Sunday hunting won't expand in Pennsylvania after judge rejects suit

[Setters4life]

Expansion of Sunday hunting in Pennsylvania rejected.

 

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/06/no_sunday_hunting_for_pennsylv.html#incart_river

 

 

[Meat Manager]

Sucks...I've harvested so many animals on Sundays since moving to NY.

Farmers should not get red tags if they are gonna block fair chase methods of population control.

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Edited June 19, 2014 by Meat Manager

[PWGUNNY]

That sucks.  I spend $110 a year on a non-resident hunting license and I hardly get into the woods.  Many hunters don't buy camps in PA because of this law.  PA hunters will buy a camp in Northwestern NY so they can hunt the whole weekend.

 

I think it will be financially beneficial to the PA residents to allow Sunday hunting, but they can't open their minds that much.

[letinmfly]

I gave up hunting in PA years ago because of the no Sunday hunting laws.  Working Mon-Fri and then making the run up to hunt on Saturday got old after a while.  Even though I killed a lot of deer and some turkeys in PA it just became to much of a hassle.

If some day it changes then I'll consider going back.

[Cabin Fever]

Never understood that law... stupid!

[Nomad]

Here is an interesting. take on the Fed.Judges ruling.

http://bearingarms.com/judge-rules-second-amendment-doesnt-protect-hunting/?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl

Edited June 23, 2014 by Larry302

[mike rossi]

Here is an interesting. take on the Fed.Judges ruling.

http://bearingarms.com/judge-rules-second-amendment-doesnt-protect-hunting/?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl

 

Larry,

 

I believe it was you who previously mentioned the pejorative term 'Fud" before... You are entitled to your opinion, but nothing in that article is relevant to the outcome. Here is why:  1) Using the courts - the judge decided it was NOT a second amendment issue. 2) Using the legislature the fuds have not built broad-based public support among farmers and outdoor recreationists. Therefore: The Non-fuds don't play into either number 1 nor number 2. The non-fuds had no bearing in the outcome and their support would not have effected the outcome.

 

Although I am active in second amendment rights, probably more than you and the author of that article put together.  However, the contention that it is the fuds which don't help the non fuds is absurd, it is the other way around. These big organizations such as bearing arms are going to create another counterproductive myth. I am willing to bet that some members of the Sunday coalition have fought for the 2A; but not one in bearing arms has fought for Sunday hunting or a host of other important issues.

 

A (productive) response would be:  The PA Sunday Hunting Coalition needs to better foster BROAD public acceptance of Sunday hunting. When we are truly trying to help, we make productive comments.

 

I actually was following this PA group, but got tired of their endless photos of deer heads , political slogans, and quasi-pornography. They indeed need some help, but they wont be getting it from me if I have to reinvent the wheel every day for them...

[Uncle Nicky]

That sucks.  I spend $110 a year on a non-resident hunting license and I hardly get into the woods.  Many hunters don't buy camps in PA because of this law.  PA hunters will buy a camp in Northwestern NY so they can hunt the whole weekend.

 

I think it will be financially beneficial to the PA residents to allow Sunday hunting, but they can't open their minds that much.

 

And this is EXACTLY why I posted this comment:

http://huntingny.com/forums/topic/22865-are-you-proud-to-be-from-ny/page-2

 

I bought my land in NY for exactly this reason. The whole "no Sunday hunting" argument is ludicrous, but you'd be surprised at the people in this state who are 100% behind it. Sooner or later this will change, but I'm not counting on it any time real soon.

[Meat Manager]

I agree with Mike that this second amendment approach was a born loser.

That said I stand behind my statement, if political farm organizations want to continue to block Sunday hunting then the red tag system should be amended to exclude those farmers unwilling to open more fair chase opportunities.

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[mike rossi]

I agree with Mike that this second amendment approach was a born loser.

That said I stand behind my statement, if political farm organizations want to continue to block Sunday hunting then the red tag system should be amended to exclude those farmers unwilling to open more fair chase opportunities.

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How could you determine which farmers to exclude?

 

The main premise against Sunday hunting by both farmers and outdoor recreationists is time-equity, yet with the exception of a few unprotected species, very little hunting occurs outside of the autumn. The farmer generally does not see hunters outside of the autumn and outdoor recreationists are not restricted to hunting seasons as hunters are. The outdoor recreationist might complain that the weather is not pleasant outside the autumn, but hunting is effected by the weather in more ways than comfort. For example rain can cancel a bow hunt. The wrong wind can cancel a waterfowl hunt, but the conditions on Sunday might be ideal... The list goes on and on. They really do not have a strong time-equity argument, we do.

 

But even that being the case, I think hunters need to give up this idea they can twist the public's arm or the belief that we are such a powerful political influence and realize we need to work toward fostering public acceptance. I am not saying convert people into hunters, I am saying get them to accept hunting. 

 

Additionally, state wildlife agencies should launch educational outreach directed to outdoor recreationists. That outreach should address time-equity by explaining most hunting is restricted to "hunting seasons" and that weather has an array of effects on hunting. The problem with outreach is that state wildlife departments often implement it at the time a regulation change is proposed. The public should be "primed" ahead of time so that they are less likely to oppose new proposals.

[jrm]

The main premise against Sunday hunting by both farmers and outdoor recreationists is time-equity, yet with the exception of a few unprotected species, very little hunting occurs outside of the autumn. The farmer generally does not see hunters outside of the autumn and outdoor recreationists are not restricted to hunting seasons as hunters are. The outdoor recreationist might complain that the weather is not pleasant outside the autumn, but hunting is effected by the weather in more ways than comfort. For example rain can cancel a bow hunt. The wrong wind can cancel a waterfowl hunt, but the conditions on Sunday might be ideal... The list goes on and on. They really do not have a strong time-equity argument, we do.

 

 

Excellent point and one that needs to be communicated more widely.

 

Among other things, I am involved in a non-hunting related outdoor recreation group. At a recent meeting there was some talk about the new crossbow proposals in NY as well as a fear of "expanded hunting seasons." It was all a complete misunderstanding (since everything was either wrong information or information that didn't effect this group at all).

 

They also argued that the fall was the "best" time of year for their own activities. 

 

I kept explaining about the relatively short hunting season - much of which happens during "winter" weather conditions. I also tried to point out the advantages of aligning with sportsman/hunting groups since we actually have many of the same goal. Not sure I got through as too many seem to have both a fear of guns and a distain for "bambi killers."

 

Sometimes I think the "outdoor recreationist" arguments are a little disingenuous. While they like to throw out reasons like "time equality" I think their real reason for opposition is they do no like hunting.

 

Along the same lines it also seems rooted in the rampant disrespect for others that permeates our society. If "I" don't like or participate in that activity, then that activity really doesn't matter. "My" activity is "better" and deserves more rights/access/etc. than yours.

Edited June 24, 2014 by jrm

[Meat Manager]

How could you determine which farmers to exclude?

Force all farmers through a dmap system prior to red tag eligibility and those who don't allow Sunday hunting get 14% fewer red tags than farmers who do.

Meanwhile if farmers don't fill a percentage of dmaps first they don't get red tags for the offseason...if farmers don't employ fair chase strategies in season they get no help.

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Edited June 24, 2014 by Meat Manager

[Nomad]

It's spelled Fudd two D 's capital F ,and thanks for letting me have an opinion !

[mike rossi]

Excellent point and one that needs to be communicated more widely.

 

Among other things, I am involved in a non-hunting related outdoor recreation group. At a recent meeting there was some talk about the new crossbow proposals in NY as well as a fear of "expanded hunting seasons." It was all a complete misunderstanding (since everything was either wrong information or information that didn't effect this group at all).

 

They also argued that the fall was the "best" time of year for their own activities. 

 

I kept explaining about the relatively short hunting season - much of which happens during "winter" weather conditions. I also tried to point out the advantages of aligning with sportsman/hunting groups since we actually have many of the same goal. Not sure I got through as too many seem to have both a fear of guns and a distain for "bambi killers."

 

Sometimes I think the "outdoor recreationist" arguments are a little disingenuous. While they like to throw out reasons like "time equality" I think their real reason for opposition is they do no like hunting.

 

Along the same lines it also seems rooted in the rampant disrespect for others that permeates our society. If "I" don't like or participate in that activity, then that activity really doesn't matter. "My" activity is "better" and deserves more rights/access/etc. than yours.

 

Jim,

 

Invite me to your meetings, I will talk to them about it with you.