suggested parts for an AR 15

[jesse.james]

So found out its only illegal to buy a fully assembled AR. No law about buying the parts and Building it yourself. Got the lower, what's would you all suggest for the rest of the gun.

Edited March 30, 2013 by jesse.james

[tuckersdaddy]

it still would have to be registered (early next year) and comform to the guildlines in the safeact. there are links in here that will take you to the law. read it before continuing your build. 

[jesse.james]

Just read through it. Says i can't purchase an AR from a dealer. Parts in and of themselves don't constitute an AR. Yes when i get done building it, then it would fall Under AR regs which just means i have 1 yr to register It.

[tuckersdaddy]

well now the formality are done, whats the intended use of your ar? small game, target, yotes, big game?

[jesse.james]

Yotes. Plinking, zombie apocalypse, enemies foreign or domestic.

[jesse.james]

Sorry was a bit wrong. Talked to the gun dealer where i bought the ar lower. He said legally i have to tell you that you need to build this to meet the new nys safe act laws. so sorry for any of you i mislead.

[HectorBuckBuster]

You lower was transferred as a other, not a pistol or a rifle or shotgun. The NY Safe Act defines a assault rifle (should be called tactical rifle) as having a detachable magazine and one feature- Pistol Grip, Bayonet holder, Collapsible stock,grenade launcher, and a muzzlebreak (which there is no such thing in reality) which means a threaded barrel.Well Bayonet holder, and grenade launcher are easy to get rid of, threaded barrel, easy to get rid of, and pistol grip, that is also easy to get ride of. Then by reading the law it is no longer a assault weapon. Plus if you get a bullet button, then the magazine is no longer detectable with out a tool and the tool is a bullet or a magnet .

Edited April 2, 2013 by HectorBuckBuster

[WNYBuckHunter]

Hector, you keep talking about the bullet buttons, etc. Where can someone find info showing that you can use one of these to circumvent the SAFE act?

[HectorBuckBuster]

OK, here are a couple of options to eliminated a pistol grip.  The first option is awesome, second is ok. Ok, I will now get more info on the bullet button.

[HectorBuckBuster]

Bullet Button video.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CVvMZKTCW8

 

 

[WNYBuckHunter]

I know what the bullet button is, thats not what I asked.

[HectorBuckBuster]

This is what I have found.

http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=S01422&term=&Summary=Y&Text=Y

34 24. "DETACHABLE MAGAZINE" MEANS ANY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE, THE

35 FUNCTION OF WHICH IS TO DELIVER ONE OR MORE AMMUNITION CARTRIDGES INTO

36 THE FIRING CHAMBER, WHICH CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE FIREARM WITHOUT THE

37 USE OF ANY TOOL, INCLUDING A BULLET OR AMMUNITION CARTRIDGE.

[jesse.james]

That first stock set up us awesome. Where can i find that.

[josephmrtn]

it still would have to be registered (early next year) and comform to the guildlines in the safeact. there are links in here that will take you to the law. read it before continuing your build. 

unless of course you dont bow to cumoron...

but we would NEVER do anything like that!!! right guys?

[HectorBuckBuster]

Tuckersdaddy, how would you have to register it. It is not longer defined at a AW, by the law.  This is right from the Cuomo's website FAQ's

Q: If I modify my gun by removing all design characteristics that makes it an assault weapon,
do I have to register it?

A: No. If you modify your gun so that it is not an assault weapon, you do not have to register it. The modification must be permanent however. This includes, for example, removing the bayonet lug by cutting or grinding, grinding off the threads on the barrel, removing the foregrip so that it cannot be readily reattached, or any change that cannot be reversed through reasonable means.

 

Jesse James, they are sold out of their pre production of that stock. 

Here is the website . http://www.ubbt.net/frs15stock1.html

[jesse.james]

So no pre orders? Just have to wait for production?

[WNYBuckHunter]

This is what I have found. http://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=S01422&term=&Summary=Y&Text=Y34    24. "DETACHABLE MAGAZINE" MEANS ANY  AMMUNITION  FEEDING  DEVICE,  THE   35  FUNCTION  OF  WHICH IS TO DELIVER ONE OR MORE AMMUNITION CARTRIDGES INTO   36  THE FIRING CHAMBER, WHICH CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE  FIREARM  WITHOUT  THE   37  USE OF ANY TOOL, INCLUDING A BULLET OR AMMUNITION CARTRIDGE.

 

Thats not the SAFE act. That was a preliminary bill that was revised. This is directly from the safe act and makes no mention of tools, etc. Better check your sources before you hand out information that could lead to someone ending up in jail.

 

 (A)  A  SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS: (I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK; (II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION  OF THE WEAPON; (III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK; (IV)  A  SECOND  HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND; (V) A BAYONET MOUNT; (VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A  FLASH  SUPPRESSOR,  MUZZLE  BREAK,  OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR; (VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER; OR        S. 2230                            19                            A. 2388 (  A  SEMIAUTOMATIC  SHOTGUN  THAT HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS: (I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK; (II) A THUMBHOLE STOCK; (III)  A  SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND; (IV) A FIXED MAGAZINE CAPACITY IN EXCESS OF SEVEN ROUNDS; (V) AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; OR (C) A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A  DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS: (I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK; (II) A THUMBHOLE STOCK; (III)  A  SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND; (IV) CAPACITY TO ACCEPT AN AMMUNITION MAGAZINE THAT  ATTACHES  TO  THE PISTOL OUTSIDE OF THE PISTOL GRIP; (V)  A  THREADED  BARREL CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING A BARREL EXTENDER, FLASH SUPPRESSOR, FORWARD HANDGRIP, OR SILENCER; (VI) A SHROUD THAT IS ATTACHED TO, OR PARTIALLY OR  COMPLETELY  ENCIR CLES,  THE  BARREL AND THAT PERMITS THE SHOOTER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH THE NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED; (VII) A MANUFACTURED WEIGHT OF FIFTY OUNCES OR MORE WHEN THE PISTOL IS UNLOADED; OR (VIII) A SEMIAUTOMATIC VERSION  OF  AN  AUTOMATIC  RIFLE,  SHOTGUN  OR FIREARM; (D) A REVOLVING CYLINDER SHOTGUN; (E)  A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE, A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN OR A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL OR WEAPON DEFINED IN SUBPARAGRAPH (V) OF PARAGRAPH (E) OF  SUBDI VISION  TWENTY-TWO OF SECTION 265.00 OF THIS CHAPTER AS ADDED BY CHAPTER ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY-NINE OF  THE  LAWS  OF  TWO  THOUSAND  AND  OTHERWISE LAWFULLY  POSSESSED PURSUANT TO SUCH CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER FOURTEENTH, NINETEEN HUNDRED NINETY-FOUR; (F) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE, A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN OR A  SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL  OR  WEAPON DEFINED IN PARAGRAPH (A), ( OR (C) OF THIS SUBDIVI SION, POSSESSED PRIOR TO THE DATE OF ENACTMENT OF  THE  CHAPTER  OF  THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH; (G) PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE: (I)  ANY  RIFLE,  SHOTGUN  OR  PISTOL THAT (A) IS MANUALLY OPERATED BY BOLT, PUMP, LEVER OR SLIDE ACTION; (  HAS  BEEN  RENDERED  PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE;  OR  (C)  IS  AN  ANTIQUE  FIREARM  AS  DEFINED IN 18 U.S.C. 921(A)(16); (II) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT CANNOT ACCEPT  A  DETACHABLE  MAGAZINE THAT HOLDS MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION; (III)  A  SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT CANNOT HOLD MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION IN A FIXED OR DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; OR (IV) A RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL, OR A REPLICA OR A DUPLICATE  THEREOF, SPECIFIED IN APPENDIX A TO 18 U.S.C. 922 AS SUCH WEAPON WAS MANUFACTURED ON  OCTOBER  FIRST,  NINETEEN HUNDRED NINETY-THREE. THE MERE FACT THAT A WEAPON IS NOT LISTED IN APPENDIX A SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED TO  MEAN  THAT SUCH WEAPON IS AN ASSAULT WEAPON; (V) ANY WEAPON VALIDLY REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION SIXTEEN-A OF SECTION  400.00  OF  THIS  CHAPTER. SUCH WEAPONS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE PROVISIONS OF PARAGRAPH (H) OF THIS SUBDIVISION; (VI) ANY FIREARM, RIFLE, OR SHOTGUN THAT  WAS  MANUFACTURED  AT  LEAST FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO THE CURRENT DATE, BUT NOT INCLUDING REPLICAS THERE        S. 2230                            20                            A. 2388 OF  THAT  IS  VALIDLY  REGISTERED  PURSUANT  TO SUBDIVISION SIXTEEN-A OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER; (H) ANY WEAPON DEFINED IN PARAGRAPH (E) OR (F) OF THIS SUBDIVISION AND ANY  LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE THAT WAS LEGALLY POSSESSED BY AN INDIVIDUAL PRIOR TO THE ENACTMENT OF THE CHAPTER OF  THE  LAWS  OF TWO  THOUSAND  THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH, MAY ONLY BE SOLD TO, EXCHANGED WITH OR DISPOSED OF TO A PURCHASER AUTHORIZED TO POSSESS  SUCH WEAPONS OR TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY OUTSIDE OF THE STATE PROVIDED THAT ANY  SUCH  TRANSFER TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY OUTSIDE OF THE STATE MUST BE REPORTED TO THE ENTITY WHEREIN THE WEAPON IS REGISTERED WITHIN SEVEN TY-TWO HOURS OF SUCH TRANSFER. AN  INDIVIDUAL  WHO  TRANSFERS  ANY  SUCH WEAPON  OR  LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION DEVICE TO AN INDIVIDUAL INSIDE NEW YORK STATE OR WITHOUT COMPLYING WITH THE PROVISIONS  OF  THIS  PARAGRAPH SHALL  BE  GUILTY  OF  A  CLASS A MISDEMEANOR UNLESS SUCH LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE, THE POSSESSION OF WHICH IS  MADE  ILLEGAL  BY THE  CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARA GRAPH, IS TRANSFERRED WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHAP TER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH. S 38. Subdivision 23 of section 265.00 of the penal law, as  added  by chapter 189 of the laws of 2000, is amended to read as follows: 23. "Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, [manufactured after September thir- teenth,  nineteen  hundred  ninety-four,] that (A) has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or  converted  to  accept,  more  than  ten rounds  of ammunition, OR ( CONTAINS MORE THAN SEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNI TION, OR (C) IS OBTAINED AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHAPTER OF  THE LAWS  OF  TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH AMENDED THIS SUBDIVISION AND HAS A CAPACITY OF, OR THAT CAN BE READILY RESTORED  OR  CONVERTED  TO  ACCEPT, MORE  THAN SEVEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION; provided, however, that such term does not include an attached tubular  device  designed  to  accept,  and capable  of  operating  only  with,  .22 caliber rimfire ammunition OR A FEEDING DEVICE THAT IS A CURIO OR RELIC. A  FEEDING  DEVICE  THAT  IS  A CURIO OR RELIC IS DEFINED AS A DEVICE THAT (I) WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST FIFTY  YEARS  PRIOR  TO  THE CURRENT DATE, (II) IS ONLY CAPABLE OF BEING USED EXCLUSIVELY IN A FIREARM, RIFLE, OR SHOTGUN THAT  WAS  MANUFACTURED AT LEAST FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO THE CURRENT DATE, BUT NOT INCLUDING REPLI CAS  THEREOF,  (III) IS POSSESSED BY AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS NOT PROHIBITED BY STATE OR FEDERAL LAW FROM POSSESSING A FIREARM AND (IV) IS REGISTERED WITH THE DIVISION OF STATE POLICE PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION  SIXTEEN-A  OF SECTION  400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER, EXCEPT SUCH FEEDING DEVICES TRANSFERRED INTO THE STATE MAY BE REGISTERED AT ANY TIME, PROVIDED THEY  ARE  REGIS TERED  WITHIN  THIRTY  DAYS  OF THEIR TRANSFER INTO THE STATE.  NOTWITH STANDING PARAGRAPH (H) OF SUBDIVISION TWENTY-TWO OF THIS  SECTION,  SUCH FEEDING  DEVICES MAY BE TRANSFERRED PROVIDED THAT SUCH TRANSFER SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 400.03 OF  THIS  CHAPTER  INCLUDING THE CHECK REQUIRED TO BE CONDUCTED PURSUANT TO SUCH SECTION.

[HectorBuckBuster]

This is a c/p of your NY Safe Act. I stated in my above post a general description that fits to your post.

I Do not see any where's in the NY Safe Act where they have a Definition of a DETECTABLE MAZAZINES

Another example of how vague the NY Safe ACT is below.

Like a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon ( what is the exact

measurement of PROTRUDES CONSPICUOSLY ?)

A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE

MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:

(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;

(II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION OF

THE WEAPON;

(III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;

(IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE

NON-TRIGGER HAND;

(V) A BAYONET MOUNT;

(VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED

BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR

MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;

(VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER; OR

[WNYBuckHunter]

First, its not my nysafe act.

 

Second, Im asking you for what you are basing your bullet button comment on. If you are basing it on the SAFE act, Im just saying that nowhere in there does it mention the mag can be removed with a tool.

 

Heres my point, out in CA, there is specific wording saying that the mag is ok if it can only be removed with a tool. That is why the bullet button was created, to circumvent that wording. That does not seem to be the case in NY. I would love it to be the case, and am looking for proof that it is.

[HectorBuckBuster]

I was not referring your Safe Act, just your post with the info in it. to I just killed a tree printing of the NY Safe Act and between google. There is NO DEFINITION THAT I CAN FIND to what DETACTABLE MAGAZINE MEANS in NY.

[WNYBuckHunter]

LOL, awesome. This law is crap, seems like everytime you read it it becomes less clear. I have been doing more searching as well and cant get a straight answer anywhere. Hopefully this nonsense is repealed.

[covert]

LOL, awesome. This law is crap, seems like everytime you read it it becomes less clear. I have been doing more searching as well and cant get a straight answer anywhere. Hopefully this nonsense is repealed.

I know.  I still don't feel confident saying one way or another if a fixed tube mag on a levergun that holds 10 or more is legal.  One way you read it sounds like "Obviously it's legal because it's neither detachable or semi-auto" but then you read it again and it sounds like it isn't because in the description of high-capacity magazine it doesn't specify anything about being detachable or what it's being used in.  

[HectorBuckBuster]

Covert, if the tube is a .22 it is legal, if I am reading the NY safe correct. Now, if I could figure out what detachable magazine, protruding conspicuously, 

[josephmrtn]

Tuckersdaddy, how would you have to register it. It is not longer defined at a AW, by the law.  This is right from the Cuomo's website FAQ's

Q: If I modify my gun by removing all design characteristics that makes it an assault weapon,

do I have to register it?

A: No. If you modify your gun so that it is not an assault weapon, you do not have to register it. The modification must be permanent however. This includes, for example, removing the bayonet lug by cutting or grinding, grinding off the threads on the barrel, removing the foregrip so that it cannot be readily reattached, or any change that cannot be reversed through reasonable means.

 

Jesse James, they are sold out of their pre production of that stock. 

Here is the website . http://www.ubbt.net/frs15stock1.html

Do i smell a DIY???

[ridenismo]

Any of you guys thought of the AR15/AR10 "80%" lowers you can finish with a simple drill press?  No serial #'s to register, and legally at the federal level you have the right to own any gun you manufacture as long as it is not for the purpose of sale or gift.  By completing the lower to 100% you effectively are the builder, and did so within your own home for only personal use.  BAM! suck that safe act...

 

BTW idk if its actually a LEGAL way to circumnavigate the Assualt Weapon ban in NY with the new SafeAct, i just know its how a lot of AK47's were built with the reciever flats and parts kits back when i was in highschool and trying to one up "the man"