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It's so funny. We have Belo and Shawnhu going at it on every thread it seems. LOL I think we need to put them in a steel cage and let them go at each other in there. They can rip out their choice parts from each other, and maybe some organ meats, too. LOL

No, not the challenge. In my case I don't see very many deer where I hunt. The ones you do see, you'd better make sure you find a way to put down, or you may not get to see another one in the remaining time you have left to hunt. In my case, the deer was within a reasonable distance to make a shot like that, I felt comfortable in making it, and I took it. End result was what I hoped for. Really no different than anyone else taking any other sort of shot. Hell, we've read enough stories so far this Fall of shots that hunters thought were slam dunks, yet didn't turn out that way.

I think if we use this argument, we could also say that someone would have even a greater chance of making a non-lethal hit on a deer, with the same poor aim, by aiming at the vitals. If you aim at the head with the same poor aim, you will most likely miss the deer completely. Not advocating head shots here, just trying to make a point. I will be honest and admit to several head shots. The head was the only part of the deer I saw, and was pretty sure that would be the only clear, non-running shot I'd get at it. I aimed and the deer fell instantly in all instances. Again, not advocating head shots, only saying that it could be done, by even an average good shot in the right circumstances.

.308 is the better deer cartridge, period. I personally would never even consider the .223. I find it funny how in recent years the .223 has all of a sudden become a deer round. I'm pretty sure it's the AR rifle craze that has led to this. Go back 20, 30 years or more and you NEVER heard anyone put the .223 in an adequate deer rifle cartridge category. The argument from the .223 side goes something like "But yeah, it could kill deer". Sure it can. A mallet over a deers head could kill it too, but do I want to use one under all the different circumstances one comes across while hunting deer??

That's a valid point jjb, but we really don't want to let it go too far. We already can get summonses for moving violations captured by cameras, and stuff like that. Almost get strip searched boarding planes and entering government offices and landmarks. We are living in a completely different world, though. Most of us don't trust just every joe blow on the street either, why should we think government, law enforcement or anyone else should have complete trust in them? Will NEVER happen again. Those that think we are losing too many rights in this country can go ANYWHERE else in the world, and I can guarantee them that they will have even less rights wherever they would choose to go. Humanity has made this type of world for themselves, so it leaves us now with very few alternatives. Blasting off into space might be the only escape from it.

I can see both sides of the argument here. It definitely feels like harassment and violations of our rights in so many ways, yet if we don't have anything to hide, it will just waste more of our time if we don't comply. The trooper or DEC officer has all the time to kill compared to us hunters who just want to get back home, so I think that's the biggest reason they get away with it in my opinion. Me and my uncle were pulled over one time back in the early 80's on the Taconic parkway. All vehicles that had hunters in it had to pull aside. We didn't have a deer that time, but the trooper wanted us to pull our freakin guns out of their cases to check if they were loaded. We just complied, but when I look back at it, it seemed like they were going out of their way to give hunters a hard time. And this was 30 years ago now, so it's not like these type of harassments are something new. That actually was the one and ONLY time we were ever asked to do anything like that. These days I rarely ever see deer checks stops.

I suggest you guys take the Whitestone bridge then. Never ever saw a stop anywhere near it.

Elmer, you sure have way more confidence in him than the rest of us. LOL

Until Ants clarifies matters I am taking his ratio as 16 wounded for every 3 he actually kills.

He of course would need to ask a DEC officer if it would be legal to discharge a rifle in a shotgun only area in order to kill a deer on the other side of the river in a rifle area. I would think he's good to go, since rifles are legal where the deer happens to be standing. LOL

No need for baiting. Your .300 Weatherby can reach him on the other side of the Hudson.

Actually I would say the buck isn't even dead. It was time for one of those electric probes to be placed you know where, to stimulate semen production, and the buck got a bit rowdy, so they had to temporarily put him to sleep. They let him sleep it off in the back of the pickup.

And that's why some of us are against stupid rules like AR's. When we kill our spikes and forkhorns and then post pictures on forums, NO one will accuse us of killing them in a pen. LOL Of course some will accuse us of killing the dumbest deer in the woods, but hey, at least the bugger had his freedom during his 1.5 years of life. LOL

Now how true is this?? I have one that I bought new in 1985 and another that I bought in 1998, so granted I haven't bought one in years now. But, the ones I've looked at in stores really don't look much worse to me than earlier ones? Nothing that's made anymore is given the extra touches as things made years ago. I don't think we will be going back to those days either. Functionally and accuracy wise, I don't think the new 700's will fail anyone.

As you said in an earlier post here. "Maybe NY actually has it right for once and the other states are F'd up!" I completely agree with you here. Any state that would think a 5 year old is ready to hunt don't know their a$$ from their elbow. Some think that as long as someone is capable of pulling a trigger on a gun, they are ready for any and ALL of the worlds challenges. I have some news for these people, unfortunately.

I did notice them, but I figured that's what you guys wear while hunting on those LI beaches?? Flip flops beat getting sand in your boots.

Nice deer, congrats!! It's not everyone who can show us a good buck and their prized biceps all in the same picture!! LOL NYAntler will have it framed, for sure!

I've been to Staten Island and it may be a bit more rural looking than the other boroughs, but in my mind its FAR from the ideal natural setting for animals like deer and turkey. Maybe birdlife, raccoons, skunks can blend in there, but deer and turkey are another matter. That's my view anyway.

Honestly would that be a bad thing?? The environment is very unnatural for both the turkey and deer, so I don't think it would be a bad thing if they did.

I'm sure there are some spots, but people have to realize that Staten Island is within NYC limits, and holding any sort of hunt would be a CIRCUS of the greatest magnitude. Any hunter who would want to subject himself to the media scrutiny along with everyone else eyeballing them is plum crazy in my opinion. You'd have some irate city people wanting to kill the hunters and drag them down the street. The media would make these people out to be heroes and saviors of the wild kingdom. If you guys want something like that, knock yourselves out! I won't be joining you.

Yeah, and where would you set up to hunt them? On the roof of someone's garage? When you shoot one it would fall over and die next to some kids swing set in someone elses backyard. You'll have to knock on their door and ask them for permission to drag your deer out and down their paved driveway. I can see the horror on their faces over the blood stains you left behind already. I don't care how big the bucks are, I would not want to hunt in a scenario like that.

AR's need to be implemented for deer/auto collisions. 3 Points to the side, or your car gets confiscated. Sorry fellas, but it's for the biological benefits of the herd..

Not good enough! You will have to ask the deer to open it's mouth and say "ahh"' so you can look at the wear on his teeth for a more accurate age reading. LOL

He said BARELY, and he is correct. Those who think that a 5 year old can be trusted to always make good decisions are the bad parents.

I have hunted 180 private acres with only one other guy for years now. In the neighboring 300-400 acres there are maybe 4 other hunters hunting. At best 3 or 4 bucks get taken out of this entire area in a year. Even if those bucks taken were below AR minimums, how would AR's help this area?? Absolutely won't. It's a mountainous region with hardly any agriculture on neighboring fields, so all the AR rules in the world won't make this place hold more or bigger deer than it could naturally sustain.