Cayuga Heights deer herd burdens village, controversial culling method among the options

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Cayuga Heights deer herd burdens village, controversial culling method among the options10 April 2011, 6:33 amJohn Berry/The Post-StandardThe village's more than 200 deer are chewing on residents' shrubs, gardens and landscaping plants and getting "too comfortable" with humans. For more than 12 years, residents of Cayuga Heights have debated what to do with the village’s...Source: Outdoors Blog

[G-Man]

it always seems to come down to bait n shoot..at the taxpayers expense.. why not allow bow and set up a profeciency test and charge 50$ for a buck tag aftr you remove 2 doe, or remove 4 doe and buck tag is 10$ five doe buck tag free! i bet a lot of culling will happen and at no expense and maybe a slight profit!

[SteveB]

Several problems with bow hunting there. Most properties are too small and too close together to get the 500 ft setback for shooting. Recovery would be another huge issue - especially when done over an extended period during daylight hours. The fact is sometimes the only effective solution is not a pretty or popular one with anti's or hunters.

[Lawdwaz]

Bow & arrow is just not effective enough to get the numbers down fast.  They will need to get a bait and shoot going, then maybe they could work in a bow hunt to help maintain the population. 

I can't see the logic of a few guys running around with handguns whacking deer in the head, caught in a net?  Holy cow that sounds like a rodeo with guns!  What is a "bolt to the head" anyway?  That's a bit disturbing.

Around WNY, the police have done a terrific job at keeping the numbers down.  Bait, silencers,  the cover of darkness and a snowy ground make things go real well.  Expensive?  You better believe it. 

What's a loved ones life worth?

[Dave]

it always seems to come down to bait n shoot..at the taxpayers expense.. why not allow bow and set up a profeciency test and charge 50$ for a buck tag aftr you remove 2 doe, or remove 4 doe and buck tag is 10$ five doe buck tag free! i bet a lot of culling will happen and at no expense and maybe a slight profit!

G-Man notice they all of a sudden have no problem bating the deer to kill them. Why can't they be hunted ethically? If there are that many deer it should be no problem.

Dave

[Lawdwaz]

It's not about ethics.  It is a service that needs to be done to save lives, IMO.

[G-Man]

I think if the new bill passes to change the 500'rule for bow/crossbow, bows could be very effevtive especially if does are mandated to be shot before a buck would be allowed, can't tell you how many shots i pass on doe everyyear waiting for a good buck to come by. Most bowhunters i know do the same. I'd get my 5 doe in a hurry to have a chance at a 15pt or larger buck (according to article). jmo

[Dave]

It's not about ethics.  It is a service that needs to be done to save lives, IMO.

How many lives have been lost because of this problem?

Dave

[SteveB]

Size of properties and recovery problems rule out "ethical" hunting.

Too few places to meet the 500ft rule and too many small properties to be able to have permission to recover when the deer makes it off the <1 acre where you might get permission to hunt - even if the rule gets changed to 200ft.

NYS does not allow you to access under any condition to recover a hit animal if the landowner says no.  It would only be a matter of time before either the set back or the recovery laws are violated or become serious issues.

[Dave]

Size of properties and recovery problems rule out "ethical" hunting.

Too few places to meet the 500ft rule and too many small properties to be able to have permission to recover when the deer makes it off the <1 acre where you might get permission to hunt - even if the rule gets changed to 200ft.

NYS does not allow you to access under any condition to recover a hit animal if the landowner says no.

Where do all these deer come from? Is there state game lands around this area?

Dave

[SteveB]

No game lands and few areas of even moderate sized private land.

Most of them live in the area and have become almost tame.

Large suburban sprawl and 2 to 5 acre "farmettes".

[Dave]

No game lands and few areas of even moderate sized private land.

Most of them live in the area and have become almost tame.

Large suburban sprawl and 2 to 5 acre "farmettes".

Now I realize the problem, no easy solution.

Dave

[SteveB]

Add in the number of anti professor types from Cornell and Ithaca College living there and it is a mess.

[Lawdwaz]

It's not about ethics.  It is a service that needs to be done to save lives, IMO.

How many lives have been lost because of this problem?

Dave

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              Deer Effect State Farm Car Insurance  November 8th, 2010 | by Nathan Phillips |    The  cost of those seemingly cute, cuddly deer out in the streets is  actually more than you might imagine.  Not only do they eat plants and  crops, they can carry lyme disease and wreak havoc on your car  insurance.  Allan Sloan’s Fortune article on CNN Money  discusses the financial impact of what he calls “rats with hooves.”  That may be a bit harsh, but “The case against Bambi” has valid  financial points.

State Farm car insurance says that 1.14 million accidents between  deer and cars occurred in a one year time frame ending this June.  That  cost drivers and insurance companies close to $4 billion in damages.  And if you include the accidents where drivers didn’t have any car  insurance or comprehensive coverage, the cost of damages is even  higher.  In the past five years the number of deer related crashes has  increased by 21%, while the number of miles people are driving only  went up by 2%.  The likely cause of that statistic is that there are a  lot more deer out on the roads than there were five years ago.

The worst part is that deer are causing human fatalities in car  crashes.  It is estimated that 140 people were killed just last year  because of deer-vehicle accidents.  The top five states where accidents  occurred were Pennsylvania, Michigan, New York, Ohio, and Virginia.  The fewest accidents were in Rhode Island, Alaska, Nevada, the District  of Columbia, and Hawaii.  With fatalities and skyrocketing costs  associated with deer-vehicle collisions, the author ponders whether  eliminating some deer for the greater good of humans is the next step.

[Dave]

It's not about ethics.  It is a service that needs to be done to save lives, IMO.

How many lives have been lost because of this problem?

Dave

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                                      Deer Effect State Farm Car Insurance  November 8th, 2010 | by Nathan Phillips |                      The  cost of those seemingly cute, cuddly deer out in the streets is  actually more than you might imagine.  Not only do they eat plants and  crops, they can carry lyme disease and wreak havoc on your car  insurance.  Allan Sloan’s Fortune article on CNN Money  discusses the financial impact of what he calls “rats with hooves.”  That may be a bit harsh, but “The case against Bambi” has valid  financial points.

State Farm car insurance says that 1.14 million accidents between  deer and cars occurred in a one year time frame ending this June.  That  cost drivers and insurance companies close to $4 billion in damages.  And if you include the accidents where drivers didn’t have any car  insurance or comprehensive coverage, the cost of damages is even  higher.  In the past five years the number of deer related crashes has  increased by 21%, while the number of miles people are driving only  went up by 2%.  The likely cause of that statistic is that there are a  lot more deer out on the roads than there were five years ago.

The worst part is that deer are causing human fatalities in car  crashes.  It is estimated that 140 people were killed just last year  because of deer-vehicle accidents.  The top five states where accidents  occurred were Pennsylvania, Michigan, New York, Ohio, and Virginia.  The fewest accidents were in Rhode Island, Alaska, Nevada, the District  of Columbia, and Hawaii.  With fatalities and skyrocketing costs  associated with deer-vehicle collisions, the author ponders whether  eliminating some deer for the greater good of humans is the next step.

I do not disagree with the statistics. I was just wondering about  the area in question who many people were killed recently? Did something cause the call to cull the deer herd in this area besides them eating all their schrubs and flowers.

Dave