Marion Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 that does not mean free handouts from the government, aka stolen from rich and given to lazy (some not all) poorYou Can't Beat My Meat! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat junkie Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) that does not mean free handouts from the government, aka stolen from rich and given to lazy (some not all) poor You Can't Beat My Meat! I knew some narrow minded conservative would say something like that. It doesn't mean that the economy should be rigged so that a few can get wealthy at the expense of the common man. 45 years ago it wasn't, but few of the people on this forum where in the work force then. Edited February 19, 2016 by wildcat junkie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marion Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I knew some narrow minded conservative would say something like that. It doesn't mean that the economy should be rigged so that a few can get wealthy at the expense of the common man. 45 years ago it wasn't, but few of the people on this forum where in the work force then. What I stated was in no way narrow minded. Listen here Chief you shouldn't blame those who take the risk to become entrepreneurs and actually succeed in their endeavors and subsequently become rich for the losers who for whatever reason decide not to take any chances and as a result are making peanuts in comparison. Explain to me how it is fair to tax success and reward mediocrity. I am all ears. If you can lay out a convincing argument then I may be persuaded to believe your view, but until that is the case taking money from one group to give to another is completely absurd. It's something called personal responsibility, I suggest this country starts to learn about it. You Can't Beat My Meat! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat junkie Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 What I stated was in no way narrow minded. Listen here Chief you shouldn't blame those who take the risk to become entrepreneurs and actually succeed in their endeavors and subsequently become rich for the losers who for whatever reason decide not to take any chances and as a result are making peanuts in comparison. Explain to me how it is fair to tax success and reward mediocrity. I am all ears. If you can lay out a convincing argument then I may be persuaded to believe your view, but until that is the case taking money from one group to give to another is completely absurd. It's something called personal responsibility, I suggest this country starts to learn about it. You Can't Beat My Meat! Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living? Are you a self employed entrepreneur? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntscreek Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 The Founding Fathers did not intend for the definition of welfare to change. Over the years plenty of people have the "welfare" loophole going on. This country is giving welfare to abled body people and has created a subculture. The narrow minded have Traded Votes for welfare, the whole Free thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marion Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living? Are you a self employed entrepreneur?I work in finance and also plan on going fully live with my beef jerky and turn that eventually into a full time job. And I blame no man or woman for any of my successes or failures, for they are my own and my own solely.You Can't Beat My Meat! Edited February 19, 2016 by The Jerkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptown Redneck Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I work in finance... And there you have it, the industry that drove the world economy into the ground and then ran to the government for a bailout. Yet when an individual needs help they are nothing but "free-loading losers". Hypricosy at its best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I work in finance... And there you have it, the industry that drove the world economy into the ground ...by issuing loans to unqualified individuals, at the mandate of the Government. Just so the whole story in in there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneam2006 Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 What I stated was in no way narrow minded. Listen here Chief you shouldn't blame those who take the risk to become entrepreneurs and actually succeed in their endeavors and subsequently become rich for the losers who for whatever reason decide not to take any chances and as a result are making peanuts in comparison. Explain to me how it is fair to tax success and reward mediocrity. I am all ears. If you can lay out a convincing argument then I may be persuaded to believe your view, but until that is the case taking money from one group to give to another is completely absurd. It's something called personal responsibility, I suggest this country starts to learn about it. You Can't Beat My Meat! Well said Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptown Redneck Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) by issuing loans to unqualified individuals Which they repackaged and sold off to other investors, relieving the banks of most of the risk, thus leading to the downfall of the financial markets and the entire economy. Yet the banks got a bailout while thousands of people lost their homes and saving due to the predatory lending practices of Wall Street banks. Edited February 19, 2016 by Uptown Redneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodchuck Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Way to change the subject Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marion Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 by issuing loans to unqualified individuals Which they repackaged and sold off to other investors, relieving the banks of most of the risk, thus leading to the downfall of the financial markets and the entire economy. Yet the banks got a bailout while thousands of people lost their homes and saving due to the predatory lending practices of Wall Street banks. Again I reiterate, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS!!!! Anyone with half a brain knows you should not spend money you do not have. If you make 25k a year you shouldn't take out a loan for 900k with a term of 30 years. You would never be able to pay it back even if every penny you made would go to said loan. Just because someone will offer me 10 million dollars today to be paid off in 2 years doesn't mean I should take it. I couldn't pay off that loan in 10 years. It all boils down to just because someone is willing to give you something, does not mean you should accept it. If someone is willing to push you off a bridge, but there is a high likelihood you'll probably die in the process vs potential enjoyment (as a cliff diver) that doesn't mean you should accept that push. Again personal responsibility is key. And in regards to the banks they paid all of the money back in full and then some in record time. So please how about you take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming everyone else. It's quite infantile to have this mindset and I would suggest that you mature and grow out of it. That also stands true and goes for the country as a whole. Now quitcher bitchin! You Can't Beat My Meat! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 by issuing loans to unqualified individuals Which they repackaged and sold off to other investors, relieving the banks of most of the risk, thus leading to the downfall of the financial markets and the entire economy. Yet the banks got a bailout while thousands of people lost their homes and saving due to the predatory lending practices of Wall Street banks. So if you were forced to take on a liability that was below your normal standards and had an opportunity to pawn it off on someone else, you wouldn't? Come on, this from the guy who does as little as possible to get by in life? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Again I reiterate, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS!!!! Anyone with half a brain knows you should not spend money you do not have. If you make 25k a year you shouldn't take out a loan for 900k with a term of 30 years. You would never be able to pay it back even if every penny you made would go to said loan. Just because someone will offer me 10 million dollars today to be paid off in 2 years doesn't mean I should take it. I couldn't pay off that loan in 10 years. It all boils down to just because someone is willing to give you something, does not mean you should accept it. If someone is willing to push you off a bridge, but there is a high likelihood you'll probably die in the process vs potential enjoyment (as a cliff diver) that doesn't mean you should accept that push. Again personal responsibility is key. And in regards to the banks they paid all of the money back in full and then some in record time. So please how about you take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming everyone else. It's quite infantile to have this mindset and I would suggest that you mature and grow out of it. That also stands true and goes for the country as a whole. Now quitcher bitchin! You Can't Beat My Meat! It's because these folks also did as little as possible to get by in school and don't understand basic economics. They wouldn't understand personal responsibility if it hit them on the nose. When I bought my first house and saw the high amount they pre-approved me for I said , "Well that isn't happening". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptown Redneck Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 And if you read my post you would have saw I said "PREDATORY" banks. They clearly, knowing that they would not have to shoulder the risk, preyed upon financially inept people who did not know any better. That plus they offered up adjustable loans under the false promise that those loans would be refinanced at an affordable fixed rate in the future, a future their careless, profit driven environment never allowed to happen. You speak of the responsibility of the borrowers but you fail to mention that the banks, who should have been doing their part to insure the credit-worthiness of their borrowers,were just as eager to lend as the borrowers were willing to go into debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marion Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Never once did I mention that the banks were completely in the clear either. So please do not put words in my mouth. You Can't Beat My Meat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 And if you read my post you would have saw I said "PREDATORY" banks. They clearly, knowing that they would not have to shoulder the risk, preyed upon financially inept people who did not know any better. That plus they offered up adjustable loans under the false promise that those loans would be refinanced at an affordable fixed rate in the future, a future their careless, profit driven environment never allowed to happen. You speak of the responsibility of the borrowers but you fail to mention that the banks, who should have been doing their part to insure the credit-worthiness of their borrowers,were just as eager to lend as the borrowers were willing to go into debt. and yet again. Where are you addressing the Government mandate to meet specific demographic goals, regardless of theirpersonal financial stability. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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