Rattler

Offense cannot be given, only taken.

Hey, it's a "free country". You're free to do whatever they let you do.

They both need someone to do their talking for them.

Sore loser. Don't change the subject. LOL! I'm not the one who caused it to be moved here, but I do relish the opportunity to address politics on an even field. How about this. Start a Corona Virus II thread in General Chit Chat again and keep the political crap out of it.

As well as a lot of people on this site. But if everything goes right and America becomes great again, they will offer no thanks. That's caused by the psychosis.

He has anger management issues he refuses to address. We should send prayers.

Perhaps you were typing that response the whole time the last couple of posts were put up. Please, go back and read up on the reality of the situation for your own edification. Nobody is debating the merit of the situation at this point, only the facts as they are.

Lefty,

Presented with this ambiguity, presidents have explored the outer limits of their constitutional emergency authority in a series of directives known as Presidential Emergency Action Documents, or peads. peads, which originated as part of the Eisenhower administration’s plans to ensure continuity of government in the wake of a Soviet nuclear attack, are draft executive orders, proclamations, and messages to Congress that are prepared in advance of anticipated emergencies. peads are closely guarded within the government; none has ever been publicly released or leaked. But their contents have occasionally been described in public sources, including FBI memorandums that were obtained through the Freedom of Information Act as well as agency manuals and court records. According to these sources, peads drafted from the 1950s through the 1970s would authorize not only martial law but the suspension of habeas corpus by the executive branch, the revocation of Americans’ passports, and the roundup and detention of “subversives” identified in an FBI “Security Index” that contained more than 10,000 names. Less is known about the contents of more recent peads and equivalent planning documents.

The president has access to emergency powers contained in 123 statutory provisions, as recently calculated by the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law, where I work. These laws address a broad range of matters, from military composition to agricultural exports to public contracts. For the most part, the president is free to use any of them; the National Emergencies Act doesn’t require that the powers invoked relate to the nature of the emergency. Even if the crisis at hand is, say, a nationwide crop blight, the president may activate the law that allows the secretary of transportation to requisition any privately owned vessel at sea. Many other laws permit the executive branch to take extraordinary action under specified conditions, such as war and domestic upheaval, regardless of whether a national emergency has been declared. This legal regime for emergencies—ambiguous constitutional limits combined with a rich well of statutory emergency powers—would seem to provide the ingredients for a dangerous encroachment on American civil liberties. Yet so far, even though presidents have often advanced dubious claims of constitutional authority, egregious abuses on the scale of the Japanese American internment or the post-9/11 torture program have been rare, and most of the statutory powers available during a national emergency have never been used.

Lefty, you obviously didn't look it up like I asked you to, so you will continue to make me work to educate you. Try reading this article, that is not from Trump supporters, about how they fear what he can do. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/01/presidential-emergency-powers/576418/

I know squirrel. It's a birth defect.

The madness only happens when the supposedly sane man refuses to be logical in his desire to avoid changing his mind.

Do you know what happens when the country is in a "Declared State of Emergency"? Look it up. The states can decide to ignore the order, but that puts the responsibility of repercussions on them, not the President. The President can also deal with the states that refuse to open, differently then he does the one's that do. It's not an abuse of power and is clearly understood in a state of emergency or under the War powers act if that were the case.

There is a difference between "absolute" and "ultimate" and they convey entirely different meanings. And yeah, he does.

It was long overdue. Don't poke the bear.

“I have the ultimate authority,” he replied. Reading comprehension skills would be able to discern the difference between what he said and what people are told he said.

I've been refusing to counter all of the blatant misinformation I've been reading in this thread because it was political and should not have been derailing this thread at all. Now that it is in the political section, I've decided some posts here needed a retort. Hatred of Trump doesn't have to be stated to be understood. A mirror needs to be held up to some faces here. It's not raving, it's refutation. The raving has been coming from the people who seem to think others are doing a better job during this crises. But that's not the point. Nobody needs to counter anything I post. I'm sure they would if they could. However, I will be happy to counter anything any ill informed Trump hater wishes to post, in the interest of fairness to the President. Feel free to debate whatever you like. I look forward to it. If nobody wishes to refute what I post, just as well.

Would some of NY states Trump haters have more people die from the virus if it insures Trump will not be re-elected? Yes they would. These people are sicker than the ones who have the virus. And I'm sick of them. https://patriotpost.us/articles/69907-video-new-yorkers-hate-trump-more-than-covid-19-2020-04-14?mailing_id=4988&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pp.email.4988&utm_campaign=digest&utm_content=body

That should about cover the points made earlier. Someone needs to offer counter points for people who think for themselves. If you hate Trump, in spite of all of his positive accomplishments over the last 3 years, as well as the positive things he's done during this virus crises, you are suffering from a psychosis and need professional help. If you can point out things that deserve legitimate criticism, with an eye towards improving them, that's one thing. But if all you do is spew leftist talking points and hate, to sway the idiot electorate with hopes of having influence on the upcoming election, you are the problem in America right now.

NYC has nobody to blame but itself. https://patriotpost.us/articles/69921-why-wasnt-nycs-ventilator-stockpile-replenished-2020-04-14?mailing_id=4988&utm_medium=email&utm_source=pp.email.4988&utm_campaign=digest&utm_content=body

Keep the country shut down. What could go wrong? Former New York Lt. Gov. Betsy McCaughey writes, "Job losses cause extreme suffering. Every 1% hike in the unemployment rate will likely produce a 3.3% increase in drug overdose deaths and a 0.99% increase in suicides according to data provided by the National Bureau of Economic Research and the medical journal Lancet. These are facts based on experience, not models. If unemployment hits 32%, some 77,000 Americans are likely to die from suicide and drug overdoses as a result of layoffs. Scientists call these fatalities deaths of despair."

The media lies. And people who hate Trump , love them for it. https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/04/13/trump-and-fauci-express-frustration-with-how-media-covers-covid-19-response/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=trump-and-fauci-express-frustration-with-how-media-covers-covid-19-response?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MorningBell&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTkdWbE5XWTFOMkV6WlRNdyIsInQiOiJHenFxTWNkTmcrN29UNFR5bTB2S0N3WGM4d2VXdzlISXZ0SzF1R000eCtUNEVBazVhN3hnS0tndzNJdEVyN0Z5QWdLWDcyN3VRVjVzaWxYZHNINmtmbDlZTGk0VUEyUjNLQldhbVwvTWkzMjJKVjE3eGZac3pTanlwXC9EUW10ZFRQIn0%3D On other fronts, one reporter challenged Trump’s authority to decide when and how to reopen the national economy. “I have the ultimate authority,” he replied, and later said, as similar questions continued, that the White House would make the case in writing.