Doc

First of all, I noticed that fisher2 specifically kept his remarks to the practice range shooting only. I love taking super long shots on targets. The additional challenge is what makes a practice session fun and interesting. Just watching that arrow traveling down range over 80 yards or so and hopefully sticking it in the target is a pretty great rush. As noted by most here, trying to take that target range success and applying it to hunting conditions would definitely be another story. I have often thought about deer jumping the string and how that problem would be accentuated by distance. But that is rather dramatic. How about a deer just suddenly deciding to walk? According to "The Deer of North America" by Leonard Lee Rue, a deer walks 3-1/2 to 4 MPH. So using that speed, if a guy was shooting some super fast bow, 400 fps for example, at 100 yards and the deer decided to start walking as the bowhunter shot, over 100 yards, the deer could move 46.2". Even at 50 yards he could move 23.1". That's not running, or bolting, or evading, that's just deciding to take a step or two. Never mind all the other points that have been made about buck fever, wind, a little form hick-up, and maybe some unforeseen twig over those long distances. Just consider a simple decision of the deer to start walking (which eventually he's definitely going to do at some point). The longer the distance shot, the worse the wound or if you're lucky a complete miss. I'm not sure why people refuse to acknowledge that a bow and arrow is a close range hunting implement. That used to be accepted as the reason for taking on the challenge of bowhunting. It doesn't matter what you can do on the range at measured distances and at a stationery target. That is all great for impressing your friends and perhaps collecting a tournament win or two. But it probably is not all that great an idea to try applying all that to hunting situations.

Normally I would not post this kind of unpleasant picture, but I need and opinion. Last week I posted a thread about a fawn laying in our yard, seemingly healthy and content, and we continued down the driveway on our way to town. Later we returned and the fawn was gone ...... no surprise. But yesterday, I found the remains of this dead fawn, less than 30 yards from where this fawn was laying. The amount of time between these two events was exactly 1 week. I know that none of us is likely to be any sort of forensic experts, but does the remains in the pictures look like a fawn that could have died 1 week ago. To me it looks older than just one week and likely is not the same fawn, but I certainly am not very sure of that. So what do you all think. Has that dead fawn been dead for a week or does it look a lot older than that? Just looking for opinions.

Judging from some of the anemic-looking, pasty-faced vegans that I have seen, maybe they should be taking a lesson from that cat.

So I hop in the car and start down the driveway on my way into town, there in the middle of the lawn is fawn laying there looking around just like it was hiding from the world. No where's near any bushes or any cover at all ...... completely out in the open, and barely paying any attention to me at all. So I just pulled way over to the far side of the driveway and drove slowly past, and he didn't even twitch. When I got home, he was gone. My guess is that when I came out of the house, the doe probably left the lawn, and the fawn instinctively knew to lay down and be still. Nobody ever explained to him that part of that defense is to be hidden ..... lol. Anyway all's well that ends well, and hopefully this isn't a sign of the little deer's intelligence, or lack thereof.

It sounds like all the Gander Mountain stores may be screwed up. I finally stopped going to the Henrietta store because the shelves were empty of anything that I went up there to get. And it's not a short trip either. Now I drive even a bit farther in the opposite direction and go to the Auburn Bass Pro Shop. I may not always like the price I have to pay, but they are stocked significantly better than Gander Mountain, and I usually find the products that I need.

It's interesting to see the sites that some of these crazies frequent.....lol. There certainly is no shortage of wacky fiction available online. I really liked the picture part way down the page of the girl whose body formed directly from her neck into a pair of feet. Yeah there is a good place for credible info .... ha-ha

Yup I have those little helpers too, and they are definitely more destructive. Those stinky guys must also be able to hear grubs crawling around underground. I can't even imagine having hearing that good. The crows are pretty neat about the way they harvest the grubs. I can't even see where that beak went in to get them.

Apparently there are some changes that occur when the fawning season arrives that causes quite a bit of deer activity. If I had to guess, I would say that last years fawns are ditched so that the doe can find a good place to give birth. That may be leaving all these deer out on their own for the first time in their lives. That could be what gets them into trouble with cars. At any rate, every year, I notice the same thing you do. I really wonder sometimes if autos don't thin the population more than hunters do. There are times when it seems that the dummies aren't able to safely cross roads any better than possums.

I have a grub problem in my front lawn. But lately, I have had a couple of buddies out there helping with that problem. At least I think that's what they are doing. There is a flock of about 5 crows that daily show up out there and wander around the grass. All of a sudden one will stop and drive his beak into the dirt and come up with what looks like a lawn grub. I don't know how they do it. I see them walking along and then stop, kind of tip their head to one side like they are listening for something and then stuff their beak into the dirt. That sure looks like one great feat of hearing. They must be hearing those grubs munching on the lawn roots. I didn't know they did that. They're welcome around anytime they want to visit.

Thank you ..... That was exactly the point that I was stumbling around, trying to make in a not-so-clear fashion.

Interestingly enough, I just finished reading a newspaper article that claims that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service reported a 3% increase from 2006 to 2011, in some form of wildlife recreation according to the last 5-year survey. So according to them, wildlife recreation is making a significant comeback. Not really on-topic, but interesting in terms of outdoor store expectations. Perhaps there is something about that corner of NYS that is making them lag the trend.

That could be. I've been around for a long time and have never had it explained to me. In fact it was just a few years ago that I found out that it is not required in the Northern Zone. From the standpoint of practicality, I have got to say that if someone doesn't want you to see their backtag, it really is not all that easy to read unless they are posing for you. I really have never heard of any impacts of backtags other than as something to ticket hunters for. So if they are supposed to be some form of protection for farmers, I doubt very much that they are working....lol.

Just guessing, but maybe they are like some fish that only grow as large as their habitat allows.

I basically question the purpose of the back tag. How often does the back tag actually play into the arrest and conviction of any game law violators? And if it is indeed a significant help in law enforcement, what is it about the Northern Zone that negates that usefulness. It really doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it? Maybe we should start a movement to get rid of the thing entirely. It's not a huge earth-shattering issue, but back tags really do seem to be more of a pain-in-the-neck gimmick to cause tickets rather than something that serves a useful purpose.

I have always said that we don't really own the land. We simply rent it from the government. The taxes are the rent, and the government is the landlord. Don't believe it, just try to make changes to the property without all the proper permits (permissions) and see how quick the landlord (government) sets you straight. And if you don't pay the rent (taxes), they will indeed evict you. I never look down on renters anymore. It could be that they are the ones that have got it right. And yes the law is generally on the side of the perpetrators. It's been that way for a long time, and not just regarding property owner's rights either.

So what's the worst thing if you move up there and hate it? You can always move back or somewhere else .... right? We live in a very mobile world these days. I think it's pretty nice that they are giving you a four day visit. Of course they will be showcasing the absolute best weather that the state has to offer. I notice you can almost wave to the Russians from there .... lol. At least its not way up in the middle of the tundra. The climate should be less extreme there I would imagine.

That's great for you guys, but now we need one in Western NY.

That is the thing I can find no documentation on. As a U.S. rep, there is nothing that I can find that talks about her involvement in a state law ... specifically the Safe Act. So, I am not sure that the NRA has any basis for changing her rating. I think that everything in the public record shows her to still be pro-gun.

I don't think the NRA is advocating voting for the Cuomo/Hochul ticket....lol. I don't know about anyone else, but my vote is aimed for or against the top end of the ticket since that is the power end of either team. But, I believe the OP was regarding the NRA's past acknowledgement of Hochul's record and attitude toward gun ownership. If that attitude changes, then I'm sure the NRA will change as well. Anyone have any evidence that her attitude has changed?

I did see that episode, but never caught that little switcheroo...lol. I was probably multi-tasking again. Watching TV and reading the paper at the same time. However, I am not surprised. I have caught them in other staged activity. Actually anytime they are trying to indicate that they are stranded somewhere, I always have to wonder why they don't use the transportation of the camera crew that are obviously there....lol. But, I kindly look past some of the artistic liberties that they take with their story and acknowledge that most of what they are trying to portray is perfectly likely to happen at some point in their lives or the lives of someone else in that area. It is good not to take these programs too literally. They really are artistic representations.

Yeah, you're right. Trespass is a crime of arrogance, and I have little patience with the kinds of attitudes that would make a person think they have the right to cross a posted line. But, the liability aspect is also something that a landowner has to keep a lid on, just for their own protection.

You guys are getting real close to it being a done deal ...... congratulations to Livingston County.

I already stated my opinion of your McVeigh/Nichols rhetoric, and there is nothing here that changes any of it.

I have eaten turtle meat, and found that I obviously know nothing about cooking it. We decided that it probably would be tough, so thought the best way to go about it would be to grind it up into burger. If you took a handful of thick rubber-bands and chopped them up, you would have the consistency of our turtle burgers. Obviously that wasn't the right approach. One thing that I heard works good is to make turtle soup. I don't know, I did my thing and I guess I have had enough of experimenting with eating turtles .... lol. One thing that people should be aware of is just how long that neck is, and how far away they can reach, and how fast they can reach out and touch someone. They do deserve a healthy respect, because if they get ahold of you, they can do some ugly damage.

The only tactics I use is calling things the way I see them. I have listened to the two of you bad-mouthing my country to the point of absolute disgust. At some point someone has to say that enough is enough. And that is the point where I am at right now. The constant whining and carping with absolutely no direction toward solution is the position of cowards and is truly getting stale and repetitious along with your rude denigration of the entire forum membership at every opportunity. As far as demonizing your character, You guys do a fine job of that all by yourselves. Your McVeigh/Nichols rhetoric demonstrates your character quite clearly.