Transgender Military Ban

[Buckmaster7600]

dude! That was exactly my point when I said "bodies". The more options you have the better. If the trannys are at the bottom, then they don't make the cut. I'm not advocating we take them to prove any point. No title 9 here. I'm advocating for accepting those who are solid soldiers or support troops who pass all the same qualifications as any other candidate. 

Back to the point on females, The marines have spent millions and millions of dollars and a ton of time and theater thousands of females to be infantry and there has been 3 females to make it through the basic infantry training.

Back to my original point, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.


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[Rattler]

The Dems were using the military as a petri dish for their social engineering experiments.  The results were not exceptional, or even on par, so they tried every form of political propaganda they could think of to explain the results away.  Accusations of racism, sexism, homophobia and Islamophobia were flung at anyone who had any common sense.  All in an attempt to keep the failed social engineering of the military going.

You have to sense there was a real desire to fundamentally transform our military into something it currently isn't.  I bet if we could prove what that something was, we could try them all for treason.

 

[Five Seasons]

listen, i'm a conservative republican. but an agenda to transform the military? idk man... I work for a defense contractor. Are our budgets better today than under Obama? Yes. But the ranting and raving of  a few extreme liberal rags dont really represent dem politicians. Just like breitbart only represents papsmear and not most republicans. 

Edited August 9, 2017 by Belo

[Rattler]

5 hours ago, Belo said:

listen, i'm a conservative republican. but an agenda to transform the military? idk man... I work for a defense contractor. Are our budgets better today than under Obama? Yes. But the ranting and raving of  a few extreme liberal rags dont really represent dem politicians. Just like breitbart only represents papsmear and not most republicans. 

I'm not talking about leftist media here.  I'm talking about things that were actually done to the military knowing full well they weren't improvements.  These things were done by Democrats in spite of huge GOP and public opposition.  Much like today's push for gun control comes from Dems.  All the hatred of police was pushed by the Dems as well.  This is the transformation of America Obama spoke of.  Too bad nobody demanded details when he spoke of it during his campaign.

[philoshop]

2 hours ago, Rattler said:

I'm not talking about leftist media here.  I'm talking about things that were actually done to the military knowing full well they weren't improvements.  These things were done by Democrats in spite of huge GOP and public opposition.  Much like today's push for gun control comes from Dems.  All the hatred of police was pushed by the Dems as well.  This is the transformation of America Obama spoke of.  Too bad nobody demanded details when he spoke of it during his campaign.

Our previous president accomplished some things that were horrendously bad for our country, and for it's future, and he did those things intentionally. I try to separate rhetoric, actions, intentions, and accomplishments when it comes to politicians. This 6 minute video speaks volumes about the intent, action and accomplishment of Barrack Obama when it comes to the U.S. military. This was not an 'unintended consequence':

https://www.billwhittle.com/firewall/sir-i-will-not-obey-order

[The_Field_Ager]

Mark Latham discusses the negative impacts of gender quotas in the Fire service, Military etc:

 

 

Edited August 9, 2017 by Papist

[Five Seasons]

16 hours ago, philoshop said:

Our previous president accomplished some things that were horrendously bad for our country, and for it's future, and he did those things intentionally. I

no disagreement there. But do you honestly believe he did them with intent to hurt the country, or do you think he thought he was doing what's best for the country and it either didn't work or you disagree with it? I'm no Obama fan, but what you're insinuating is the definition of treason. And that's a stretch. 

Edited August 10, 2017 by Belo

[Culvercreek hunt club]

2 hours ago, Belo said:

no disagreement there. But do you honestly believe he did them with intent to hurt the country, or do you think he thought he was doing what's best for the country and it either didn't work or you disagree with it? I'm no Obama fan, but what you're insinuating is the definition of treason. And that's a stretch. 

I believe he had and has a desire to fundamentally change the country.  Where I think it goes way beyond the mere difference in views and beliefs is that his go against the actual intent of the country's founding. That is why the SCOTUS nominations are so important under this administration. The make up of the court under Obama allowed his actions to basically go unchallenged and we need strict Constitutional justices to keep it from happening in the future. 

Edited August 10, 2017 by Culvercreek hunt club

[Five Seasons]

1 hour ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

I believe he had and has a desire to fundamentally change the country.  Where I think it goes way beyond the mere difference in views and beliefs is that his go against the actual intent of the country's founding. That is why the SCOTUS nominations are so important under this administration. The make up of the court under Obama allowed his actions to basically go unchallenged and we need strict Constitutional justices to keep it from happening in the future. 

I agree with all that. My only point is that if asked, he would certainly claim and honestly believe it IS for the good of the company even if you and I disagree. 

[Rattler]

10 minutes ago, Belo said:

I agree with all that. My only point is that if asked, he would certainly claim and honestly believe it IS for the good of the company even if you and I disagree. 

The trouble is, I believe what Leftists think is good for the country, is the complete opposite of what the founders envisioned for this country.  Leftists truly believe our founding principles are wrong and need to be trashed.  They do not support our Constitution as written (unless it benefits their beliefs), oppose limited government, oppose budget ceilings, oppose controlled spending, oppose limited taxes and oppose the individual right to free speech (if it's what they believe is "hate speech") and the individual right to keep and bear arms.  They believe in collectivism, not individual liberty and rights.  They oppose all forms of freedom of religion that impacts society in any way, and constantly work for wealth redistribution.  These are just a few of their beliefs that come to mind at the moment.

They truly believe all of this is good for the country.  But when all of their past programs, which they believed were good for the country, failed miserably, they refused to accept accountability and actually worked to keep the failures in place.  Obamacare is the most recent example.

The left is either playing with unknowns, without being able to extrapolate their affects on our future, or is intentionally violating the core ideology of the Constitution and our founding principles, which served the country very well for centuries.

Call me crazy, but I believe the latter to be the case.  The fact they think it's good for the country, proves they are not opposed to tyranny.

 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

28 minutes ago, Belo said:

I agree with all that. My only point is that if asked, he would certainly claim and honestly believe it IS for the good of the company even if you and I disagree. 

Oh he does believe it. IMO

[Culvercreek hunt club]

4 minutes ago, Rattler said:

The trouble is, I believe what Leftists think is good for the country, is the complete opposite of what the founders envisioned for this country.  Leftists truly believe our founding principles are wrong and need to be trashed.  They do not support our Constitution as written (unless it benefits their beliefs), oppose limited government, oppose budget ceilings, oppose controlled spending, oppose limited taxes and oppose the individual right to free speech (if it's what they believe is "hate speech") and the individual right to keep and bear arms.  They believe in collectivism, not individual liberty and rights.  They oppose all forms of freedom of religion that impacts society in any way, and constantly work for wealth redistribution.  These are just a few of their beliefs that come to mind at the moment.

They truly believe all of this is good for the country.  But when all of their past programs, which they believed were good for the country, failed miserably, they refused to accept accountability and actually worked to keep the failures in place.  Obamacare is the most recent example.

The left is either playing with unknowns, without being able to extrapolate their affects on our future, or is intentionally violating the core ideology of the Constitution and our founding principles, which served the country very well for centuries.

Call me crazy, but I believe the latter to be the case.  The fact they think it's good for the country, proves they are not opposed to tyranny.

 

AND they believe all of that would be better for the country. Belo is saying they are not doing it on purpose to destroy the country. They believe it is a better way. They ARE trying to destroy the current system. 

[Rattler]

4 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

AND they believe all of that would be better for the country. Belo is saying they are not doing it on purpose to destroy the country. They believe it is a better way. They ARE trying to destroy the current system. 

One cannot deny, their beliefs, in their minds, are better for the country.  The fact they cannot be sold to the public as being better, needing to be implemented by force, is proof they are not beyond the implementation of total control and tyranny, if it is needed for "the good of the country".

[Rattler]

The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding.

Louis D. Brandeis

[Culvercreek hunt club]

17 minutes ago, Rattler said:

One cannot deny, their beliefs, in their minds, are better for the country.  The fact they cannot be sold to the public as being better, needing to be implemented by force, is proof they are not beyond the implementation of total control and tyranny, if it is needed for "the good of the country".

That is just becasue "we" are not enlightened, are uneducated  and "they" know what is better for "us"

[Five Seasons]

33 minutes ago, Rattler said:

The trouble is, I believe what Leftists think is good for the country, is the complete opposite of what the founders envisioned for this country.  Leftists truly believe our founding principles are wrong and need to be trashed.  T

 

so we're in agreement with our political views. I just struggled with your phrasing that he was deliberately hurting the country. 

[Five Seasons]

26 minutes ago, Rattler said:

The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding.

Louis D. Brandeis

I'm probably more libertarian than anything else. The above quote is accurate. I also believe the right has succumbed to some extreme religious beliefs and have maybe gone a little too far to support parts of evil corporate america in order to get a vote

[philoshop]

4 hours ago, Belo said:

no disagreement there. But do you honestly believe he did them with intent to hurt the country, or do you think he thought he was doing what's best for the country and it either didn't work or you disagree with it? I'm no Obama fan, but what you're insinuating is the definition of treason. And that's a stretch. 

We're getting a little hung up in the weeds here.

Obama's basic vision for America was that it should be no better or worse than any other country on the planet, and that we should all be somehow equal, reality to the contrary. (No one in Somalia is going to invent the next generation of space ship.) Toward that end Obama worked directly to diminish the excellence and exceptionalism of the U.S. by putting in place legislation and regulations that would accomplish his vision of global parity and equality. I don't believe he hates the U.S. directly, he hates the fact that every other country on the planet is currently incapable of being or becoming the U.S., and that's what he worked to change. Fundamentally change, in his words.

I'm not insinuating treason in any way because it doesn't apply to Obama's actions at all. Treason is a crime that only applies during war, and there was never a formal declaration of  war by the U.S. against Globalism, Communism, or any of Obama's other beliefs as far as I know.

 

[The_Field_Ager]

2 hours ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

AND they believe all of that would be better for the country. Belo is saying they are not doing it on purpose to destroy the country. They believe it is a better way. They ARE trying to destroy the current system. 

If you read the founding fathers of Critical theory, Of which these actions are all offshoots and manifestations, you realize they are indeed trying to destroy civilization. They were also often criticized for having no real replacement plan. Destruction was their sole reason for propagating their ideals.This is not my opinion, this is what they themselves explicitly stated in their literature. all out there and available for the reading.

[The_Field_Ager]

Candidate to be first female Navy SEAL officer quits after a week: report

 

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/candidate-to-be-first-female-navy-seal-officer-quits-after-a-week-report/article/2631205

[TACC]

We're getting a little hung up in the weeds here.
Obama's basic vision for America was that it should be no better or worse than any other country on the planet, and that we should all be somehow equal, reality to the contrary. (No one in Somalia is going to invent the next generation of space ship.) Toward that end Obama worked directly to diminish the excellence and exceptionalism of the U.S. by putting in place legislation and regulations that would accomplish his vision of global parity and equality. I don't believe he hates the U.S. directly, he hates the fact that every other country on the planet is currently incapable of being or becoming the U.S., and that's what he worked to change. Fundamentally change, in his words.
I'm not insinuating treason in any way because it doesn't apply to Obama's actions at all. Treason is a crime that only applies during war, and there was never a formal declaration of  war by the U.S. against Globalism, Communism, or any of Obama's other beliefs as far as I know.
 

I partially agree with your idea about Obama. I believe there were 2 ways to bring about what he wanted. One way was to bring the standard of living and education of the 3rd world countries up to the level of the USA.
Or method 2 that he chose. Which was to bring the USA down to the 3rd world country economic levels and standard of living

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[philoshop]

35 minutes ago, TACC said:

I partially agree with your idea about Obama. I believe there were 2 ways to bring about what he wanted. One way was to bring the standard of living and education of the 3rd world countries up to the level of the USA.
Or method 2 that he chose. Which was to bring the USA down to the 3rd world country economic levels and standard of living

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Raising the standard of living in 3rd world countries is impossible without 1st world (U.S.) cash. When the cash leaves our country it hurts the U.S. It is what it is.

I get what you're saying on a fundamental level, but it's completely absurd to think that it's not always going to be about siphoning money from the U.S. economy to level the global playing field. It doesn't help anyone in the end except the global social justice crowd. We can give pencils to people who can't build their own pencils, but I'm not sure how that actually helps them.