Doc

But the question was phrased specifically a bit more personal and individual than a discussion of what has historically been made illegal or heavily regulated. I was asking each member where they draw the line. I have heard some that would argue that even the heavy restrictions on full auto weapons should be dropped. Fans of bump stocks might be prone to argue this. There are those who think that any weapon that the military has should be available to citizens as a hedge against tyranny. We had a member a few years back that was a big fan of militias that made that argument very passionately. At the other end of the curve, there are those that would outlaw all privately owned weapons completely. And there are others that are pop up everywhere along that curve with every philosophy represented. The question posed by the original post was not what choices have been already made for you, but where each member personally would draw their own line. I'm not sure I am being clear, but it was not meant to result in a recitation of past regulation of weapons laws. Simply looking for an opinion of where people come down on the weapons regulation subject and why.

Yes, we are beginning to see the origin of youth being turned loose to serve as a tool of the left. Get used to it. The libs are on to something here. They have created an army of robots willing to do their bidding and the gun issues are only the beginning.

I can't help you out there. I know the Safe Act came up with a handful of feature identifications, and a lot of them had nothing to do with actual function. And when you get outside of legal interpretations and into individual definitions, the descriptions become more and more arbitrary, and emotional and random. I am now hearing some of these protesters calling for banning the mythical "assault rifles" AND all semi-automatic rifles. So apparently they have finally realized that functionally there is no real difference between what they call assault rifles and any of your run-of-the-mill standard hunting semi-autos. So the term apparently can be pushed and pulled and reformed to fit any gun that anyone might feel threatened by. It is useful to them not to tie down their definitions too tightly.

But the point is: lines are drawn and as technology evolves, new lines must be considered and perhaps drawn. My question is, and the point of this thread is, what are your specific criteria for drawing those lines?

You seem to suffer from a lack of curiosity and a desire to remain ignorant to life and practices that go on around you. Sometimes it is useful to ask a few questions about the beliefs of others. You just might actually learn something useful.

I guess it's time to try to answer my own question. I asked the question not fully realizing just how difficult it really is to answer. But I'll try to have a go at it. Yes, I do believe that lines have to be drawn somewhere. I don't want to see people messing around with tanks and bazookas and grenade launchers, personal package-nukes, etc. But in terms of firearms, my line is drawn at full auto weapons and above based on some sort of destruction rating scale that currently only exists in my mind. By the way that includes bump stocks. It is a judgment call and does become a bit arbitrary but in my mind there is a level of destructive power that I no longer feel comfortable turning loose on the general society without some very extensive heavy-duty regulations. And no it is not a judgment based on cosmetics as many people are trying to use on the so-called assault rifles. I think some sort of scale should be established that intelligently and logically rates the destructive power of anything that is classified as a "weapon". Perhaps that would put some logic into a subject that is now ruled by emotion. It would make such judgments a bit more logical because I think all sane people agree that there has to be a line drawn somewhere. We just seem to be having troubles determining where that line needs to be.

Would that include bazookas and full auto rifles and mortars and such? No limits at all?

I thought I understood a bit about deer bedding areas until I looked out the window this morning and saw a deer curled up in the middle of the front lawn a dozen yards or so from our front door ..... lol...right in broad daylight. They are like a whole different species at this time of year. What a difference from the animal I was hunting last Fall. Do they really have that short an attention span that they have totally forgotten what was going on just a few short months ago.

Just a wild guess, but I would assume that these would have the same shortcomings that the Browning Serpentine heads ( https://www.google.com/search?q=serpentine+broadhead&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=uJKt_15z6wOhHM%3A%2CKLKYx5fzMx4VmM%2C_&usg=__P_nrXjlBTG6d121tY7RlwX3s508%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiEyMSt2YbaAhUMvlMKHUZRBh0Q9QEIKTAA#imgrc=uJKt_15z6wOhHM )had 30 or 40 years ago. Upon entry a big plug of meat fills the head and turns it into a "blunt" with severe loss in penetration.

Remember, the original question was: "Should all weaponry be totally free from regulation? Where do you draw the line (if you do)?".

Should all weaponry be totally free from regulation? Where do you draw the line (if you do)?

Do deer get a bit wacky this time of year? I plowed a wide strip across the lawn from the barn to the driveway, and it forms a small food plot of exposed lawn grass in the middle of my yard that is attracting six deer. The sixth deer, a rather small runt was trying to join the other 5 in the feast and was being driven off by one ill-tempered deer in the bunch. Every time it started to get close this bully would take off with head lowered in what looked like some kind of combat posture that sent the little guy fleeing. That happened about 3 times while I was watching. I'm not sure what would have happened if they actually came in contact. I'm assuming the bully was a big old doe because she had a fawn staying close with her. The last time she ran the other one off, she stood there and raised her head with her nose pointed straight up to the sky as if trying to catch a scent or something. It was a very menacing-looking gesture, and I have no idea what it meant in deer body language. I really didn't understand what any of the aggressive behavior was all about, but it did not have a playful look to it. Then there was another thing that I saw a bunch of years ago over by Honeoye at almost exactly this same time of year and almost the same kind of lingering winter weather conditions where it looked like two deer were having a fist fight. They both were standing on their hind legs, standing straight up, punching at each other with their front feet, and it looked like they were making contact. What gets into these critters when winter hangs on like this? Is it some form of cabin fever or something?

It is probably better for a few of us to remain to fight the good fight rather than all turning tail and handing over all the pinko states to the commies.

Ha-ha-ha.....The grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence, doesn't it? Well, you can run, but you can't hide. The Feds are getting cranked up again with their national attack on the 2nd Amendment, so it may not be just state encroachment that you have to worry about. So, unless you are getting set to flee the country, relief will likely only be temporary.

So seriously....What exactly is the motivation behind the vegan fad? Is it morality of some sort? They don't like to take a life for their sustenance? Or is it a health concern...They think they are going to cheat death if the don't eat animal protein? I don't get it. I do know that we are not going to get out of here alive. I'm not even sure that it has been proven that vegans live any longer, or even as long as meat-eaters. Frankly, I believe we have one shot at this thing called "life", and I love my prime rib just a little too much to deny myself that luxury. I don't know enough vegans to ask them why they choose to go meatless, so I am asking the general membership here to educate me on why this is their chosen feeding habit. I tend to suspect that it boils down to some kind of liberal political statement meant to convince anyone who will listen to them that there is some display of superiority or higher mental evolutionary development that they are displaying with that choice. And like all libs, there isn't an ounce of reality or truth in anything they have to say.....lol.

Yesterday I was out wallowing around in the snow measuring and driving stakes in the ground, laying out the garden. There's a pretty severe case of cabin fever setting in that is bordering on insanity.

I suspect that as a percentage of each kind of vehicle running around out there that one accident with the automated vehicle is probably quite significant. These start-up failures are going to be quite traumatic for somebody. I just hope I am never on the receiving end of either style of vehicular accident......lol.

He and his kind would rather hang out a public open invitation that says "There are no guns here, so come on in and help yourself to the carnage"

I have no problem with strengthening the background checks for gun purchases, but how about funding the activity such that extra waiting times is not necessary. No one ever looks at making government agencies work smoother, smarter, faster and more efficiently. Instead their first thought is to increase the harassment value on gun owners. That makes the effort fit in with the other harassments that gun owners already endure. And let's face it, harassment is exactly the purposes of most of the gun legislation and not serious efforts at thwarting crime. They cannot eliminate all guns through legal, constitutional means so their recourse is frustrate gun purchases.

Sounds like the new system that has taken the place of the Citizen Task Forces that used to be sometimes used to gauge public opinion on required deer populations. Apparently that didn't work out so great so they are tweaking it a tiny bit to get input from all the anti-deer forces and the hunters to justify permit numbers and other population-cutting activities. Well, maybe that isn't really all that fair until we see results from this new procedure. Hopefully it won't turn out to be just a lot of venting from residents that have just sustained a few thousand dollars worth of damage to their prize shrubs....lol.

The bullheads are always biting best a week before someone tells you they are running. How many times have I heard people say, "man, you should have been here late last week". Around us it is a pretty small window of time. It's a lot like the smelt runs.....by the time you hear of it, it's over. Bait, we used to kill them down in West River and swamp (north of Naples) using big pollywogs. I have also heard a lot about chicken livers. And of course there is the old standby of night crawlers. I think the pollywogs worked well in swampy areas because of the natural populations that they are used to feeding on. They are harder than heck to keep on the hook when you cast them so cast very gently.

I finished up my trapline and chores just before boarding the school bus. I was always walking around the school hallways with a big old hunting knife on my belt. Try doing that today.....lol. Nobody thought anything about it back then.

This idiot never saw a camera that he wouldn't pose for. What a ridiculous looking weirdo.

On three different occasions, I have come across guys in full camo including face-paint. And this was on some very heavily pressured state land. I have to say that it is very un-nerving to all of a sudden find somebody that is only a few yards away when you first see them. I always have to wonder what the heck is going through a guy's mind when he knowingly does something stupid like this. I have to think if he is so uncaring about his own safety, he must have absolutely no concern for mine.

Yeah that's the bottom line. We all set our limits at a different place. I just don't feel comfortable blazing away at a running deer. Obviously a lot of people do. Those 5-shot volleys that I hear occasionally says that there are people who hunt like they are on a cleared and back-stopped rifle range .....ha-ha-ha. I do get a kick out of those who claim to know exactly everything that is behind the deer that they are shooting at. Unless they are hunting in a cleared gravel pit, that likely is not really the case. It makes a nice little phrase during hunter safety training class, but if we want to be honest, we are really only sure of what we can see and what is visible at any specific split second. But like you say, do what you are comfortable with.