Donald Trump says he would implement nationwide stop and frisk policy

[LJC]

2 hours ago, Core said:

I would also allow cops to frisk me whenever they want if it saves thousands of lives, but that's not really what the math works out to. On the contrary they would frisk hundreds/thousands (no idea) of people for every life saved.

BTW this is the best article anybody on the planet has ever conceived of as far as why "nothing to hide" (or I've done nothing illegal) is not a compelling argument. Short version: you're probably a criminal even if you don't know it.

Long version: https://www.wired.com/2013/06/why-i-have-nothing-to-hide-is-the-wrong-way-to-think-about-surveillance/

Cops not going to bother you unless you look like a dirt bag and acting suspicious . You go to those  neighborhoods it's obvious who is who you will  see the same jerk offs standing on a street corner with gold teeth and tats pants falling off  looking around  what do u think he is up to charity work   you think there going to frisk little old lady's lol 

Edited September 23, 2016 by LJC

[Core]

16 minutes ago, LJC said:

Cops not going to bother you unless you look like a dirt bag and acting suspicious . You go to those  neighborhoods it's obvious who is who you will  see the same jerk offs standing on a street corner with gold teeth and tats pants falling off  looking around  what do u think he is up to charity work   you think there going to frisk little old lady's lol 

This is generally true, but not always. It's the exceptions that the 4th amendment was made for; the times when cops are bothering you even though you don't look and act suspicious.

[Uptown Redneck]

The last thing we need to do is give the thugs in blue anymore power. They are not able to wisely use the authority they now have, giving these clowns more power will only result in them abusing even more people then they already do. 

[LJC]

6 minutes ago, Uptown Redneck said:

The last thing we need to do is give the thugs in blue anymore power. They are not able to wisely use the authority they now have, giving these clowns more power will only result in them abusing even more people then they already do. 

Some of these places like Chicago are worse then war zones if you live there the least of your problems would be a cop frisking you there not going to be doing this in farm land if you know what I mean .

[Uptown Redneck]

1 hour ago, LJC said:

Some of these places like Chicago are worse then war zones if you live there the least of your problems would be a cop frisking you there not going to be doing this in farm land if you know what I mean .

When stop and frisk was tried in Chicago the result was the legislature passed a law calling for oversight of its use after it was found to be abusive in its use against blacks. So once again further proof that the police abuse whatever authority they are given.    

[LJC]

3 hours ago, Uptown Redneck said:

When stop and frisk was tried in Chicago the result was the legislature passed a law calling for oversight of its use after it was found to be abusive in its use against blacks. So once again further proof that the police abuse whatever authority they are given.    

Ok have it your way let them kill each other because the drug dealers figured out all they need to do is get some scumbag lawyer to make up some  bs  to stop the cops from busting them with stop and frisk 

Chicago Police Department's "stop and frisks" down 80 percent in 2016 

Feb 1, 2016 - As shootings and murders spike one major component of Chicago police crime fighting is way down.

Edited September 23, 2016 by LJC

[diplomat019]

9 hours ago, Big John said:

Have anyone of us been "stopped and frisked"? Answer NO, why you might ask because we don't look like  or  act like or maybe even known to be a criminal! If you are standing on a street corner with a box of illegal dvds or a cardboard with a bunch of electronics in it for sale and you are already violating a city ordinance you deserve what you get. Don't act like a criminal don't get stopped!

Have you ever worked a job off the books? Ever been paid in cash for something you did and not reported to the IRS? I probably say 99% of us on this website has done one of those things.If so then you're just as much is a criminal as the guy selling DVDs on the corner.

[LJC]

1 hour ago, diplomat019 said:

Have you ever worked a job off the books? Ever been paid in cash for something you did and not reported to the IRS? I probably say 99% of us on this website has done one of those things.If so then you're just as much is a criminal as the guy selling DVDs on the corner.

The people in those areas want it both ways Which is inpossible they don't want the cops looking for possible criminals  but they don't want the crime either you can't have it both ways 

[Big John]

14 hours ago, diplomat019 said:

Have you ever worked a job off the books? Ever been paid in cash for something you did and not reported to the IRS? I probably say 99% of us on this website has done one of those things.If so then you're just as much is a criminal as the guy selling DVDs on the corner.

None of the instances have ever caused anyone to be STOPPED AND FRISKED, none of that is openly standing on a street corner COMMITING a crime. Check your basket you have some apples in with your oranges!

Edited September 24, 2016 by Big John

[diplomat019]

22 minutes ago, Big John said:

None of the instances have ever caused anyone to be STOPPED AND FRISKED, none of that is openly standing on a street corner COMMITING a crime. Check your basket you have some apples in with your oranges!

 

I wonder why it hasn't resulted in anyone getting stopped?  Why is a guy in the corner selling dvds stopped and frisked but a guy cutting grass of the books isnt?

[Big John]

WHAT? Ok you missed an "F" , the difference is the person selling DVDs on the street corner is in violation of the law in front of the police! First it is illegal to pirate dvds, second he is in violation of public transpiration laws by blocking the walkway, third the police can ask him for his permit to sell anything in a public area and if he has none he is in violation of the law. All instances allow them to issue a ticket and check him for contraband, including but not limited to asking him to empty his pockets or frisk him. Now before you start babbling about no such laws do a search...... 

Edited September 24, 2016 by Big John

[diplomat019]

Ok. Got it.  So committing a crime behind the polices back is more acceptable.   And we want to know why the morals of this country are going in the shitter. 

[Big John]

Your basket is screwed up again! I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT COMITTING ANY CRIME WAS OK! Stop and frisk is legal under any of the reasons I described and others. That's it. Now you are obviously trolling I am done.

[diplomat019]

24 minutes ago, Big John said:

Your basket is screwed up again! I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT COMITTING ANY CRIME WAS OK! Stop and frisk is legal under any of the reasons I described and others. That's it. Now you are obviously trolling I am done.

Im not trolling.   But your responses seem to come with some added comments.  I can go that route to if you want to act like kids.  

 

Stop and frisk is a violation of the fourth amendment.  Anyone who will nit make any budges on the second amendment yet will chop up the others has no concept of principals.  

 

just as easy as the police can stop and frisk some black kid with a hoodie from a inner city neighborhood for no reason, they can stop stop someone in a pickup with a trump sticker for being a crazed anti govt. militia member based off the assumption that white guys in the country who drive pickups have guns on them. Dont be so quick to give up our rights as a country.   

 

Papist is regularly spreading info on the leftists takeover of america   Take notice   once hillary is elected (if she is) then watch out because you my friend will be on the wrong end of stop and frisk  

 

 

[Big John]

The 4th amendment has NOTHING to do with probable cause which I outlined in all of the posts. Check the laws.

[diplomat019]

BJ-  Here is the problem with that imo.  Probable cause can be what?  I understand what your saying.  And I agree to an extent.  But all too often it is nothing more than harassment of innocent people.  Look at the statistics of people stopped compared to people charged.  When over 90% of people who are stopped, frisked and harassed for doing nothing. I want to know what probable cause are LEO finding?   Are they inept at their job?  If you failed at your job 90% the time you would be canned tomorrow.  

 

I am a realist.  I understand there are times that an innocent person will fit the description and detained.  But over 90% makes you wonder what the hell is going on.   Anyway.  Im not ready to hand the federal govt more power to have the right to implement a nationwide stop and frisk.  You might trust DT to do the right thing but he won't be president forever and you better be careful who you give that power too.

 

[Big John]

35 minutes ago, diplomat019 said:

 When over 90% of people who are stopped, frisked and harassed for doing nothing. 

 

Ok first of all there is no proof of the statistic you mention. Having said that being stopped and frisked does NOT mean you are going to be arrested IE the policeman / woman is nice enough to let you off with a warning about your probable cause..... tail light is out, staggering home drunk gives you a ride home so you aren't hit by a car instead of taking you downtown to the drunk tank and issuing a ticket........ and so on. Last there is already as I mentioned previously laws in every state in the union which allow for that activity so what difference does it make if the federal government agrees with them, none do to the fact that states have long since ignored federal laws in the past and will do so in the future.

[Big John]

Below is a chart of stop and frisks for NYPD in summery 38,177 arrests made and 38,177 summons issued, without stop and frisk those arrests will not happen!

[diplomat019]

says who?  how do you know those arrests done happen?  where does it say that?

 

 Nearly nine out of 10 stopped-and-frisked New Yorkers have been completely innocent, according to the NYPD’s own reports:

• In 2002, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 97,296 times.
  80,176 were totally innocent (82 percent).
• In 2003, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 160,851 times.
  140,442 were totally innocent (87 percent).
  77,704 were black (54 percent).
  44,581 were Latino (31 percent).
  17,623 were white (12 percent).
  83,499 were aged 14-24 (55 percent).
• In 2004, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 313,523 times.
  278,933 were totally innocent (89 percent).
  155,033 were black (55 percent).
  89,937 were Latino (32 percent).
  28,913 were white (10 percent).
  152,196 were aged 14-24 (52 percent).
• In 2005, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 398,191 times.
  352,348 were totally innocent (89 percent).
  196,570 were black (54 percent).
  115,088 were Latino (32 percent).
  40,713 were white (11 percent).
  189,854 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).
• In 2006, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 506,491 times.
  457,163 were totally innocent (90 percent).
  267,468 were black (53 percent).
  147,862 were Latino (29 percent).
  53,500 were white (11 percent).
  247,691 were aged 14-24 (50 percent).
• In 2007, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 472,096 times.
  410,936 were totally innocent (87 percent).
  243,766 were black (54 percent).
  141,868 were Latino (31 percent).
  52,887 were white (12 percent).
  223,783 were aged 14-24 (48 percent).
• In 2008, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 540,302 times.
  474,387 were totally innocent (88 percent).
  275,588 were black (53 percent).
  168,475 were Latino (32 percent).
  57,650 were white (11 percent).
  263,408 were aged 14-24 (49 percent).
• In 2009, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 581,168 times.
  510,742 were totally innocent (88 percent).
  310,611 were black (55 percent).
  180,055 were Latino (32 percent).
  53,601 were white (10 percent).
  289,602 were aged 14-24 (50 percent).
• In 2010, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 601,285 times.
  518,849 were totally innocent (86 percent).
  315,083 were black (54 percent).
  189,326 were Latino (33 percent).
  54,810 were white (9 percent).
  295,902 were aged 14-24 (49 percent).
• In 2011, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 685,724 times.
  605,328 were totally innocent (88 percent).
  350,743 were black (53 percent).
  223,740 were Latino (34 percent).
  61,805 were white (9 percent).
  341,581 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).
• In 2012, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 532,911 times
  473,644 were totally innocent (89 percent).
  284,229 were black (55 percent).
  165,140 were Latino (32 percent).
  50,366 were white (10 percent).
• In 2013, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 191,558 times.
  169,252 were totally innocent (88 percent).
  104,958 were black (56 percent).
  55,191 were Latino (29 percent).
  20,877 were white (11 percent).
• In 2014, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 45,787 times.
  37,744 were totally innocent (82 percent).
  24,319 were black (53 percent).
  12,489 were Latino (27 percent).
  5,467 were white (12 percent).
• In 2015, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 22,939 times.
  18,353 were totally innocent (80 percent).
  12,223 were black (54 percent).
  6,598 were Latino (29 percent).
  2,567 were white (11 percent).

 

 

IS the NYPD lying about their own stats?

[diplomat019]

 

 

Papist.  Would you like to comment on this?  Maybe Aj is lying?  But we both know he isn't.......

[diplomat019]

24 minutes ago, Big John said:

Below is a chart of stop and frisks for NYPD in summery 38,177 arrests made and 38,177 summons issued, without stop and frisk those arrests will not happen!

You support Mayor Bloomberg and his policies.  Thats fine.  I just see things differently.  To each his own. 

[diplomat019]

http://www.infowars.com/stopped-and-frisked-for-being-a-fking-mutt-video/

 

 

[Big John]

Again you accuse me of doing something I am not! The simple matter is the laws already exist!

[LJC]

2 hours ago, diplomat019 said:

says who?  how do you know those arrests done happen?  where does it say that?

 

 Nearly nine out of 10 stopped-and-frisked New Yorkers have been completely innocent, according to the NYPD’s own reports:

• In 2002, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 97,296 times.
  80,176 were totally innocent (82 percent).
• In 2003, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 160,851 times.
  140,442 were totally innocent (87 percent).
  77,704 were black (54 percent).
  44,581 were Latino (31 percent).
  17,623 were white (12 percent).
  83,499 were aged 14-24 (55 percent).
• In 2004, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 313,523 times.
  278,933 were totally innocent (89 percent).
  155,033 were black (55 percent).
  89,937 were Latino (32 percent).
  28,913 were white (10 percent).
  152,196 were aged 14-24 (52 percent).
• In 2005, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 398,191 times.
  352,348 were totally innocent (89 percent).
  196,570 were black (54 percent).
  115,088 were Latino (32 percent).
  40,713 were white (11 percent).
  189,854 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).
• In 2006, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 506,491 times.
  457,163 were totally innocent (90 percent).
  267,468 were black (53 percent).
  147,862 were Latino (29 percent).
  53,500 were white (11 percent).
  247,691 were aged 14-24 (50 percent).
• In 2007, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 472,096 times.
  410,936 were totally innocent (87 percent).
  243,766 were black (54 percent).
  141,868 were Latino (31 percent).
  52,887 were white (12 percent).
  223,783 were aged 14-24 (48 percent).
• In 2008, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 540,302 times.
  474,387 were totally innocent (88 percent).
  275,588 were black (53 percent).
  168,475 were Latino (32 percent).
  57,650 were white (11 percent).
  263,408 were aged 14-24 (49 percent).
• In 2009, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 581,168 times.
  510,742 were totally innocent (88 percent).
  310,611 were black (55 percent).
  180,055 were Latino (32 percent).
  53,601 were white (10 percent).
  289,602 were aged 14-24 (50 percent).
• In 2010, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 601,285 times.
  518,849 were totally innocent (86 percent).
  315,083 were black (54 percent).
  189,326 were Latino (33 percent).
  54,810 were white (9 percent).
  295,902 were aged 14-24 (49 percent).
• In 2011, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 685,724 times.
  605,328 were totally innocent (88 percent).
  350,743 were black (53 percent).
  223,740 were Latino (34 percent).
  61,805 were white (9 percent).
  341,581 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).
• In 2012, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 532,911 times
  473,644 were totally innocent (89 percent).
  284,229 were black (55 percent).
  165,140 were Latino (32 percent).
  50,366 were white (10 percent).
• In 2013, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 191,558 times.
  169,252 were totally innocent (88 percent).
  104,958 were black (56 percent).
  55,191 were Latino (29 percent).
  20,877 were white (11 percent).
• In 2014, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 45,787 times.
  37,744 were totally innocent (82 percent).
  24,319 were black (53 percent).
  12,489 were Latino (27 percent).
  5,467 were white (12 percent).
• In 2015, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 22,939 times.
  18,353 were totally innocent (80 percent).
  12,223 were black (54 percent).
  6,598 were Latino (29 percent).
  2,567 were white (11 percent).

 

 

IS the NYPD lying about their own stats?

So whats your point ? Most people that go through airport security don't have anything illegal on them either should we stop checking  by your logic 

Edited September 24, 2016 by LJC

[brownclown]

So whats your point ? Most people that go through airport security don't have anything illegal on them either should we stop checking  by your logic 

Yes. It is a total waste. They prevent nothing. They fail in just about every test.

They some of you talk I don't know to be more scared of the left or the right.

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