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So, I was contemplating going to the 30396 FTX bullet anyway. A call to Hornady confirmed that I am pushing the 30395 FTX 30/30 bullet beyond its design envelope of 2300 fps maximum impact velocity.. Anything closer than 100 yards will be beyond that with my load's Mv of 2500 fps. At 120 yards the bullet was still traveling a bit over 2200 fps. The 30396 FTX for the .308 Marlin Express has a design limit of 2700 fps impact velocity. Loading that bullet at 3.150" COAL will raise pressure slightly with the same charge but still well within the limits. Mv should be around 2525 fps. 3.150" will still function in the Krag magazine & should still get me close to the lands with the slightly pointier ogive compared to the 30395.

If you arecrefering to thye Russian made Stevens doubler barrels, the have a nasty trait of the trigger pinching the finger on firing.

AUTOPSY REPORT: Cause of death: Extreme violent trauma to the central nervous system. (HOMICIDE) When we removed the skin of the victim, we could see that there seemed to be some severe tissue damage in the spinal area behind the shoulder. After removal if the left shoulder we found yet more evidence of trauma. It wasn't until we opened up the front of the throat and removed the trachea that we realized the extreme nature & violence of the trauma. We them moved to the operating table with better lighting conditions to explore the wound cavity for ballistic evidence. After more extensive dissection & probing of the wound cavity we found bullet fragments distributed throughout the wound cavity which was several inches deep. There were several vertebrae destroyed. The destruction was so compete we could only estimate that perhaps as many as 4 vertebrae were completely pulverized.

Now I don't want to hunt with optical sights, but my 65 year old eyes tell me otherwise.

It's an M1898 Springfield.(seriel # has it built in 1899) Spanish American war era. Replaced the 40/70 and was eplaced by the 30-03 & in 1906, the 30-06. It is based on the Norwegian Krag Jorgenson. Same action. The Norwegian Krags were usually chambered in 6.5 x 55. 19th century rifle taking game in the 21st century!

Could be, but the deer around here ate themselves outv of house & home several years back & it's a hardscrabbke existance for them. not a lot af agriculture or mast. They survive on mostly brouse after the frosts hit. 2 1/2 year olds around here usualy have spindlier beams & less splay at the bases. One things for sure, he ain't no yearling. The fact that I shot him with my Dad's rifle that he bought 57 years ago really made it quite a thrill. Dad shot 2 bucks with that rifle, one in 1958 right after he bought it & just beforfe we moved to Chicago & another in 1967 after we moived back to P. Even though he made good killing shoits, the 180gr Corlocks didn't open up all that fast & both deer ran far enough that other hiuntes shot them & clamied them. AS I walked back to the house to get my tractor I felt like my Dad was smilling down on me as he would have been proud to take that buck. If I had been using my 8X57 I probably wouldn't have shot him because I've killed better bucks with it & it can thread a neddle at 120 yards. That's the 1st deer I've killed with iron sights since my last ML kill in 2001 & it sure isn't as easy as using optics.

I worked up some loads with 160gr Hornady FTX 30395 (30/30) bullets. I use 49.5gr of Alliant RL-17. QL predicts 2700 FPS at 47000 PSI, but the actual MV of 2500 fps suggests about 42000. Recoil/muzzle blast is mild and the primers have a nice radius after firing so I think the QL prediction is a little exuberant. At 3.089 COAL they are just off the lands in my rifle. The throat isn't eroded any, but the bore is only fair. I shot some bullets through it with fire lapping compound last year to shine up the bore a bit & had the muzzle done with a recessed flat crown. My eyes aren't that good, but I can put 5 shots into about 3" at 100yds. At 50yds I can see the aim point much better & hold a pretty good group. I've thought about bumping it up another 100 FPS but with a 200 yard zero it will shoot + or - 3" out to 250 yards so what would be the point?

Not a pretty rack, but a mature buck none the less. From the spread at the antler bases I guess about 3 1/2 years old. Most challenging shot I ever made. 120 yds, 20yds inside the brush. Iron (peep) sights, facing almost straight on. All I could see was his chest, the top of his legs & the white spot on his nose. I had to study the sight picture for a few reference point on the tree that was next to him as when I looked through the aperture I had a hard time picking an aim point on the deer's chest. I hit him dead center through the windpipe just above the midpoint between his chin & brisket. 160gr Hornady FTX over 49.5grs of Rl-17. 2500 fps Mv At the shot there was dead silence & no movement where the deer was standing. After watching the spot for several minutes & got down from my tripod & walked to the edge of the brush before I could see him. From the way he was bunched up he must have pitched down nose 1st. The bullet never entered the chest cavity. It must have taken out the spine.I hope to find the bullet when we butcher him. If you look cloesly, about 1/2 way between the muzzle & the left edge you can see the gray roof of the tripod stand 120 yds disdtant. Here is a zoomed shot from where the deer was laying. I think he was standing a little to the left as that large tree on the edge of the brush was what I used as a sight reference.

That's not surprising, you seldom do.

So what do you call it when the corporations own the government? That is where we are headed right now if the Republicans and the Koch brothers have their way.

Eisenhower was a fascist? That's funny, Joe McCarthy thought he was a communist.

Instantly? Seems you poked the hornet's nest at least 2 times. You like to dish it out but just like a typical conserve-a-turd, as soon as the hornets start stinging you, you scream personal attacks & persecution.

Bernie was at the top with 91% yet Trump topped my list of Republican @46% lust a few points behind O'Malley. How's that for irony?

To a person with normal or above average intelligence it would be quite simple to explain. Considering it's you, it tends to get a lot more complicated. For instance since I posted 3 times over 1 1/2 hours between chores, you seem to automatically ASS-ume that I was sitting on my ass in front of my laptop for 1 1/2 hours. Luckily for you I am willing to go to the extremes necessary to perhaps clear things up for the average dullard. Whether or not you will be able to grasp an explanation that even a simpleton can understand remains to be seen In the mean time, perhaps if you study my previous post hard enough, it might turn on the lights for you, but perhaps not.

Going camping for several days as well as working a large R/C aircraft. I'll let Mr Ants have it when I have time tothoroughly spell out his tunnel vision.

Bernie's agenda is to work within a capitalist economy with social programs that benefit the WORKING class, not the rich. We have socialism in the way the NFL is subsidized with tax payer built stadiums & yet given "non profit" status. We have socialism when profitable corporations receive tax payer subsidies yet pay lower taxes than ever. Then some, like Walmart establish sham operations in other countries to further avoid taxes. Like it or not, the US economy worked under socialized capitalism from the mid 1930s until the 1970s. That is when this country thrived for the WORKING middle class.

No time for a detailed response to the other matters but this is a simple question to answer. Running as a 3rd party candidate will hand the election over to the Republicans. Unlike most of the other candidates in this race, Bernie isn't runinng to stoke his ego. Whether you agree with his ideas or not he is really trying to help the WORKING class.

I knew you wouldn't let me down ants. You are always good for comedic entertainment. I'm a bit preoccupied at the moment, but I will soon give you examples of how Sanders plans on ending hand outs to increase employment at middle class wages thus creating even more jobs..

Early bear season in your area?

It surprised me that Trump was near the top for me, but I think the guy is too unstable. His stance on the issues aside.

One of the "miracles" of US economic policies. (A K A trickle down" economics)

You mean hundreds of thousands of contributors that sent him $250 or less? Last time I looked there were no laws against socialist democracy. If you had your way we would only have political parties that cater to your views. Sounds like the old Soviet Union to me, only one political party. Canada most of the developed countries in Europe have socialist democracies.

What is the employer's view of this?

It doesn't work that way.

Looks like the real thing to me.