Dave Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Have any of you guys experienced this in your area. The last 3 bucks we have shot were nice 6 pointers but they had no brow tines. Recently checked my trail camera and found a nice 5 pt, you guessed it no brow tines. What can be causing this, bad genetics,? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KEVA Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I took a nice six point without brow tines last year. Curious to know if it is genetics or not. Most bucks I have photos of appear to have brow tines though so I am not too concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Have any of you guys experienced this in your area. The last 3 bucks we have shot were nice 6 pointers but they had no brow tines. Recently checked my trail camera and found a nice 5 pt, you guessed it no brow tines. What can be causing this, bad genetics,? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Genetics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Genetics How do we get rid of the bad genetics? So we produce deer with better racks that have brow tines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5.9cummins Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 (edited) How do we get rid of the bad genetics? So we produce deer with better racks that have brow tines. You cant. Its not a farm you cant control who breeds with who. Plus bucks are only half the equation the little ladies hold just as much responsibility as the guys your going to shoot. Plus you don't know for sure he wouldn't develop them the next year. Edited November 11, 2011 by 5.9cummins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deerthug Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 You need to cull the herd. Take out the one's without brow tines and let the ones with the brow tines grow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Move lol. The only way to change genetics in a deer herd is if its fenced in, and you use very strict management techniques, including importation of deer with different genetics. YThink of the big fenced in ranches in TX. In a wild herd, you will never be able to control it. BTW, the move comment was a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 You need to cull the herd. Take out the one's without brow tines and let the ones with the brow tines grow Wont work. You cannot make a dent in genetics of a wild herd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Move lol. The only way to change genetics in a deer herd is if its fenced in, and you use very strict management techniques, including importation of deer with different genetics. YThink of the big fenced in ranches in TX. In a wild herd, you will never be able to control it. BTW, the move comment was a joke. Buck, next year we have AR in my area and with these deer with no brow tines makes it harder to get deer with 3 pts on one side. But I did see a nice 8 pt on my trail cam in the summer hope he survived to breed many does. Will concentrate on the no tine bucks in my area to try to cull . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Yeah thats gotta make it tougher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deerthug Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Wont work. You cannot make a dent in genetics of a wild herd. You're probably right but I would take them out anyway just to make sure that they don't get a chance to breed again. It may take many years to do it, even if it's one by one you are still reducing the chance of them breeding again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Yeah thats gotta make it tougher. It's ok, it's just hunting. I have years that I never fired my rifle or drew my bow. But still enjoyed my time in the woods. That's part of the hunting experience being in nature and just relaxing . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deerthug Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 It's ok, it's just hunting. I have years that I never fired my rifle or drew my bow. But still enjoyed my time in the woods. That's part of the hunting experience being in nature and just relaxing . Some days I think that's even better than putting one down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYBuckHunter Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I agree. Even living out where I do Ive had many years eating tag soup. Its cool though, I just enjoy getting out there and enjoying nature. Meat in the freezer is icing on the cake and a nice rack is some ice cream to go along with it lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5.9cummins Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 You need to cull the herd. Take out the one's without brow tines and let the ones with the brow tines grow Culling is a myth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 I agree. Even living out where I do Ive had many years eating tag soup. Its cool though, I just enjoy getting out there and enjoying nature. Meat in the freezer is icing on the cake and a nice rack is some ice cream to go along with it lol. When ever I sit quietly and deer pass right by my stand and I know I can take them that is a fulfilling moment for me as if I took the shot. Because I know I could of but just didn't. Especially if there aren't a lot of deer around I have a tendency to let them pass. Hoping for more deer next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damore81 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 On the property I hunt most of the 1.5 yr olds have no brow tines. If they are lucky enough to make it to 2.5 then we start to see the brow tines. What I do feel is bad genetics is when I see the crab 3 pointers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Culling is a myth. We don't have many bucks running around our area so if we have the opportunity to shoot the one or two with no brow tines it could help. But it might be too late already they may be in rut doing their thing and nothing will be accomplished. Maybe culling won't work but it can't hurt to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agross Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I believe the same as damour its probably a age thing at this point. Give that buck another year and he will be nice. I had trail cam pics of 2 seperate 1 1/2 yr old bucks. one was a big four and the other a barely legal spike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deerthug Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 We don't have many bucks running around our area so if we have the opportunity to shoot the one or two with no brow tines it could help. But it might be too late already they may be in rut doing their thing and nothing will be accomplished. Maybe culling won't work but it can't hurt to try. I agree. I've seen maybe 1 or 2 bucks to 15 doe in my area. It won't hurt. Just think of it as extra meat in the freezer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 On the property I hunt most of the 1.5 yr olds have no brow tines. If they are lucky enough to make it to 2.5 then we start to see the brow tines. What I do feel is bad genetics is when I see the crab 3 pointers. The deer that I see the most with no brow tines are nice size 6ptrs . they should have some indication of a brow tine but they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 Yeah thats gotta make it tougher. Do you think that if we remove some spikes this year that would help with the genetics. As a rule we don't shoot spikes and small 4ptrs. Remember next year we have AR in my area. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad 6424 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 It is so hard to not shot the first one to come by as the economy sucks and the meat is needed to feed familys.I have hunted both ways over the years and the ones I have hunted for the wall has been a long deer meatless winters . A waste of money for tags that did not get filled so now I fill the frezzer then worry about the wall hangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culvercreek hunt club Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 I can't over state what WNY said earlier. You guys would be chasing your tails to try to do anything in a wild situation. It is impossible to determine what the contribution of the does in your area are. You could have monster bucks with 12" brows and the does genetics could toss it out the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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