasons and regulations, if all else being equal, how different is it from someone wanting to use a bow or muzzleloader during regular gun season? A huge advantage that I can foresee is the ability for youth and the disabled to use this in urban areas where rifles and shotguns are not allowed. What are their alternatives? 35lb vertical bows or crossbows. Surely you can understand that there may be some people that prefer or can't meet those requirements but would still want to be quiet and possibly hunt near urban areas, right? You speak of tradition. Undeniably, the bow and crossbow has been around forever and has great history. I, myself, am fascinated by how a stick tipped with a bone propelled by a stick and string can be turned into a lethal tool. But that's not why I bow hunt, and frankly, why I bow hunt is not of importance in this topic, just that I bow hunt, just like I gun hunt, and also that I airgun hunt as well. Opportunity is the name of the game for me. If you want to talk history and culture and tradition, you can reference Lewis and Clark and the Girandoni air rifle, in which case, is much closer to our current culture than our modern day "compounds". Frankly, I can't think of a more traditional way to hunt than with an airgun, something that many Americans grew up shooting as kids. That's the type of tradition I can relate to. You wonder and question the adequate performance and limitations of the implement. The ballistic performances isn't much different than that of a broad head from archery equipment. Both implements primarily kill by means of wound channel and hemorrhaging. The precision of today's Airguns are very capable of being sub-moa, can the same be said about most archery equipment or that of most archers? You expressed concerns of performance and cost comparison. You're kind of comparing apples to oranges now. One can purchase a bare Mathews bow for a cool grand and still spend an additional $500 on accessories. Or one can pick up old bear recurve or longbow for next to nothing. The same can be said about Airguns, how much do you want to spend? You reference your .270 and cost comparison, but caliber really isn't a factor here. Ask Biz how much his Weatherby costs. I've probably spent more on my .243 than most have on their entire collection of firearms, but does it make it anymore efficient or cost effective? Certainly not. Cost is truly irreverent here, especially if I can make it up in ammo in no time at all. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

Why use a bow? Perhaps that question, might have the answers you seek. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

Do what? Trapping or hunting boars? It's prohibited. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

Point is Doc, reasons has been given. It's obvious though that these reasons don't suite you, as you've clearly stated. But guess what? It suites others, and that's the point. For someone that bow hunts, I'm very surprised by your lack of understanding. And no worries about me feeling bad, stopped that a long time ago. Now I just help others that's trying to get into the sport, whether it be with bow, gun, or airgun. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

I have. Saw a fox and couple deer there. More squirrels than anything else. Signs of coyotes as well. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems

There's many things that doesn't concern "you" doc, but luckily, this isn't about "you". It's about airgunners. Thanks. X-Calibur Lighting Systems http://facebook.com/XCaliburLightingSystems