Spraying field

[jersey guy]

Heading north to property is it to cold to spray fields was told it should be consistently 70 degrees to be affective .dont wanna waste $ any thoughts or help appreciated

[growalot]

60day time...50's night..I try for and don't forget to add a surfactant...lots of rain due here..and freezing nights...no spraying yet...

[jersey guy]

Thanks grow appreciate you always answering my questions if you don't mind I'm not familiar with surfactants where would I purchase them and what do they do

[growalot]

It is a formulation that simple put increases the penetration of the weed killer..also called adjuvants. Now round up is formulated,containing this but it is needed with Slay and Arrest...there are different kinds...usually sell for around 12.00 a pint...farm type stores,Wht Tail Institute, Away,T/S/C tractor supply etc...

Edited April 21, 2015 by growalot

[growalot]

Remember with generic glyphosate assume it does not contain a surfactant unless specified on container...

here for example is one brand

 

http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/top-surf-nonionic-80-20-surfactant-1-gal

[jersey guy]

Got it thanks again

[SplitG2]

If spraying gly..plants must be growing. 

[IRL]

As a forest owner/manager, I respectfully challenge the use of glyphosate and other herbicides for this purposes.  Targeted use of herbicides for invasive plant removal/control has value but spraying for food plots, in my opinion, is not sound management of wildlife habitat.  It all starts with healthy soil and lots of pollinators.  I encourage hunters to focus on long term forest management and habitat improvement.  NY Forest Owners Association, Cornell, Syracuse U and Penn State are good resources.

[jersey guy]

Yellow barn tried the timber management habitat improvement .I got burned from logger and forester foodplots are much easier and more productive .herbicide is a tool for people without large equipment

[IRL]

Loggers come last and not first, and should always be managed by a Professional Forester who comes with great references. You sound frustrated and want quick results so you can shoot deer. Never too late to rethink your strategy. My forester is also a wildlife biologist and told me if that if I wanted to shoot deer for the next 5 years make a food plot (most abandon after 5 years and they revert to low quality scrub brush). If you want to shoot deer for the rest of your life then implement a forest management plan. Manage your land for all wildlife habitat and not just a plot of annual plants for deer to eat.

[phade]

I just bought a gallon of gly.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

I just bought a gallon of gly.

Same here. This will allow you to kill deer for 5 years and still have some left over to kill some 5 more years. There is only so much you can do in the forest but the sky is the limit in the food plotting area. Gly is a very important tool in that. Unless you have alot of time on your hands or like to see your blood and sweat wasted!

[jersey guy]

yellow barn maybe you can re read my response i also hired a licensed forester it was him that burned me .I glad you had a better experience with yours by the way the forester i use came highly reccomened by  a well known wny land manager

[thphm]

I have no idea of what size food plot you are talking about but why can't you just turn what is there over ( the farmers did this for centuries ) before these spray thing came out that now have a lot of questions about how safe they are for us and what we eat.

[phade]

I have no idea of what size food plot you are talking about but why can't you just turn what is there over ( the farmers did this for centuries ) before these spray thing came out that now have a lot of questions about how safe they are for us and what we eat.

 

Can you find me a $10 tractor? Because that's all it costs me to wipe out a half acre or so (and that's not buying in volume).

[thphm]

If money is more important then your health , so let it be.

[growalot]

I feel for you Jersey guy...We did every thing our selves..what an eye opener to shadiness..not all, but a couple ..real bad one..even in the light of knowing we were knowledgeable....  and man we tried to warn the neighbors on ppl they had come in and the " Forrest Manager"......everyone of them were done like a hooker during fleet week...Then they cried to us...really ? We both nearly chewed our tongues off being good enough to avoid the ITYS's that welled up inside us...

[jersey guy]

Live and learn sometimes the hard way grow now I only take on projects I can handle myself or with hunting buddies help.Omg would love to try organic plotting someday but right now tractor not happening 2 boys in college

[Berniez]

Habitat improvement is a long term project. IF you don't have a plan be prepared for spending money with little return. IF you have no money get a Forester and have the place logged correctly for wildlife enhancement (yes there is a difference in how the logging is done.)

Food plots are there to lure the deer to your place. IF you want more deer you need to have a great food supply available all year long...not just during deer season.

Next winter look at the property and the available food supply/cover in February. If it is sparse or non-existent you will know that the carrying capacity of your property is low.

If you want more deer/turkey make your habitat goal to have ample cover and a consistent food supply available ALL YEAR LONG not just a food plot attractant for the fall.

Logging helps but year round accessible food sources is mandatory if you want deer year round not just in the fall. (Its not a bad thing just know that it is not really a help to the overall health of the herd.

In the past 10 years I have left at LEAST 3 acres of corn/soybeans standing as a winter food source (not a food plot) next to 20+ acres of duck ponds/marsh/swamp that was funded 80% by the feds. This has worked extremely well and the average antlered buck taken is close to 8pts. from a dismal 3pts. 15 years ago. Last week we found both sheds from a real nice buck less than 50 yards from the swamp.(I hope the pictureis attached)

Nothing is fast or easy but persistence pays off. Good luck and wait till the day temp is over 60 and actively growing before you spray....cause it is not going to work until then.

[jersey guy]

Beaniez your results was what I was after unfortunately after these experts were done I didn't qualify for any assistance 480 program was denied.I live 31/2 hrs away from property don't have time or knowledge to do tsi .good luck with your place impressive rack for sure

[growalot]

Jersey guy if you have any questions or ideas you want to run by someone...I'm glad to help as best I can...

[jersey guy]

Thanks grow you and others are always helpful I'm heading up next week to update soil samples and move on from there with spraying then deciding what to plant that's when questions start lol

[phade]

Habitat improvement is a long term project. IF you don't have a plan be prepared for spending money with little return. IF you have no money get a Forester and have the place logged correctly for wildlife enhancement (yes there is a difference in how the logging is done.)

Food plots are there to lure the deer to your place. IF you want more deer you need to have a great food supply available all year long...not just during deer season.

Next winter look at the property and the available food supply/cover in February. If it is sparse or non-existent you will know that the carrying capacity of your property is low.

If you want more deer/turkey make your habitat goal to have ample cover and a consistent food supply available ALL YEAR LONG not just a food plot attractant for the fall.

Logging helps but year round accessible food sources is mandatory if you want deer year round not just in the fall. (Its not a bad thing just know that it is not really a help to the overall health of the herd.

In the past 10 years I have left at LEAST 3 acres of corn/soybeans standing as a winter food source (not a food plot) next to 20+ acres of duck ponds/marsh/swamp that was funded 80% by the feds. This has worked extremely well and the average antlered buck taken is close to 8pts. from a dismal 3pts. 15 years ago. Last week we found both sheds from a real nice buck less than 50 yards from the swamp.(I hope the pictureis attached)

Nothing is fast or easy but persistence pays off. Good luck and wait till the day temp is over 60 and actively growing before you spray....cause it is not going to work until then.

 

Managing year round is great when acreage is available. Managing for year-round food supply on small acreage brings into question this rule of thumb. Some managers are now starting to gear toward attraction in-season when goals are to have deer on the property when they can be killed. Obviously cover is a good thing, but from a food source prospect, small acreage year-round focus might not be as efficient of time and resources as targeting the season periods.

[growalot]

well I'll just beg to differ on that and leave it alone.

[phade]

I don't care where they are or what they are doing in January-July when I'm dealing with a 40 acre parcel. They can go eat all of the neighbors crops for all I care and he can pick up their sheds and wonder why he's not there in-season as often as he was when the season was closed.