TheHunter

Because they wish to mow the woods down shooting anything thats brown with out regard to the future of our herd.

"Most would agree it's not natural to eliminate 70 percent of yearling bucks from the herd every year," Fiscella said. "You are wiping out future age classes of the balanced buck age structure." So true...

I was referring to the fact that majority would like to see a state wide AR as shown by that survey. Regardless, as I've always stated in the past, in area's witn AR, majority support it. I'd like to see a state wide AR / management plan, however most importantly, is that AR is in my area, and its better then nothing and it works.

Haha... Majority support it in my area based on the older DEC survey and on that survey, thanks for pointing that out though.

SQ2Hunter, don't let them get under your skin. They throw that BS out at everyone. The funny part is they all "claim" to not shoot the 1.5's too.

Trust me, you don't need help... These guys need help. They say they practice QDM, they say they have these monster bucks running around their properties... Which if its true, thats great... Guess what? Its not true for the most of us. They are so dead set against those that want some type of QDM / AR / Whatever you want to call it. You call them brown its down, they cry :'( .... Oh the horror, I can't shoot a spike. "You can't eat horns", yet they all hunt horns and claim have these monster P&Y's running all over.. : Whats classic is, these guys don't hunt in area's with AR in place. They talk from ZERO experience. Ask the guys with AR in their area's and the bucks they have been seeing. I wish there was a different way to implement AR, however points works for the masses. Is it the best solution? Nope. Does it work? Yup. You want proof? Go to any processor or taxidermist in the AR zones. Hands down things have changed.

It will change Frank.

Larry, your the last freaking one that should be talking about others taking classes. Your the guy that tried to spin numbers by calculating percentages backwards LOL! Lets go back there - >http://huntingny.com/forums/index.php/topic,108.735.html And I quote you "i think your numbers for 3j is +11% 3h +30% sorry i'm a numbers guy" LMAO!!!! And you continue to copy and paste BS that others write or you copy and paste from other sites. 99% of what NYAntler says is correct. He is not stating to kill all the does, he is talking about population control and herd management.

Same here! Decal would be cool too.

I think its a good idea for a few different things like shops, clubs, butchers, etc...

Great to get the kids involved, need more!

That rack is pretty cool looking! Great story.

Congrats and great story.

Great story and buck.

Wow, nice buck!!

Or since there are hunters, and that will not change... How about proper herd management with AR or some other form.

I also forgot to mention all those city folk that buy land, and build on their property. Hiring local contractors, electricians, plumbers, landscapers, roofers, etc. Have you ever talked to a "city" person, you'd might be shocked to find they are nicer then you perceive them as.

Forgot to mention the boost to local economy that these city folk bring. Shopping at local shops, eating at diners and restaurants, going apple picking, buying gas and groceries, staying at hotels.. Those damn city folk, what are we going to do with them!

The city folk are the ones paying taxes and using zero services.... The city folk are the reason that your taxes are not through the roof. If you don't like the "city" folk, then you should have bought that land yourself. I hear this crap and it makes me sick. The city folk post the land because they do not want trespassers, they understand safety, and they want their land respected because THEY PAID FOR IT.

I have, and do, and they have some beautiful bucks now, unlike 5-10 years ago. I do not agree with how aggressive they were with the issuance of their version of the DMP's however, the AR there has produced monsters for everyone to harvest.

I'm just glad I'm at the point in my hunting life where I realize how messed up it is when people think that slamming down button bucks and young ones that are still sucking off their mom's teets is OK. Its pretty sad when you brown its down people don't look at the big picture. I have nothing more to say other than to offer my sympathies.

I guess you don't want to share all those "150" class bucks you see.

HAHAHA... I'm full of it? I'll say it again, I speak for my area. It works, period. You are telling me I'm full of crap because I speak from first hand experience, are you insane or just an ignorant? Great for you with the 150 class, thats not the norm. Clearly you don't need AR's in your area. If your seeing all these great mature deer why the hell in gods name would you give a rats ass if there were AR's in your area. You have all these monsters walking around, then a measly 3 point AR on one side is not going to make ONE BIT OF FREAKING DIFFERENCE FOR YOU OR ANYONE THAT HUNTS IN YOUR AREA! So stop whining about how AR's are so horrible and go get your 150 class deer that we have yet to see you post.

We havent seen alot of movement cause of the winds, but we have all seen deer. My close group of hunters has already taken 3 nice bucks in the first week. A couple of guys have been busted by the bucks before taking a shot the others have seen some bucks but nothing they wanted to shoot or the bucks were too far. So far so good. Noone has taken a doe yet, they have all been waiting to take a buck. That normally changes after the first week if they havent taken a buck. So AR's are clearly working in your area and mine? I thought they do not work, to quote the infamous Steve863, its just a bunch of BS that "Hunting Clubs" pushed on the DEC. Its funny, are you a part of a hunting club? I'm not. Nor are the 30 other hunters I personally know and hunt near... They all LOVE AR. Seems all that hogwash is coming from those who don't hunt in the AR areas. Kinda funny having a bunch of guys bashing AR's in area's where they don't have AR's don't ya think? Anyways, nice bucks and let those anti AR guys have fun with their yearlings. It must be so cool to bring a nice 100 pound buck to your butcher to get back 30 lbs of usable meat.... Or if you butcher it yourself, 35 lbs.... I rather have a nice 190-225 pound 2.5 to 5 year old myself...

Problem is most of you guys do not want ANY CHANGE period. As fairgame and other pointed out, you complain about any single change for the better of the hunters, deer, whatever it may be. You need to realize, you are the minority. Change will happen, I'm just happy at least AR's are in my area, and that will not change any time soon. I'd be all for adopting Ohio's structure, anything that will better the hunting experiance for everyone. If AR's did not work they would have removed them, guess what, they have not gone anywhere.