What went wrong with US higher education?

[Rattler]

This is what went wrong.

http://dailysignal.com/2017/01/11/what-went-wrong-in-us-higher-ed-harvard-tells-the-story/?utm_source=TDS_Email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=MorningBell&mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTmpJM01ERm1OemhrTkdWbSIsInQiOiI1a1dIeTBGSUZuaER2K0wxSVQzaklTM1E2K3ZHd2FCWnNQUG9SNmN0czRSR0gwcklyekNiRzN6YTRRcHNRSjZHUzkyZ1RUQnFkVG1mTU1WM2YyUVZTdHBlaHNYeGF6RDRRaGpiU0JMM0wwcnZDXC9QQUNna2NvRjBYXC9JYnoyXC9ReCJ9

[philoshop]

The full assault of Socialism, under the guise of "Cultural Marxism", in the early 20th century put the last nail in that coffin. It was begun with the simple objective of taking over education, the entertainment industry, and the media, (the iron triangle of power), and it's been horribly successful.

[Core]

What the article misses is that modern students of universities are not secularists; they are still religious and adhere to "faith" as much as devout theologians. The difference is their religion is progressiveness. Do they not exhibit the same kind of faith? Look at Steve Harvey recently. He dared to meet with Trump and has received in his words a surprising backlash. What other group treats people who step outside the lines so nastily? Cults. You step outside the line and your cultists will crap upon your very name. 

[philoshop]

11 hours ago, Core said:

What the article misses is that modern students of universities are not secularists; they are still religious and adhere to "faith" as much as devout theologians. The difference is their religion is progressiveness. Do they not exhibit the same kind of faith? Look at Steve Harvey recently. He dared to meet with Trump and has received in his words a surprising backlash. What other group treats people who step outside the lines so nastily? Cults. You step outside the line and your cultists will crap upon your very name. 

Steve Harvey slipped up a bit when he said blacklash, before saying backlash... He was right the first time.

[The_Field_Ager]

 

[philoshop]

Many likes for that clip Papist! Far too many people just don't understand how this thinking works and what end-product is expected, and that it's become the standard in education today. It's diametrically opposed to any 'traditional American thought' and values, and it's being taught to the children of this country every day. It's scary.

[Rattler]

During the era of McCarthyism, the claim that Communists were infiltrating our society with the goal of destroying it, was vilified and attacked.  Today we can see that Joe McCarthy was correct, as it was infiltrating Hollywood and the public education system, right up to our universities, with subversion of our traditional values as the goal.  He knew it was happening, but didn't have the evidence to prove it.  Today, we have the evidence, but it's objective has already been achieved and the proof elicits no anger from the masses.

A couple of generations in America have been indoctrinated under this subversion.  And the mass media has become a willing accomplice to it.  It has been a well played, masterfully orchestrated act, of patient treason, the damage from which we may never recover.

[Padre86]

1 hour ago, Rattler said:

During the era of McCarthyism, the claim that Communists were infiltrating our society with the goal of destroying it, was vilified and attacked.  Today we can see that Joe McCarthy was correct, as it was infiltrating Hollywood and the public education system, right up to our universities, with subversion of our traditional values as the goal.  He knew it was happening, but didn't have the evidence to prove it.  Today, we have the evidence, but it's objective has already been achieved and the proof elicits no anger from the masses.

A couple of generations in America have been indoctrinated under this subversion.  And the mass media has become a willing accomplice to it.  It has been a well played, masterfully orchestrated act, of patient treason, the damage from which we may never recover.

I think the general trend, as it has always been, that people tend to be more liberal when they are young but generally become more conservative as they grow old (that applies to do a lot of different aspects of life, not just politics).  I've always pondered where all the "flower-power" and "hippie" era people have gone to in this country...that was at one point considered the hip and trending cultural view in this country.  But where are they all now?  Sure there are a few holdouts: the liberal, "free-your-mind" college professor; the crazy old lady who puts all kind of political bumper stickers on her car; the quiet, nondescript old person who voted for Bernie.  But by and large, I think most from that generation became more pragmatic and conservative as they grew older.  I think the same holds true for our current generation of young ones: they are full-of life and optimism now and a lot of them are naively drawn to the "progressive" party...but give it time.  They'll get older, have a family, have taxes and mortgages to pay, and gradually many of them (though not all) start to become more skeptical of the political fluff that many politicians throw out there (like "free" college for everyone).  I'm not saying they'll all switch from Democrats to Republicans, but certainly they'll become more skeptical of politicians in general and will be a lot more likely to vote for their personal interests rather than party interests.   Many Democrats don't want to admit to this, but many of the blue-collar voters who were instrumental in getting Obama elected twice, switched over to voting for Trump in this election...and I don't even think they did that because they liked Trump, but rather because they really disliked Hillary (and saw her as a continuation of Obama's policies which they also disliked).

 

As for liberal ideology permeating our academic system, it's been that way for a while.  And yeah maybe some kids get led astray by that crazy, ideological left-leaning professor for a bit.  But real world life is the big equalizer, and once those young ones get thrown out of college and get a dose of reality, I think a lot of them, if not most of them, will evolve in their views and perceptions of American politics.  So I'm not worried.

Edited January 20, 2017 by Padre86

[Rattler]

There's an old saying, "A leopard doesn't change it's spots".  

Aging hippies may have gotten jobs, bought homes and raised families, but they're attitudes and values never changed.  Just look at the belief system they have taught their offspring and you will have proof.  Besides many had careers in government, education or trendy tofu cafe's, so they never really entered the "real world" at any point in their lives.

They vote liberal with warm and fuzzy conviction, right up to the day they die.  Believe me, I know many of them, and no amount of "real world" experience ever effects them.

I think the drug usage really altered their minds beyond repair.

 

[Padre86]

14 minutes ago, Rattler said:

There's an old saying, "A leopard doesn't change it's spots".  

Aging hippies may have gotten jobs, bought homes and raised families, but they're attitudes and values never changed.  Just look at the belief system they have taught their offspring and you will have proof.  Besides many had careers in government, education or trendy tofu cafe's, so they never really entered the "real world" at any point in their lives.

They vote liberal with warm and fuzzy conviction, right up to the day they die.  Believe me, I know many of them, and no amount of "real world" experience ever effects them.

I think the drug usage really altered their minds beyond repair.

 

I'm not saying that all people change with age and experience, but some do.  I would bet dollars to donuts (that's a phrase right?) that some of the crucial blue-collar votes that got Trump into office were considered "hippies" in decades past.  

 

The young kids that you referred to earlier are 'young and dumb' as the phrase goes.  Everyone tends to start out that way but over time they learn and mature...I have faith that will hold true for this generation as it has for those of years past.  I wouldn't worry over the current academic environment; like I said it's been that way for a while now.  And it doesn't influence people's thinking as much as we are all led to believe...there is such a thing as free will and independent thought.

Edited January 20, 2017 by Padre86

[Rattler]

49 minutes ago, Padre86 said:

there is such a thing as free will and independent thought.

Ah, but that's the point of this thread.  The Left's stranglehold on education is doing it's darnedest to kill that.  Today there are actual penalties for independent thought at many schools.

To survive the brainwashing, a young person must have been told the truth by their parents prior to hearing the propaganda.  That's why the Left would like nothing better than to eliminate parental rights from the beginning in this country.

 

[The_Field_Ager]

19 hours ago, Rattler said:

 That's why the Left would like nothing better than to eliminate parental rights from the beginning in this country.

 

This is also why high schoolers labor under ridiculous amounts of homework. It is disgusting how much work my nieces have to do. Kids are often given excessive amounts of homework to do during holidays also, this includes Summer and Christmas. The goal no doubt is to keep the indoctrination flowing while denying them quality family time. We often can not go on trips with them because of their dumbass homework requirements.

[diplomat019]

28 minutes ago, Papist said:

This is also why high schoolers labor under ridiculous amounts of homework. It is disgusting how much work my nieces have to do. Kids are often given excessive amounts of homework to do during holidays also, this includes Summer and Christmas. The goal no doubt is to keep the indoctrination flowing while denying them quality family time. We often can not go on trips with them because of their dumbass homework requirements.

Is this a public school?  If so, why would you subject your family members to the social marxism that is pumped thru the public school system?  

[Rattler]

1 hour ago, diplomat019 said:

Is this a public school?  If so, why would you subject your family members to the social marxism that is pumped thru the public school system?  

First off, they are not his children.  Second, it takes lots of money to avoid social marxism in America, and the Left has made sure that it will continue to be that way by protesting charter schools, vouchers and funding of private schools.  The average middle class family cannot afford to avoid the social marxists unless they home school.  BTW, the Left attacks that as vigorously as the other options.

Why do you suppose that is?

 

[diplomat019]

32 minutes ago, Rattler said:

First off, they are not his children.  Second, it takes lots of money to avoid social marxism in America, and the Left has made sure that it will continue to be that way by protesting charter schools, vouchers and funding of private schools.  The average middle class family cannot afford to avoid the social marxists unless they home school.  BTW, the Left attacks that as vigorously as the other options.

Why do you suppose that is?

 

Ratt.  I dont think pap needs another man answering for him.....   with that said, Im not disagreeing with you one bit. I was just asking why you would subject your family to the indoctrination of social marxism?  Imo papist had made it clear about his stance on the subject.  Im not even disagreeing with him.  And it seems like he is very informed about his stance.  I was curious as to why (if they are schoold publicly) he would let family members be subject to this.   Given the ramifications   

 

 

[Rattler]

I'm sure he doesn't need help, but I thought you needed an answer.  That was my answer to your question based on my own personal struggle with the US public education system.  Plus, there is no way anyone has any right to tell anyone else what to do with their own children.

Unless of course, you are the government.  

 

[diplomat019]

7 minutes ago, Rattler said:

I'm sure he doesn't need help, but I thought you needed an answer.  That was my answer to your question based on my own personal struggle with the US public education system.  Plus, there is no way anyone has any right to tell anyone else what to do with their own children.

Unless of course, you are the government.  

 

We agree on this.  

Im not the govt btw lol.  

[philoshop]

I believe Papist was referring to his nieces, in which case it's not an issue of parental control on his part. I may be wrong.

My niece went to attend the Women's March in DC today. She did it because her friends were going, and she'd never been in DC. She's 21 YO, very smart, voted for Trump,  and I've taught her how to shoot and to be aware of her surroundings. When she called me I told her to be careful, and to have fun. That's all I can do as an uncle.