Four Season Whitetail's

Really its just a question! Its obvious that not just you but many think its ok to treat some animals different than others. If somene has no problem baiting a bear and shooting him with a crispy creme in his mouth they should have no problem dropping that 10pt with an apple sucker in his chops. Same as running a bear up a tree with a dog and taking him out or have that dog run that 10pt around in circles for you to catch up and pop him! Numbers of animals really has no matter with their taking!

So you would have no problem with Baiting, Trapping and running deer with hounds in Ny? Some will argue that any of the above is not true hunting! Just shooting animals!

There always seems to be some kind of fight in Ny. If its not them telling me what kind of animals i can raise on my private tax paid property, its telling me what kind of gun i can own. Never ends but i have to say that after my rights have been stepped on for so many years( Backed up by some on this site) I find it REALLY funny how those same people react now that they are involved and feeling a bit raped!

Would you feel the same way if we were talking about the Whitetail Deer?

Bingo!

Really...Bear Trapping! That's one I am sure many would jump on. The other 2 kinda brings up the..Fair Chase..thoughts in some minds. Just missing the fence!

They will never take away hunting guns. How would they line their pockets with all that hunters cash. Muzzy and The Bow's would not cut it!

Shawn White didnt get it done but did some crazy stuff on that board. I think his time may be over. All 3 medal winners were alot smaller and lighter than he is. Little more limber i guess. He had a great run though!!!

I would be,Breakin the law,Break,Breakin the law!

Was she a good sized fawn? We have had some deer porn going on here for the last month or so. 80lbs fawns and up and healthy will come in and get bred late. This is late though for a wild deer. July,August born fawns have a tougher time going into their first winter. Would love to see the pic's Maybe you could text them to one of the Mod's on here and they could post them for us!!

CHRONOLOGY OF SIGNIFICANT EVENTS IN THE HISTORY OF CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE. Year Event 1967 CWD was first identified as a clinical disease in captive mule deer at the Colorado Division of Wildlife Foothills Wildlife Research Facility in Fort Collins, Colorado. 1978 CWD was officially classified as a Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathy (TSE). TSE's include scrapie in sheep and goats, Mad Cow disease in cattle, and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease in humans. 1979 CWD was first recognized in captive mule deer and black-tailed deer at the Wyoming Fish and Game Department's Sybille wildlife research facility. CWD was diagnosed in captive elk for the first time. 1981 The Colorado Division of Wildlife identified CWD in a wild elk, marking the first documented case of CWD in a wild cervid. 1985 The Colorado Division of Wildlife confirmed the presence of CWD in a wild mule deer for the first time. The Colorado Division of Wildlife attempted to eliminate CWD from the Fort Collins Foothills Wildlife Research Facility by treating the soil with chlorine, removing the treated soil, and applying an additional chlorine treatment before letting the facility remain vacant for more than a year. The effort was unsuccessful. The Wyoming Fish and Game Department identified CWD in a wild mule deer, marking the state's first case of CWD in a wild cervid. 1996 CWD was found for the first time outside of the Colorado/Wyoming CWD "endemic zone" in a captive elk farm in Saskatchewan. 1997 CWD is identified on several captive elk facilities in South Dakota, marking the first documented cases of CWD in the state. 1998 June 1998 and again in June 1999, elk shipped to Oklahoma from an alternative livestock facility near Philipsburg were confirmed to have CWD. 1999 The Nebraska Game and Parks Commission discovered CWD in a wild mule deer, the state's first documented case of the disease. CWD is detected in a captive elk facility in Oklahoma, marking the first time the disease was found in the state. In November and December 1999, all 83 elk at the Philipsburg facility in Montana (the source of the CWD captive positive in Oklahoma) were destroyed. 2000 CWD was found in a Saskatchewan mule deer, marking the first time the disease was found in the province's wild cervids. 2001 South Dakota discovered CWD in wild white-tailed deer for the first time. Nebraska discovered CWD in a captive white-tailed deer facility for the first time 2002 The Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources detected CWD in wild white-tailed deer, the state's first documented case of CWD. The New Mexico Department of Game and Fish discovered CWD in a mule deer near White Sands Missile Range. This is the first case of CWD in the state of New Mexico. The Minnesota Board of Animal Health confirmed the presence of CWDin a captive elk, the state's first documented case of the disease. The 1st International CWD Symposium was held in Denver, Colorado. The Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources detected CWD in a captive white-tailed deer, the state's first documented case of CWD in captive cervids. Saskatchewan detected CWD in a mule deer outside of the province's previously delineated CWD containment area. The Illinois Department of Natural Resources discovered CWD in a wild white-tailed deer, the state's first documented case of CWD. The South Dakota Department of Game, Fish and Parks discovered CWD in wild elk from the Wind Cave National Park. This documented the first case of CWD found in the state's wild elk populations. The first case of CWD in Alberta was found at a white-tailed deer farm near Edmonton. Wyoming confirmed the first case of CWD in a mule deer west of the Continental Divide. 2003 The Utah Division of Wildlife Resources detected CWD in a wild mule deer, marking the state's first case of CWD. A dot blot ELISA test for CWD, developed by VMRD, Inc., was licensed for CWD testing. United States Department of Agriculture licensed a CWD dot plot (ELISA) test developed by VMRD, Inc. The test analyzes retropharyngeal lymph node samples and has a turnaround time of approximately 24 hours. U.S. Senator Wayne Allard (R-CO) introduced a comprehensive bi-partisan bill targeted at coordinating and increasing federal response to CWD management. Rep. Ron Kind (D-WI) introduced two bills created to assist states in combating the spread of CWD; the National Chronic Wasting Disease Task Force Establishment Act and the Chronic Wasting Disease Research, Monitoring, and Education Enhancement Act. The United States Department of Agriculture approved a second-generation CWD test developed by Bio-Rad Laboratories, Inc. Congress approved a bill that includes $4.2 million to expand research on CWD in wild deer and elk populations. 2004 Agriculture Secretary Ann M. Veneman and Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson announced creation of a federal interagency working group to identify gaps in scientific knowledge about abnormal prion proteins and promote coordination of prion research projects by federal agencies. CWD was set as a national priority for piloting a Wildlife Disease Action Plan by the Canadian Councils of Resource Ministers. The Wyoming Game and Fish Department discovered the presence of CWD for the first time on the east slope of the Snowy Range Mountains in the north-central part of the state. The Nebraska Game and Parks Commission confirmed a case of CWDin a white-tailed deer near the town of Grand Island. This is approximately 250 miles east of the Panhandle where all previous cases of CWD had been documented. 2005 The Colorado Division of Wildlife identified a case of CWD in a mule deer south of Colorado Springs. This is the farthest south on the Front Range that CWD has been detected. The New York State Department of Agriculture and Markets confirmed the presence of CWD in a captive white-tailed deer, marking the state's first documented case of CWD. The New York State Department of Environmental Conservationdiscovered CWD in a wild white-tailed deer from Oneida County. This documented the first case of CWD found in the state's wild deer populations. The 2nd International CWD Symposium was held in Madison, Wisconsin. The first documented case of CWD in West Virginia is identified in a wild white-tailed deer. The Colorado Division of Wildlife confirmed the first documented case of CWD in a wild moose. Alberta discovered a case of CWD in a wild mule deer, marking the first time CWD was found in the province's wild cervids. The New Mexico Department of Fish and Game discovered CWD in two wild elk from the Sacramento Mountains, documenting the first cases of CWD found in the state's wild elk populations. 2006 Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks discovered CWD in a white-tailed deer from Cheyenne County. This is the first time CWD was found in the state. Researchers at the University of Kentucky found that CWD prions are present in the leg muscles of infected deer. The Minnesota Board of Animal Health confirmed that a captive white-tailed deer from Lac Qui Parle County tested positive for CWD. This is the state's first case of CWD in captive white-tailed deer. University of Wisconsin-Madison researchers discovered that infectious prions adhere to specific soil minerals where they remain infective. The New Mexico Game and Fish Department identified CWD in a mule deer on the Stallion site of White Sands Missile Range, 75 miles further north of the state's northernmost infection area. Colorado State University researchers found that infectious prions are capable of transmitting CWD through saliva and blood. The Colorado Division of Wildlife reported finding two additional moose with CWD in the northern part of the state. 2007 The first white-tailed deer to test positive for CWD in Alberta was identified by the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. The Utah Division of Wildlife Resources published an e-book addressing various modeling approaches to describe the spatial epidemiology of CWD. Research from the University of Wisconsin-Madison revealed that theinfectivity of prions significantly increases when they are bound to certain soil minerals. 2008 The first cases of CWD in Saskatchewan's wild elk population are found in the province's east-central region. Researchers from the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service and Colorado State University developed anew pre-mortem CWD test for elk. The Michigan Department of Natural Resources detected CWD in a captive white-tailed deer from Kent County. This is state's first documented case of CWD. The Wyoming Game and Fish Department discovered CWD in a wild moose. This is the first time a moose infected with CWD is found outside of Colorado. Elk meat sold at a Longmont, Colorado farmers market was found to come from a captive elk infected with CWD. 2009 Researchers found that prions are shed in the feces of early-stage CWD-infected deer. Colorado State University researchers were granted $2.5 million from the National Science Foundation to study transmission of CWD. 2010 The first documented case of CWD in Virginia is identified in a wild white-tailed deer. The Missouri Department of Agriculture discovers the state's first case of CWD in a captive white-tailed deer. The first documented case of CWD in North Dakota is identified in a wild mule deer. 2011 Minnesota's first documented case of CWD in a wild cervid is identified in a white-tailed deer. The first documented case of CWD in Maryland is identified in a wild white-tailed deer. 2012 The first cases of CWD in Missouri's free-ranging cervids are found in two white-tailed deer. CWD detected in far west Texas CWD Found in Deer at Iowa Hunting Preserve. First case of CWD found in captive Pennsylvania deer. 2013 First documented cases of CWD found in Blair and Bedford counties in Pennsylvania wild white-tailed deer. Click these links for more information CWD Videos FAQ Overview CWD Timeline Map Magazine Articles © Chronic Wasting Disease Alliance The biggest thing to remember is that cwd prion came out of the same man made research that they found/invented the sheep scrapie prion. If you research how many cases of sheep scrapies happen every year in sheep herds..In the same states that have cwd..it will make ya go hmmmm. Funny thing is..When they find a positive sheep herd that has scrapies they walk in, pay the farmer top dollar for all his animals,walk out the door and kill every one of those sheep, tell the farmer to scrape up some poop and clean some water buckets and then give him the ok to repopulate that farm in 30 days! Now a deer farmer gets cwd somehow,,Same prion as sheep.. They walk in, Kill all the deer on the property, give the farmer a big,,F-U for any kind of payment for his animals, Make the farmer take the top 4 inches of topsoil off the landscape of the total farm/preserve and make them keep the fence up for 5 years with no animals being allowed to walk on that land. Same prions different animal,different name for the disease!

Fair answer but i have to ask if you are one of those guys that think...I read it on the internet, so it must be true? If you dont thing these groups will tell the public what they want them to know to secure a personal agenda, I feel for ya. You have heard of the Govt right?

I thought i would show this seeing though cwd has been spoke of as of late. Just a few things i dont understand? CWD confirmed in Will County deer Posted: Friday, February 7, 2014 10:51 am Robert [email protected] The first case of chronic wasting disease in a deer in Will County was reported Thursday — the result of testing of a deer killed in the Kankakee Sands Preserve between Braidwood and Wilmington. The deer was killed Dec. 10 in the culling program by the Forest Preserve District of Will County to control population density at the preserve. As a result of the CWD confirmation, the Illinois Department of Natural Resources has requested culling an additional 20 deer from Kankakee Sands and adjacent preserves south of Illinois Route 113 and west of the Kankakee River, the FPD announced. DNR also will be culling deer on property it owns at the adjacent Wilmington Shrub Prairie. Its policy when confirming CWD is to remove more deer from the area to maintain deer herd health and reduce the spread of the degenerative neural disease. If additional deer test positive, their meat will be disposed of. If they test negative, the carcasses will be sent to a processor and the meat donated to a food bank, as is done with other culled deer. DNR will pay for processing or disposal, according to Marcy DeMauro, the forest district executive director. DNR's request for additional deer culling in the Kankakee Sands region will be considered at the Feb. 13 Forest Preserve Board meeting. The forest district's winter culling plan called for reduction of the Kankakee Sands deer herd by 21. District biologists estimate that DNR's decision to cull 20 more will result in a population of about 23 deer per square mile in the Sands area, which would meet the district plan of maintaining a range of 20-30 deer per square mile. CWD infected deer have been confirmed previously in counties adjacent to Will County, but not in the county itself. Since CWD testing began in Illinois, 408 deer have been confirmed with the disease in 11 years — the bulk of them in the Wisconsin border counties of Winnebago (Rockford) with 145 and Boone (Belvidere) 127. DeKalb County, south of Boone, has had 50. Adjacent to Will County, and not far west of Kankakee Sands, Grundy County has had 10 confirmed cases in the past three years, three of them last year. Kendall and DuPage counties, also adjacent to Will, each had one last year. CDW has been confirmed in a dozen northern Illinois counties, with Will, Grundy and LaSalle the farthest south. So i have to ask? They say cwd will run rampant in a herd and wipe them all out. But here we have an OVER POPULATION of a herd in an area and one has cwd. How can this be? Does the states dec depts not say this will wipe out all the deer? So the next statement they say they are going to now kill 20 MORE deer in an area because they found cwd. Really! Kill more HEALTHY deer in an OVER POPULATED area because they may have cwd? The next statement is they are going to go to another area, totally different than where they found a case of cwd in an OVER POPULATED area and kill more perfectly healthy deer. I just cant grasp the fact that most everywhere they find a bug that is going to kill all the animals in an area its always an OVER POPULATED area. Like the Wind Cave Elk Herd where they released cwd positive elk out of an OVER POPULATED area out into public land!! It seems to me if you put the pieces together its..Whenever the find cwd somewhere its not because its killing all the animals. cwd in fact seems to be making more animals. Just cant fathom how something (cwd) the so called experts want us to believe is going to kill our animals is in fact doing none of the same!

Doc asked the question and in your answer or statement you threw your cwd thoughts also so lets not think this this is a one sided thing and truth be known, from here on in any question about feeding deer will have cwd brought up in the conversation. That is untill its proven one way or the other in which so far it has not been!!

Well no sh!t sherlock. Is there anywhere is your little story that says if that elk was already half starved to death before anyone steped in to help. You are so full of it if you think for one second that deer cant be fed all winter long an survive just fine. Have had lots of practice and see it done everyday but you live in your little fantasy world while the rest of us on the hill save our deer! As far as your cwd post. I showed you under oath the words straight out of a court room from one of, if not the best when it comes to cwd, whom's words may indeed cost the taxpayers of Iowa millions of dollars in lawsuits from the farms that they killed animals on and locked down their property over cwd. Period. You want to believe all the crap the dec and Dept of Ag blows up your skirt, you have at it. You say you believe them when they say it can be passed by all these fluids, Well show we one place in the over 40-50-60 years that they have been looking at cwd where cwd has been found in that body fluid. With all the knowledge and background you seem to think you have, that should not be a tough one for ya!!!!!

I know i like what i am seeing in the ar area i hunt. By the way its getting so hard to get a permit to get on the property there are a bunch of other hunters that feel the same.

Believe it or not, the deer in my area leave my high dollar food when it gets bad in the hard part of winter and go to the thickest spruce forest they can find on Ft Drum. I think thats where many are thinking wrong when it comes to feeding deer. Up on the Tug Hill the deer live in 6 to 8 feet of snow. They cant get to corn or any other food plots because the snows to deep.So their stomach acid changes so they can eat woody bark and such and live off it. Thats why when you start dumping corn and alfalfa in front of a deer in a deer yard in the middle of winter can starve with a full stomach. But now the deer say down near Letchworth and areas where alot of you guys live you dont get so much so for a long period where the deer cant paw down to a food plot or corn field so their body acids do not change as much and you could save a herd by feeding them if it got real bad in the middle of winter!

Good post. Its all smoke and mirrors used by you friendly dec and the jobs that are saved by using cwd as an excuse. A live test will be here soon so it will come to a head in due time. Your post of people feeding this year...Oh if i could only say. I will say that if you have where you are,what i have here as far as snow and you have deer wintering in your area. Im sure they would not turn down a SMART handout.

Or the hundred or so living, and doing very well, in my buddy's corn field up in the town of Rutland. Those deer have been eating corn from Sept untill now with no harm done to them. 100lbs bag of corn givin to a deer that has never seen corn would not be a good thing but most deer any of us see would do just fine eating corn all winter as long as they have already had it in their diet earlier in the fall.

So true and it was on track untill you made a statement against someones post and it seems that you still want to bold print a bunch of outdated,unproven cwd material. I guess testimony,under oath, in a court of law from the countries top cwd researcher telling you just what he has found cwd to be and not to be is not good enough for you. That research shows that there is no proof and never has been that cwd can be spread by any body fluids. The only negitive of feeding wild deer, that have no food is that its 100% going to die if you dont and the ones that know what they are doing and know the slim chance a deer catching anything that will kill it before a hunter,car or dog will, Will continue to feed their deer with great results! Chronic wasting disease (CWD) of cervids is a prion disease distinguished by its high level of transmissibility, wherein bodily fluids and excretions are thought to play an important role.(Quote) Your word thought stands out now to be we have shown tests where this has been proven to not play an important role as of yet.

A bit more you ask! Dr Miller. Q. And didn't you testify in the prior 9 proceeding that, quote, over a large scale 10 population it's been difficult to demonstrate any 11 effect from CWD? 12 A. I did. ( Dr. Miller) 13 Q. And you also testified that we have not 14 seen any clear indications of dramatic declines in 15 deer or elk numbers on a large geographic scale as 16 a result of chronic wasting disease, didn't you? 17 A. That's correct, that is what I testified 18 to. ( Dr. Miller) Q. Now, could you please turn to Exhibit 9 FFF. Now, is this a research article entitled 10 "Demographic Patterns and Harvest Vulnerability of 11 Chronic Wasting Disease Infected Whitetailed Deer 12 in Wisconsin?" 13 A. Yes. ( Miller) 14 Q. Again, if you look at the abstract, the 15 third sentence in, does it state, quote, We found 16 no difference in harvest rates between CWD infected 17 and noninfected deer? 18 A. That's what it says, yes. (Dr. Miller) 19 Q. And do you have any reason to disagree 20 with me that that's the finding of that study? 21 A. No. (Miller) 22 Q. If you could turn to GGG, please. (Attorney) 23 A. Yes. (Miller) 24 Q. And is this a journal article entitled, 25 "Estimating Chronic Wasting Disease Effects on Mule Deer Recruitment and Population Growth?" 2 A. Correct. (Miller) 3 Q. Again, if you look at the abstract, the 4 final sentence just above the term "key words," 5 does it state "We conclude that although CWD may 6 affect mule deer recruitment, these effects seem to 7 be sufficiently small that they can be omitted in 8 estimating the influences of CWD on population 9 growth rate?" 10 A. That's what it says. (Miller) Dr. Waldrup: 11 Q. Now, in Wisconsin what is the prevalence 12 rate for that state? (Attorney) 13 A. Again, looking on the -- if I may, too, 14 just to point out the numbers that I used in my 15 report, this was done last summer. Wisconsin has 16 since updated their information that is on their 17 website and the update as of yesterday they 18 reported approximately 160,000 animals tested 19 statewide and it was over 1300 were founded. 20 So, again, divide the 1300 by the 21 168,000. That's a point -- 0.8 percent prevalence 22 and I would consider that low. (Waldrup) 23 JUDGE PALMER: That was from what day? 24 When was this information pulled? 25 THE WITNESS: I saw it yesterday, the 1 20th. 2 JUDGE PALMER: What period of time was 3 that 180,000 testing sample? 4 THE WITNESS (Waldrup): That was since 2002. 5 Q. JUDGE: So it's been in excess of 10 years? 6 A. Yes. (Waldrup) (Directly from Colorado Division of Wildlife Website) CWD exposed game management units showed 24% reduction in population .... Non CWD game units showed 22% reduction .... with 10% margin of error . . . . . No difference in population for CWD units and non CWD units - WOW! Dr. Waldrup: 20 A. The first five pages came directly off 21 the Colorado Wildlife and Parks website and these 22 are population estimates of deer and it simply says 23 deer. It does not differentiate between whitetail 24 and mule deer for the data analysis units. Each 25 of the data analysis units contain different game 1 management units. 2 Dr. Miller spoke about those this 3 morning. 4 Q. And if you turn to the 6th and 7th page, 5 have you separated the game management units 6 between those that have been found to have CWD and 7 those that have not? 8 A. According to information, again, given on 9 the Colorado Wildlife and Parks website, yes, I 10 did. 11 Q. (Attorney): What was the population change between 12 2007 and 2011 for herds that were not exposed but 13 did not have findings of CWD? 14 A. (Waldrup): Well, from the population, total 15 population estimates from 2007 to the total 16 population estimates of 2011 and, again, when I 17 prepared this this summer that was the last data, 18 most recent data, on the website. 22 percent 19 reduction on the population. 20 Q. If you can turn to the next page, what 21 does this page describe? 22 A. This, again, is exactly the same thing on 23 a previous page except these were data analysis 24 units that had game management units within them 25 that were CWD positive. 654 1 Q. What was the percentage of reduction? 2 A. 24 percent reduction in population from 3 2007 to 2011. 4 Q. What is the significance or do you find 5 any significance in the difference between 22 and 6 24 percent reduction? 7 A. If you had been able to line up each and 8 every deer from each of those data analysis units 2 9 percent might be significant. However, you have 10 to -- and if it says on there these are population 11 estimates, I'm very familiar with different 12 techniques for population estimates and it's very 13 acceptable within wildlife management to accept a 5 14 to 10 percent error in those estimates. 15 Given that there could be a 5 to 10 16 percent error in the population estimates, a 2 17 percent difference in that is not significant. 18 Q. So with respect to Colorado then these 19 game units, there was no aggregate impact of CWD? 20 A. There did not appear to be. We have the exhibits showing the Colorado Website Game Management units if anyone is interested

I will give you just a little piece of the trial. Posted January 07 2014 - 11:43 AM Direct from DNR Court Case Testimony: After feeding three deer "repeated 90 daily oral doses of urine and feces from CWD positive source deer" the deer did not test positive after 12 months! By Dr. Miller: (Blood) A. This particular piece of work showed that 1 infectivity was present both in salivary secretions 2 from the infected deer. In this case they were 3 using whitetail deer and also infectivity was 4 present in blood. 5 Q. Were you a co-author of this paper as 6 well? 7 A. I was. I had more of a minor goal on 8 this particular paper than I did in the paper that 9 we just discussed, the Tamguney paper. By Dr. Miller: Crows 21 Q. I've seen some reference in the case to 22 transmission from crows who have ingested feces 23 from deer and that being a possible vector of 24 transmission. Are you familiar with any of that 25 research? 1 A. Unless there has been one that I have 2 missed, there was a paper that came out maybe a 3 year or so ago, plus one I believe, and it was 4 actually crows that were fed brain tissue from 5 mice, I think, mouse-adapted scrapie, which is, 6 again, another model and I believe they were 7 looking at the feces from the crows is what you are 8 thinking about in terms of transmission. 9 So it's kind of a pass-through 10 transmission. I don't believe in that paper that 11 there was any suggestion that the crows would 12 propagate infectivity but they could serve as kind 13 of a feathered vehicle for maybe physically moving 14 it around during the period of time that the 15 material was ingested. them. Dr. Waldrup - Feces and Urine Study 25 Q. If you look at his article a little bit 662 1 further down, he concludes that CWD is not highly 2 contagious, is that true? 3 A. In the context that he is using it, yes, 4 it would be true. 5 Q. What do you mean by that? 6 A. When -- just a second. Oftentimes when 7 we talk about a highly contagious disease this is a 8 disease which a large part of the population 9 becomes either antibody reactive or actually become 10 sick and any human influenza is a good example of 11 this. If only 10 percent of the population becomes 12 infected that's not really a highly contagious 13 disease. It is contagious. 14 And that's been shown. CWD is contagious 15 but I guess it comes down to a matter of 16 perspective when you say highly contagious and to 17 me the numbers compared to other diseases of deer 18 for CWD transmission is not highly contagious. 19 Q. Now, could you please turn to Exhibit 20 MMM. You've heard some testimony about the 21 transmission of CWD through the discharge of fecal 22 material. What does this study indicate about 23 that? 24 A. Well, if you will look at the figure on 25 page 6 of the article, when the researchers in this 663 1 tried to lead to urine and feces, PO. 2 JUDGE PALMER: PO? 3 A. And that stands for P-E-R-O-S, PEROS, 4 that's an oral administration. You can see very 5 clearly they could not transmit it at all. 6 Q. How long of a period of time had they 7 been trying to transmit it? 8 A. Well, back in the methods and materials 9 here. For urine and feces each of the three deer 10 received repeated 90 daily oral doses of urine and 11 feces from CWD positive source deer. 12 Q. How long were they measuring to see 13 whether or not the deer -- 14 A. Up to 12 months, as I understand it. 15 Q. If you turn to Exhibit TT. 16 MR. GALLAGHER: Move for the admission of 17 Exhibit MMM at this point. 18 JUDGE PALMER: Any objection? MMM is 19 admitted. 20 Q. How does this study, Exhibit TT? 21 A. Yes, I have it. 22 MS. BROMMEL: Just TT, not TTT. 23 JUDGE PALMER: All right. 24 Q. And this study is by Tamguney, correct? 25 A. Yes. Q. And how does this study's finding compare 2 with Exhibit MMM? 3 A. It has already been pointed out the 4 recipient animals in this study were transgenic 5 mice. The recipient animals in the Mathiason 6 article before were actually whitetail deer. 7 Q. Why was that significant? 8 A. We are concerned about this in deer. 9 Again, Dr. Miller stated very, very, well by the 10 use of transgenic mice is convenient but a 11 transgenic mouse is not a deer. 12 Q. So in the study that actually focused on 13 deer they couldn't transmit it or they found out it 14 was not transmitted over the course of 12 months? 15 A. Correct.

So now please tell the class of your finding that there are many different prions including scrapies and cwd. The facts have been proven that yes it is possible that prions can be moved by fluids but it is also a fact that the cwd prion has never been found in any body fluid of any deer! Period. Why do you think a deer has to be dead to be tested? Would it not only be obvious that if cwd can be passed in fluid then it should be found in the body fluids of a proven,tested cwd positive deer? Its never been found after years of trying. They say now that prions are being found in Alfalfa hay being brought in from out west. Do you also think that cwd can be passed on to any animal that eats that same hay in northern Ny? Facts are facts and fact is the cwd prion has never been found in any fluid of any whitetail deer in any state. Do some research on the trial that just went down between the state of Iowa and a Iowa deer farmer. Its was said, on stand,under oath, by a top research that supported the state of Iowa in that trial and he says....cwd does not pose a threat to any Iowan or any animal in that state! You can talk prions all day, we are talking cwd!

Why do you say this. Can you show us some science and PROOF of where cwd has been found in any saliva,urine or feces! Thanks!

True and prob not the best idea for me to want such a big front yard and be so far off the road. Drifts will kill ya. Fact is i can see some 3ft drifta out there now from todays latest blast of snow. Winter can leave at any time!!