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We have a plot with a ton of clover in it from last years mix, and we want to get rid of the grasses to let the clover take over. I just called one of the local feed/seed places and was told that Arrest/Slay or Clethodim cannot be sold in NY any longer. Has anyone else heard this, or am I getting bad info?

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I sure as heck hope not....Cleth is probably the second most valuable tool in plotting to me after Round-Up.

 

A little late to be spraying cleth, that stuff does much better on growing plants because that is how it kills (forces the plant leaves into overdrive essentially causing the roots to have a heart attack and die). It'll probably take a good 30 days for a kill off and might not be great at this time of year. It'll work, but definitely nothing like a spring application on a clover plot.

 

We just sprayed cleth but it was on sod that has regenerated after discing, so its actively growing.

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don't know either.... I've got a couple clover plots I've used as staging areas that I just haven't gotten to.  I only have non-selective spray and haven't gotten around to get getting anything else.  I hope that's not the case either.

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Cleth is so useful because it controls grass weeds that can outcompete young plants in clover and brassica plots. It doesn't do anything to broadleafs, but its not often broadleafs impact a plot so much that it cannot get started. Having a handful of broadleaf weeds in a plot really are not an issue in many cases...we're not farmers, and often many of the broadleafs are weeds that deer actually utilize.

 

Cleth does help maintain clover, I think it adds a year or two onto a clover plot's lifespan.Eventually though it gets into diminishing returns because established clover just fixes N into the soil and eventually the grasses feed off of that stuff like steroids and you have a losing battle.

 

I really hope cleth isn't being outlawed for use. That would stink.

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I did mow them earlier in the summer but I feel like when I get down there I won't find much clover.  it'll probably be all grass and some weeds.   I'll probably let them go at this point.  keep it mowed, frost seed it in the spring, and hopefully I can spray it with cleth or something like it.  maybe it'd be better to wait, spray to kill everything off first and then seed.  in the past before I turned them into plots they'd grow 7 foot tall weeds... something maybe like iron weed.  not sure but some of it is probably there again.  years past it was late standing corn as a destination so the deer didn't stage too long.  this year it's all beans so it'll be even better... guess I've dropped the ball this year a little.

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There it is...I sorta been waiting for this about 5 years now....With the ever increasing popularity of plotting /gentleman farmers...The DEC and or environmentalists would have to take notice. There are certain regulations put on farmers and their applications but not on the small guy...Well the small guy has now turned into a  large mass of lands being sprayed with lots of stuff and unregulated...It's easier to say no to the stuff they can get a hold of and leave farmers with the stuff they need application permits for. I'm very surprised Round Up hasn't had this happen yet...

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There it is...I sorta been waiting for this about 5 years now....With the ever increasing popularity of plotting /gentleman farmers...The DEC and or environmentalists would have to take notice. There are certain regulations put on farmers and their applications but not on the small guy...Well the small guy has now turned into a  large mass of lands being sprayed with lots of stuff and unregulated...It's easier to say no to the stuff they can get a hold of and leave farmers with the stuff they need application permits for. I'm very surprised Round Up hasn't had this happen yet...

 

isn't round up just glyphosate with slight amounts of other stuff depending on what you're using?  glyphosate is ridiculously common.  ban that and we'll be spraying with 55 gal barrels of vinegar. lol  then trying to balance the dirt pH after.

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I looked into this a bit and I believe it is not the checmical/pesticide/herbicide, but rather the product or brand not being registered with the state. PS Clethodium isn't approved for sale in many states and is a pretty common brand, thus many retailers are not able to get them from whoesalers if that is what they offer. Next thing you know, people interpret it as a rule/law/reg changes.

 

Certain brands that are approved or registered can still be sold from the way I read it.

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