noodle one

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is that why I can't post what I wrote

I am taking the wife, daughter, and son inlaw on a day trip to Cabela's for a little shopping and site seeing tomorrow 2/20/2011. I am thinking about picking up some Blackhorn 209 to see how it shoots. I have used 777 now for about five (5) years . I have been using 100GR with good results out of my Knight Revolution. I have been doing some reading up on Blackhorn and it sounds like it is a pretty good powder and is easier to clean your gun after shooting. I would like to know if anyone on here has used it and what you think about it? Also what is a good load and what buttet weight have you found works good with Blackhorn? Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, noodle one

Looks a lot baiting. If you want to call that hunting, well each to there own.

Looks like baiting to me. Must be you can bait in NJ. Not my kind hunting.

Can anyone tell me why the DEC is against feeding deer with suppiemental feeding in the winter. I know that they say CWD is one of the reasons , this is misleading and leave many people misinformed. I know that once someone startes suppiemental feeding ,they must continue through the winter, because if they stop it will do more harm than good. There is no connection or any scientific prove that suppiemental feeding of deer will cause CWD. The state of Wisconsin has a big problem with CWD and they also allowed baiting of deer. So baiting and suppiemental feeding of deer was one of the first things they did a indepth study and found no connection what so ever. The DNR issue a statement saying that they could not find any substantial prove that CWD is caused by baiting. The state of Pennsylvania allows suppiemental feeding of wild game throughout the year. PA does not allow baiting of deer or bear and all suppiemental feed has to be removed 30 days before seasons open. There are many people in PA who feed deer year round, and if the PA PGC had any scientific prove that feeding of deer had any connection to CWD, they would outlaw it all suppiemental feeding. Now can anyone tell me the reason NY DEC does not allow the suppiemental feeding of deer.

About (10) ten years ago while bow hunting I found a rub and scrape line that looked to be used by a decent size buck. Good size track in scrape. I hunt off the ground so I had to find a place to set up for a shot. The only deer that I saw was a big mature doe when ever I was set up there. Being a ground hunter, I move around alot to keep the deer guessing. I took a nice ( point that I had been working at another setup site, so I didn't give much though about the other buck. The first day of gun season I took another nice buck (7) point. The only tags I had left where (2) two doe tags that I was saving for ML season. Week (3) three of gun season ,I got a call from my brother inlaw wanting to know if I knew where he could fill his doe tag or get a shot at a buck. He told me that he wasn't seeing anything and wanted to get a doe for some meat or maybe get a shot at a buck. I told him to come on over the next morning and I would take him into a spot that I had no doubt in my mind that he would get a doe. I had hunted this spot many times in the past and have always seen many deer there. I got him setup and told him that I would move to another part of the woods and wait to hear for a shot and if I didn't hear him shoot within three hours ,I would work my way back to him. I had no sooner left and walked up on (3) three doe that were working their way to him. I let them pass and waited 15 min. with no shot coming from his way. There was snow on the ground and there was deer tracks all over the woods. I went down to where I knew that the deer always came from. It is in the same area that the rub and scrape line was from early bow season, that is where I was seeing the mature lone doe. I hadn't sat for half hour and here comes a deer up through the woods working it way to me. It looks to be a nice doe. It got to with in (20) twenty yards and turned side ways and put its head down and I could see that it was a spike buck ,so I let it walk. I got back to my brother inlaw and told him about the spike and he told that he never saw a deer, why I don't know because there was all kinds of sign . To make a long story short he had to be out of the woods by noon. So we left the woods. I didn't go out again until ML season. I was working my way to the same spot where I had set my brother inlaw and was almost there when I spotted a doe coming my way and at (25) yards it was broad side and looking right at me. I say to myself " nice doe" . When my smoke pole went off , she jumped and ran (20) yards and went down. I walked up and looked down and I see a very dark spike and I am thinking ,oh no I shot a spike. I picked it's head up and there is another very dark spike on the other side. I am thinking ,how could this happen. The deer was looking right me and I had put the scope right on her head and never saw a horn. I got to looking at the horns and see that the bases are bigger than a spike and they had been broken off about (5) ins. up from the base. They were a good (1 to 1and a half in.) in circumference at the base. The horns came out and up along side the ears and dark in color, and that is why I couldn't see then. They looked to be part of the ear. Here I am with a buck and no buck tag. There is no way that I am going to let this deer go to waste. I gut the deer out and took it to about (50) yards from the road and let it lay. I went home and called my brother and asked him if he got he ML license and did he had a buck tag. He answer yes to both and I asked if he wanted a buck and told him what happen . He told me that he would be right over. We went up and he taged the deer and we put it in the back of his truck and he went home with the buck. Call me what you want, I know I broke the law. I know a game warden would never had believe my story. It was a honest mistake and I have never told anyone about it until now. I did what I felt was right and the deer did not go to waste. I have always said that if you are man enough to shot it , then you need to be man enough to take out. I am just glad that my brother had a tag for it ,because I would have gotten it out some other way. I was not going to let it go to waste. Has anything like this happen to anyone on here? What do you think, did I do the right thing?

They are all really here. Saw my frist one 10 years ago off of RT41. near McClure. I also know someone who got trail cam pictures last year in West Windsor. Say what you want and laugh all you want, but I know they are here.It is the same thing with fisher cats. If you tell people that they are around ,they look at you like you are crazy. They have been around here for the last 5 or 6 years,Windsor (7s) .

Any one on here do any steethead fishing on the Salmon River? I center pin and would like to know what others use. I have been wanting to get up there , but with this cold weather I think that I will hold off until it breaks and warms up some.

I see then all the time during spring turkey season. This has been going on for the last 10 years or so. I have seem some big bears and some small ones. I have been calling turkeys and have then come up the hill looking. Sometimes they get a little to close for comfort ( 15 to 20 yards) and I would standup and say something to then to get them to move on. I live in Broome Co. ( 7s ) and we have a lot of bears around. In the fall when out deer hunting ,I don't see a one. All I see are tracks, so I know they are there. I wish there was a spring season for them so I could get one. To me the only good bear is a dead one, because they do a number on the fawns, as much as coyotes or more so. If you want to hunt bears, please come to Broome Co. (7s ) and kill them all.

I see PA is thinking of opening spring turkey all day. What are your thoughts on this for NY? I for one am all for it, most of the hens have been already been breed and have laid their eggs by the time season has opened and you can get some kids out for the afternoon hunts. Most of all the states have all day spring hunting, why not NY?

Now, Now boys play nice. Johnney if you don't stop this min. ,you will have to come in and Billy will have to go home. You Bobby I am going to call your mother. All you little boys need to learn how to play nice.

Next you are going to say that the Indians were the first conservationist. Indian were opportunist as hunters and that it. They would move from place to place and killing every thing they could and then move on. If they found one deer they would kill it or if they found ten deer they would try to kill all ten. Yes if I lived at that time ,I would have done the same thing. Indians were not true hunters ,they were opportunist who did what they had to so they could survive. If you want to learn more, look it up in the history books. Nowadays if you took game like an Indian, you be arrested, imprisoned, or fines if you used some of his techiques. the Indian hunter was't a sportsman. Though he enjoyed hunting, he took game in the easiest way whenever possible because he hunted to eat and to obtain hides and furs. They also would bait deer. A good book to read (Modern Hunting with Indian Secrets). Check it out and read it and them tell if you still think Indians were true hunters.

If some people replying to this post think that native American and pioneers of old where true hunters, they need to rethink their thinking. If we hunted like the Indians and pioneers, we would all be outlaws. If you read the history books on how the Indians and pioneers hunted you would see that they did everything and anything to take deer, even jacklighting. They would paddle the river and lakes with a fire in the bow of their dugouts useing big flat stones to reflect the light as the deer came down to drink. They also used snares more than they did their bows. OUTLAWS YES, TRUE HUNTERS NO.

What do you use for scent control and how do you use it? What about cover scent, what do you use and how? First I want to tell you that I bow hunt off the ground, not in a treestand and I need to be extra careful with scent control. I found that baking soda works the best for me. About one month before bow season, I wash all my hunting clothes with baking soda and put them in a large plastic garbage bag and then I cut some pine branches and put them in with the clothes and seal the bag until hunting season. On the days that I hunt ,I take a shower with non-scented soap and then I use baking soda just like I would a body powder and put it all over myself and in my hair. When dressing I put baking soda in my hat and a little in each pocket, I also put some in my boots. I always play the wind. I have had many deer within (5) yards of me and never spook, this year I took my buck at (15) fifteen yards as I sat in a downed tree top. I have taken many deer with my bow and I won't shoot at one over (20) tweny yards. To me this is the most exciting way to take deer with a bow, on the ground, eye ball to eye ball and up close. I don't use cover scent all the tme, but when I do,I use red fox pee and carry a small bag of Q'Tips and dip then in the fox pee and set them out (5 to 10) feet all the way around myself, some high and some low. This is what I have found that workes best for me. So come on and tell us what you use and how.

I have a Bushnell Trophy Cam and it works great. A little more money ($250.00) than you want to spend. I also got a lock box for it ($35.00) If someone wants to steal it they need to cut the tree down and bears can not get into it.

This one is a tough one for me to anwser. I fish the Salmon River for winter steelhead and some people would call that ice fishing, but I am fishing open water. Yes there is ice on the edges of the river and sometimes slush coming down river. When jigging through the ice ,most people use short jig poles. (2 to 3 feet long) and most people who fish regular use a pole that is ( 5 to 8 feet long). When I fish for steelhead, I use what is called a noodle rod that is 13 and 1/2 feet long. I don't know what to call it , other than winter steelhead fishing.

I think we should have our season like New Mexico State. One tag ,one deer, buck or doe. Kill your deer and you are all done, no more tags. When you buy your license, you must pick your weapon that you are going to hunt with and that's the weapon that you hunt with all season. They don't have any individual season for any weapons. Bow hunters hunt along side gun hunters. One season, one deer.

While I am all done hunting deer this year. In a hour and half the wife and I are being picked up to be taken to the airport to head out to CA. to visit our son and to do steelhead fishing. Good luck to all.

I wish some others here would step up to the plate and tell us their hunting stories. When I started this post, it was to read others interesting stories, not hogging the page with my stories. But, I was thinking back about some hunts that I had and this one came to me. I haven"t thought about this hunt for many years. This hunt took place in the mid 60"s. I don't remember the exact year, but I do remember that I was on a party doe permit with (3) three others. In our group, was my brother in law, his son,my nephew and a friend of our's and myself. At the time I lived next to the Susquehanna River and my brother in law and nephew lived just up the road from me. The side that we lived on was shotgun and the other side of the river was rifle and still is. Our doe permit was for rifle country that ran from the other side of the river , out to the other side of Deposit, (20) Twenty miles away. I liked and hunted shotgun. My brother in law and nephew and our friend all liked and hunted rifle country. So when it came time to get the permit , I got voted down for shotgun and we got it for rifle. At that time the only person who could shoot a doe had to be carring the permit. We also set a rule that we all had to be hunting together for that person to shoot a doe. We draw cards to set the order for who could shoot the doe. Lucky me, I was no.#4 in line. The (3) of them liked to hunt the state land in Stilesville, north of Deposit. I couldn't blame them because they always got their bucks down there. I hated hunting there. I went down there with then three times so one of them could get a shot at a doe and as it always happen the one carring the permit didn't see any deer. It was my turn to carry the permit and hopefully get a doe. That morning over coffee, they were talking about going to Stilesville and I said no way ,that I was not hunting Stilesville. They were not happy with me and asked where I wanted to hunt. I told them that I wanted to hunt the mountain just across the river and I knew that there was a nice buck running over there. They were not very happy ,but they agreed. When we started out that morning we had 6 ins. of new snow on the ground. Good tracking snow. My brother in law dropped my nephew and myself off on the far side of the mountain to work our way down the ridge, still hunting, not driving. My nephew's rifle was not shooting right, so I told to take mine and I would hunt with my shotgun. I had a Ithaca Mod.37 12 ga. deer slayer with a redfield 1x4 scope. and it would shoot like a rifle out to a hundred yards. My nephew said he was heading right up to the top and I said ok I would work the front side, and off he went. As I was working my way along the front side .I cut (5) five sets of fresh tracks. I set out to see were they would take me. After a while they headed for the top and I stayed with them. When I was amost to the top I notice that there was only (4) sets of tracks going up ,so I got down and really started studying the tracks.and notice that (1) big track was moving down hill staying in the other tracks. I follow the track for about 60 or 70 yards down hill and then no tracks going down hill anymore. Moving real slow I started back up looking off to the sides and about (10)-ten yards back I could see where a deer have jumped off the side. I moved very slowly following this track. I had gone about a hundred yards and looked to my left up the hill and there about 30 yards laid a (6) six point buck looking at me. I couldn't move. I didn't move and he stayed there looking at me for (2) two min. and then got up real slow and turned and walked up over the top. I waited a couple of min. and got down low and moved very slow up to the top. There was some nice big woods to see all around and there he was standing a little over a hundred yards looking straight away with his tail facing me. I put the crosshairs on the back of his head ,thinking with the drop it would hit him in the neck or if it dropped more it would be right up his pooper which is a good shot, a little messy but still a good killing shot. At the shot he flipped up in the air and over backwards and never moved. I figured I hit him in the middle back of the neck. By the time I got up to him , my nephew was calling me on the walky talky to see if it was me who had shot and I told him that I had shot a (6) six point. He said he would be heading over to me to help. It took a good (10) min for him to get to me and then we stood talking for another (5) five and the deer never moved. all this time my gun was up against a tree about five feet away. My nephew said come on lets get him cleaned out and I said at I didn't know where I hit him and to make sure he was dead. About that time the deer started to get up like a drunken sailor. and my nephew put one in his neck to put him down for good. When we pulled his head up out of the snow my nephew said ,"I though you said you shot a (6) six point." There was only one antler with (3) three points and the base on the side. We looked at the base and could see where the slug had hit just above the base. We have to look around for a little bit before we found the other side in the snow. I had only knocked the buck out with my shot. No I did not get a doe that day, but the next day my nephew got one.

Larry, Enjoied reading your story. It took me back to many morning waiting for the sun to come up and seeing what mother nature has to share. Thankyou for sharing.

I enjoy hearing and reading about pass stories of old hunts with interesting twist. If you have one,please let us read about it. I wrote this story on the old Empire site last year and thougth maybe some of you would to read it here. My story takes place in the late 60's. When I was young man, my life revolved around deer hunting. I would eat, sleep, and think about it all day if I could. At the time of this hunt I was working at SUNY-Binghamton (state job) . I retired from there after 35 years as a plumber. Back then the state did not pay for over time work, but compensated workers with time off. I would work all the over time I could get during late winter, spring ,and summer to have time off for deer hunting. At the time I hunted (2) two states (NY and PA). This hunt took place in PA. . It was the third day of the season, late Nov or early Dec. year 67 or 68. The night before the hunt there was a snow fall of 5 to 6 ins. and calling for more the next day. When I awoke the next morning to head down to were I hunted in PA., there was a good (10) ten ins. on the ground and still snowing. At the time I was driving a Red VW Beetle, a great little car in the snow and would go anywheres. I headed out at 4:30am to drive the 60 miles south. I got to my hunting spot around 7 am. When I got there the snow had let up a little and there was a good foot on the ground. When I started my walk into the woods there were no others hunter or cars in sight, I had the woods all to myself. I walked a good half a mile in and never cut or saw a track all the ways in,just white snow. I got to the spot that I wanted to watch and sat for a hour and a half without seeing a thing. During that time it snowed off and on. and when it did snow it came big and side ways. After sitting there I got to thinking I needed to get of the wind and snow and headed out to my car for some coffee and head to a swamp that I knew of. I was less than a hundred yards of my car when I cut a track coming from down low. I knew the deer had just came through a head of me because of all the snow that had been falling. Fotget the coffee, I have a deer track to follow. I hadn't gone 50 yards ,when a nice buck jumped up in front of me , no time for a shot. He headed out with me on his track. It started snowing again and his tracks were filling in fast, that's how hard it was snowing and coming side ways. I was headed for a tree top that was down and when I came around the other side there he was , not (10) ten yards looking at me. A big ( eight point. He was as surprised to see me as I was seeing him. Off he went without getting a shot at him. In (3) three or (4) four jumps he was gone in the whiteout. Off I went again with his tracks filling fast. If you looked at the tracks with no snow falling you would think that were a day old. He took me down off the hill and into woods that I had never been in before and into a big swamp. Around and around we went until he kicked up (4) four other deer. He stayed in there tracks for a while and I had all I could do to figure out his tracks. I wanted to stay on him because I knew it was just a matter of time. He finally headed out of the swamp and up a hill in to big woods again. It had stoped snowing and things were starting to look good for me. He took me up the hill to a big field with a old barn in the middle of it. He headed across the open field with me on his tracks. When I got the middle of the field ,I stop and looked around and I could see a main road and said to myself, I have no idea where I am. I will figure the way to get out after I get the deer. That is the way I hunt. So on across the field I went. The buck took me down over a bank into a gully and then turned and headed up the gully back towards the big woods. He went up the gully for about a hundred yards and then cut back up the bank to the woods. I knew this was my time to get my shot. I knew that he would go up in the woods and stand to see what was following him. I took off running another hundred yards up the gully and stopped. I got down low and worked my way up the (20) foot bank of the gully. I sat next to a tree and started looking up in the woods to see if I could spot him. At the time I was carrying a 30/06 with a redfield 3x9,a great gun that I hand loaded for and could drive a thumb tack with. After a few min. I spotted him up under some smaal pines. One little problem. He had met up with the (4) other deer . I could see his head ,but could not which one was his body , they were all close together and I didn't want to hit a doe. All this time I was looking through my scope. After a little bit I picked him out and put the cross hairs on his shoulder and started to squeeze off the shot. I squeezed and squeezed and nothig happened ,the gun would not firer. What was wrong? Had the gun froze up on me with all the wind and snow. I looked down and saw that I never took the safe off all this time while looking at the deer. I took the safe off and was being the gun up when the buck turned and walked over the top and out of sight. I said to my self that he had won this day, because I didn't know where I was or how to get back to my car. It was 3:00 pm and I had to find my way back to my car. There was a good 18 ins. of snow on the ground and I needed to get going. I headed back down the gully toward the main road I saw from the field. I came out about 500 yards from the road and there was a small clearing heading toward it . I had gone about 20 yards when someone blew their horn at me from behind. I turned around and there sat (2) two PA game wardens in their car. I had been walking on a dirt road and didn't know because of all the snow. They asked me where I came and I told then. They asked if I was driving a red VW beetle and I said yes, they both looked me and asked? "How the hell did I get over here. I told then about the buck and tracking it. They told me that I was 15 miles from my car . They said I needed to go back down the road that they just came out from for 7 miles and turn at the first left and go another 7 or so miles to the cross road and make another left to my car. Thankyou. As the crow fries about 6 or 7 miles. I started out down the road and cussing those game warden for not offering to give me a ride. I had gone about 5 miles down this road when it started snowing hard and blowing side ways. I had to turn my head sideways to keep the snow out of my eyes. While walking this way and looking off to the side I see a deer and it is a nice buck. I quickly slip down the bank before the deer sees me for a shot. When the deer comes into a opening I take my shot. Oh no I missed , an easy shot and I missed. The deer turns and starts running away ,I look for a another opening and find one out ahead him .I put the cross hairs there and wait for him to fill the scope. He is in the the scope and I take the shot and down he goes. I walk out to him and he is done . I gut him and start for the road. When I get to the bank I set my gun against a tree and start up the bank with him. I had not pulled him a yard when someone behind me said "nice buck". I never heard this father and son pull up in their Jeep. They asked me if I just got him. and I said yes. They told that they knew he was crossing there everyday and that was why they were out there. They asked where my car was and when i told then and about buck I tracked. They asked if I was the one up by the old barn and I told then yes. Then they asked "how the hell did I get here. I told then the whole story and they laughed and said come on ,we will give you a ride back to your car,Thank god. They helped me tie the deer on top of my car and scend me on my way. The deer that I got was a big 7 point. and thanks to that father and son for helping or I would still be draging I got home about 8:00pm, A long day, but a good day.

2011 yes, legal only in gun season, not bow season

What is the one thing you do that you feel puts the odds in your favor to a successful hunt? I am talking about something that you do every time before walking into the woods. Some thing that you must check or do. Myself I check the wind before I do any thing else, the first thing in the morning, I check the wind. I want to know which way , how hard or mild it is blowing . This tells me when ,were and how I am going to hunt. I hunt only on the ground and to me checking the wind is more important to me than any else.

Way to go Jonathon, congratulations to you, and your dad for taking you fishing. Now all you have to do is ,get him to take you for steelhead. If you think getting a salmon was fun, you just wait till you hook up on a steelhead and they dance across the water. You will never forget it. When my son was your age, he and I would go fishing all the time and to this day we still do, and he is 37 years old. My son now lives in CA. and he home is only one half mile from the American River and I have been out there fishing with him the last (2) two years. Next Tues. Nov.30 , the wife and I are flying out to visit our son and his family and we wiil be fishing every day for steelhead. My son also has a son, he is only (1) one year old, but I know that when he is old enough to hold a rod that his dad will have him out there fishing with him.