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Do not get me wrong, I am not saying that we should be sending emails and letters and phone calls telling him not to pull off his bribery attempt. I am simply saying that we don't have to kiss his ring for him to do it. I have heard all kinds of suggestions here that we should be thanking him and his cohorts for their graciousness. I say, the hell with that! As far as trying to convince other signers of the SAFE ACT to back Cuomo's crossbow proposal, fear not ..... all his minions will march in lock step with or without your letters. In fact the less they hear from you the more desperate they will become to cancel out your resentment for the SAFE ACT. And now a word about competing voter issues. I believe that the NYS legislators really stepped in it this time. Almost any other piece of gun control legislation would never galvanize the gun owners as much as this so-called SAFE ACT has. Here even a year later we have huge demonstrations from gun owners still taking place. Frankly, I have never seen anything like it. Hidden in this travesty, is a huge opportunity if only we have the intelligence and spine to take advantage of it. We have an opportunity to equate gun control with certain political death. We may have the one historical event and issue that will pull adequate numbers of gun owners together as a solid block of dedicated voters. We may be able to send that message, and send it so loudly that the effects will be felt for decades..... literally decades! It's all been dropped in our lap if we can develop and organize it all and pull off an historic upset. Remember the message: "A vote for gun control is a huge block of votes that you will not get". We want that to become a political fact that will be accepted for years. That message will never be sent if gun owners begin to waver on that resolve and begin splitting votes throughout a myriad of other issues. A historic opportunity, a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, will have been lost. The continued attacks on gun owner's rights will be emboldened and accelerated because it will prove that politicians can slap our faces without any cost. And by the way, if we can pull off this upset, politicians will be put on notice that the voter is king in other areas of governance as well. It all goes well beyond just gun issues. It puts the fear of God back into politicians and would re-establish a level of enforced respect for the independence of voters.

We also have a sticky thread on this forum that gets into the details and surrounding info regarding the SAFE ACT: http://huntingny.com/forums/topic/14386-the-new-ny-gun-law-sticky-ny-safe-act-faq-petitions-lawsuits-info-links/

I'm one.

As far as I am concerned, the SAFE ACT is the ONLY issue this year. This is exactly what this little bone that Cuomo is throwing us is intended to do. It is an attempt to dilute the solidarity that this issue now enjoys. It is a piece offering to soften the focused opposition that the SAFE ACT has drawn. It remains to be seen whether this veiled attempt works on us or not. This is not a time for pacifism, little thank-you notes and cozying up to the known enemies of the 2nd Amendment. Yes I hear all the talk about making nice-nice to these people that a mere one year ago slapped our faces and have been so-far rubbing our noses in it in the courts, and then hoping that we can somehow re-kindle the focus of opposition to these very same people. Those people do not need our gratitude for anything. Their motives are clear and far from honorable, and they will undoubtedly continue on that course with or without our bowing and groveling thanks. They believe that they are putting something over on us (and maybe they are). If you really think you have something to be thankful for, just understand what the real price for this is. I'll guarantee you that Cuomo and his partners have already fixed that price. I am hoping that the bitter resentment that most gun owners feel against these politicians will result in enough passion to create new voters that have never voted before in their lives. I am looking for enough resentment of that midnight raid on our rights to make gun owners put aside prior commitments to be sure to get to the polls to vote those gun-grabbers out. I don't want any of that to be watered down with gratitude for anything that Cuomo does between now and that next election.

I really like these demonstrations of solidarity. They also are activities that keep the back-lash to the SAFE ACT in the spotlight and in everyone's mind. Of course the real act of solidarity that will count will be the next election and a universal response of an election that punishes those who voted for this slap in the face that all gun owners took a year ago. We need that vote to go our way to send a clear message to all politicians that support of anti-Second Amendment becomes a serious threat to their careers. We need to get behind our shooting sports advocacy organizations to assist them in carrying out their efforts to get out the vote and to see to it that every gun owner understands what's at stake. It's very obvious what happens if we fail. These signers of the SAFE ACT have to have an attitude adjustment, and it has to be one that other politicians can plainly see.

Here is some more important info For those who are not sure who their state legislators are, here are the links to where you can find out: http://www.nysenate.gov/ http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/?sh=search

This coming election is one of the easiest ones on record when it comes to voting against those who have demonstrated a disdain for the 2nd Amendment. One year ago, we had the SAFE ACT passed where each of the candidates put their position on the record. One single vote told us all we have to know in terms of who are friends of gun owners. We have a thread called "Lest We Forget" on one of the gun legislation forums here that shows that voting record http://huntingny.com/forums/topic/17272-lest-we-forget/ . This could be called the "Lazy-man's election" for gun owners, because the hearts and minds of legislators regarding the 2nd Amendment is written down in black and white for us. It's going to be real easy this time around.

Well, I saw one up on the state land, and wondered why the guy would leave it there with all the theft and such that goes on over there. He left it up all through gun season. I still think he was goofy risking something that expensive, but now hearing what the weight of those things are, I can see why he didn't haul it in and out......lol. Sounds like this treestand hunting has turned into some major work. I thought the climbers and portables were a pain but hauling 80 to 100 pounds up that hill, would certainly be out of the question. Of course, I have come down out of the trees for a few decades now so my interest is more curiosity than any intention to ever use one.

Just out of curiosity, what does a 20' ladder stand weigh? And, do those things really break down into a small enough package so that you can get them through heavy brush? When you take those things in to set up, that's pretty much all you can carry at one time right? I mean, can you take the stand, a back-pack and your bow all at the same time?

Here in Ontario County, we do keep getting these periods of thawing where all or nearly all of the snow goes away. I think the year has been harder on people than it has on the wildlife here. Yes, I have been plowing way more often than in recent years. But in the larger picture of several decades, there have been plenty of real ugly years that make this one look like a real example of global warming....lol.

So far, the coverage on TV that I have seen has been super-positive, and maybe even with a supportive tone to it. I was surprised.

I was wondering about that. Does PA require ID to purchase ammo?

Josh Turner is a favorite of the modern generation of country singers. But I still like the older people of country and bluegrass. But probably my all-time favorite album is by The Trio, first version, with Dolly Parton, Emmylou Harris and Linda Ronstadt. I also have every album that the Everly Brothers ever made. probably the best technical singers and song writers of my time. Frankly there is some classical instrumental stuff that I like listening to when in the right mood, And I have some Dave Brubeck and Al Hirt albums. Mannheim Steamroller is another that I have a large collection of. I also have a very huge collection of late 50's and early 60's music (music of my teens). About the only thing that I absolutely can't stand is something that really isn't music at all ..... that would be Rap or as I call it, "chanting". And I never did warm up to acid rock, in fact that is what drove me away from rock and into country music. Can't handle that squealing, ear splitting, guitar noise.

Just got home from watching Lone Survivor and I would recommend it. It was a pretty intense movie once it got moving.

Hell, even that (middle-o-the-road) would be a huge improvement over the socialist pinkos that keep getting thrown our way.

How can he fight this? There will always be guilt by association in the minds of many no matter what is proven.

That is kind of depressing. Only two dealers in Long Island and one in Rochester throughout the whole state that are willing to transfer mail order ammo. And one of those in Long Island is into looking to make some good money with a $70 fee per transaction. I understand why it is so difficult to come up with these arrangements. It could very well be ammo sales lost by these NYS dealers.

Looks like it could be any of a dozen different animals that have spent too much time eating up those rotten apples under the trees. Could even belong to the guy in that boot that's in the picture.

All I hear is rumors of "big chains" dropping the sale of ammo because of the time and red-tape.

Well, this thread has certainly inspired me. Next year I have to try for 9 deer in 4 seconds. Is there anyway I can get 9 tags in NYS? Well, maybe I'll have to go out of state. I'll bet some of those guys in those speed shooting competitions could do it. They could probably get some lead somewhere in them. This could lead to a whole new sport ..... Speed shooting deer. Whack 'em and stack 'em boys! The winner is the one who gets lead in the most deer in the least time. Great fun ....eh?

I don't think New Yorkers would recognize a Conservative Republican if they saw one. My gosh ..... Pataki was labeled a Conservative Republican. Can you imagine that? It's crazy, anyone in NY that doesn't believe in give-away programs and cradle-to-grave welfare and income re-distribution is labeled a Conservative and the term is spit out like a curse-word here.

It is depressing to think of all the Republicans in NYS, trump is the best they can come up with. It just tells you that there is really something terribly wrong with the candidate selection process. There might also be something terribly wrong with the job also that makes any serious potential candidates run like hell from any consideration for nomination.

The man is a complete Bozo, but if he were the only candidate running against Cuomo, I would definitely vote for him. Let's see, who would I not vote for if they came up against Cuomo? Well maybe Putin, or somebody with Ayatollah in front of his name ...... maybe. No matter who the opposition is, Cuomo has to go!

But Cuomo and his merry band of gun-grabbers have succeeded in shutting down the mail order and internet purchases of ammo, and have gotten some of the major chains thinking that they should get out of the ammo business, which was most likely the original purpose. Ha-ha .... Nobody ever accused Cuomo and his cohorts of being stupid. Maybe a bit on the evil side, but still, very clever.

I believe that simply voting to replace all of the legislators would be a mistake. We did have supporters in that vote. Make the vote count. Strategically target specifically those that voted for the SAFE ACT as the ones who need to go. Don't send a message that regardless of how you voted on this act, there was no right answer. Straighten their minds out on gun issues. Make them understand that there is a correct way for them to think and vote on these kinds of bills.