America as seen from abroad.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I actually found it quite insulting that I would be considered such a numbskull that Virgil would think I had to use Google to determine the number of examples of religion & politics mixed. These all came from memory, and from previous study. No use of Google whatsoever. His arguments are from ignorance, or for propaganda purposes solely. His mind numbed drivel is the same I hear from various leftists on various sites. Same old, same old.

LOL...you are opened mined and forward thinking if you fall in line with their veiws...if you stick to your beliefs and do not adopt theirs you are a caveman...uneducated...unenlightened ...and oh the list goes on. THey don't seem to mind sticking to their beliefs though and seem to really take offense when their immobility in their views are questioned

[virgil]

There is a reason why religion is known as 'the opiate of the masses'.  I just don't want my leaders to be under the influence.

Again, i never denied that religion and politics are and have been intermingled.  I just feel that it's dangerous.  It may work fine in a country where there is a state religion.  But, it's not practical in a country with many groups with many different religions.  And, i suspect that many of you guys would change your tune if there were someone in the White House whose religion was not in line with yours.  Isn't that why so many right-wingers were trying to scare each other into believing that Obama was muslim before he was elected?  I think this is another example where you guys are happy with the status quo because it falls in line with your own beliefs.  Not sure you'll feel the same when we have our first President of Jewish or Muslim faith.

You all confuse religion with a moral conscience.  Labeling oneself as part of any particular religion does not make someone a decent person- i think we can find countless examples to make this point. 

You guys are funny the way you pat each other on the back for agreeing with one another.  You all seem very easily threatened.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

If and when a person of a base religious value system is elected it will be due to the majority feeling comfortable with the beliefs put forward (let's skip the electoral college topic vs majority vote). When that happens...and it will...I will still be vocal about any effort to circumvent our founding documents until done through the correct channels

[virgil]

  If and when a person of a base religious value system is elected it will be due to the majority feeling comfortable with the beliefs put forward (let's skip the electoral college topic vs majority vote). When that happens...and it will...I will still be vocal about any effort to circumvent our founding documents until done through the correct channels    I think we're all probably on the same page on this one.  But, that wasn't really my question.

[nyantler]

I would also question anyone that tries to circumvent our constitution regardless of what religion he practices,, even if it is mine. I respect a man with religious convictions.. I look at a man without faith as a lost soul... and if he is lost in his own life then i don't want him making decisions that affect mine. I don't worry about such a man being elected as president because I don't think he could get elected with the current acceptance of God by the majorty of people in the country.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I read you questioning how "we" would feel and react if someone other than my religious views were elected

[virgil]

I look at a man without faith as a lost soul... and if he is lost in his own life then i don't want him making decisions that affect mine. I don't worry about such a man being elected as president because I don't think he could get elected with the current acceptance of God by the majorty of people in the country.

Exactly my point.  It sounds as if you can 'accept' any line of thinking that it consistent with your own.

[Mr VJP]

I can accept any line of thinking that I believe is for the good of the country as a whole.  Any line of thinking that can be exposed as detrimental to the future of the country is unacceptable IMHO.

I believe any proposed progressive changes bear the burden of proof regarding positive improvement for the country.  Recent history clearly shows progressive changes in the past few decades were a disaster.  Many Americans now see this and are not going to be fooled again.  Especially when the progressives claim the reason the past changes were a disaster is because they weren't progressive enough!

[Culvercreek hunt club]

I can accept any line of thinking....as just that....a thought. It is when the thoughts are acted on and they are contrary to what I belive is right is when I take issue. If some one with contrary thoughts to what is mainstream of established by our documents it is there burden to change my mind through the use of facts and proof....not just because the want me to change....if my opinion or thinking is contrary to the mainstream or founding documents....the burden then falls on me.

[nyantler]

I look at a man without faith as a lost soul... and if he is lost in his own life then i don't want him making decisions that affect mine. I don't worry about such a man being elected as president because I don't think he could get elected with the current acceptance of God by the majorty of people in the country.

Exactly my point.  It sounds as if you can 'accept' any line of thinking that it consistent with your own.

And that is bad why?... you are doing the same thing. it's human nature.. why would I side with views I disagree with?.. thats ridiculous

[Culvercreek hunt club]

But that is the new world order wayNY...the same folks that are so better and far ahead of us....you know....the same opened minded govt.that is putting the dude on trial for anti-semetic slurs

[nyantler]

Yeah how about that? One doesn't dare tell an ethnic joke any more... might get the chair!