Four Seasons

You see he has this habit of sucking down everything he is fed. Just like his CWD education tells him that the whitetail world is going to end with zombie deer when in fact he can’t believe his own eyes not seeing any real deaths from the farce disease in his lifetime. Makes sense!!

Belo you want to see a little more of the real deer killing disease?

Research. High fence has been growing for years and years. I can’t make enough even to feed Ny’s demand hence the expansion under way moving to 300 head. If you are any kind of a deer Hunter be it high or low fence your part of the whitetail hunting industry and very few if any wake up at 4am without the thought and drive for most to kill the biggest buck in the woods. Your venison taco could be had at any time if the day on any number of the dumbest deer in the woods. There would be no drive. Can you imagine sitting in a tree day after day. Oh there is a nice flathead. Oh there is another nice flat head. Walk out of the woods empty handed because you did not want to burn your tag just to hear the alarm go off at 4am to go out and maybe see the same flatheads again? Yup that would drive an industry.

I hope your not talking/thinking high fence when I say industry? That is only part of the equation that just further strengthens my facts. The whitetail hunting industry across the country is driven by big bone. Period. You show me where I’m wrong. Show me all these high dollar products sold because I venison. Your totally freaking crazy if you think Whitetail hunting of today would even be a speck in antlered bucks of any kind disappeared or were takin off the table. Whitetail hunting would not even be spoke of. It would go by the way of pheasant and rabbit hunting. No bone and the game would be all but over. Hell a guy would sit in the woods two days fill his tags and go home. Done period over. No need for food plots, deer scents or anything else. It would be all but wiped off the map.

Yup that’s a great thing. As you woke that morning with the hope of the biggest rack buck of the woods to walk in front of you! You either killed that big antlered buck you were wishing for or you settled for less. Either way you were still getting the meat. But don’t try and pass on that your drive that morning was to fill your buck tag with one of those baby bucks walking your woods.

My mind deal with the real world. And in the deer hunting industry if you take antlers out of the equation you would not have a bleep on the map. Simple as that. Hunters want,desire, strive for and pay unlimited amounts of money in one way or another to line themselves up with the biggest buck in their woods. Period. Most just settle for less.

Yeah those same numbers represent those that hunt for just the ‘Meat’. Make sense. You can bet your lunch that many and many of those smiling hunters with big bucks shot smaller bucks their 2nd buck and never dropped the tailgate for a pic.

Exactly. And they sure the F$&( are not showing the pics of the little 4-6 pointer that’s hanging in their shed.

Lol. Yup the DEC can fill you with all they want. And in their next breath you can read. Oh hunters are letting more baby bucks walk because the want a bigger more mature deer. I bet your going to say they let them bucks walk because they are going to go from a buck twenty to a buck fifty in pounds.

Dismissive? I think not. Motivation and industry push is no doubt antlers and if you can’t see that then your blind. You better be careful pushing that CWD stuff. You know they tell you not to eat positive deer rand your hunting just for meat. We have had CWD in this state so who knows. Your line of thinking goes right along with the Goose Hunters. Ya know I offer 1000 acres of the top goose hunting arguably in this county and a few years back I had hunters and guides… oh so many guides pounding down my door to hunt this property. Ya know now there are days of 1000’s of geese and nobody to shoot them. You think that might have to do with only the taking of 1-3 birds a day? I mean they still get some ‘Meat’ and they still get the outdoor ‘ Experience ‘. Yet no hunters. Because in their case it’s not worth it to them to crawl out of bed for that 1 bird and that 1 meat and that 1 experience. Yet those same hunters this month chase them local birds every day of September because they can blast 18 of them. You take antlers out of deer hunting and you will have nothing of a hunting industry and then you will get buried by the anti’s while you get your meat at the grocery store. Period.

Yup. I bet your right. Take antlers totally out of the equation and whitetail hunting would be the billions of dollar industry it is today. We would still have all these products to go along with that meat cooking and still have leases of 400 acres going for 8 grand. And still have hunters buying land for double and triple it’s value because it’s an area that’s over ran with flatheads and they have their lifetime of meat taken care off. Yup. I’m Sure.

Yeah because we all know. Every Hunter spends 1000’s of $$$ to get decked out with the best products the industry offers to go out and kill a 6 month old fawn. You would think a guy hunting for just “Meat’ would be able to wear his jeans and single shot shotgun. I mean really. How hard is it really to kill the dumbest animals in the woods? After all. They carry that same meat your looking for right? And their out there by the 1000’s. What’s the issue?

No you will now exit this chat…Again, because like every other time you have nothing. Start showing me pics of nice back straps on packs of broad heads or maybe a website like Antlers has showing all the great baby basket 4’s and 6’s killed this year in Ny state. And the long list goes on.

Those Bags? You mean just about every product that has anything to do with hunting the Whitetails deer? I could give two shits what you do or why you hunt. But again just as you or anyone else can’t show the real life fact that CWD is a big bad killer… Because it’s not. You can’t show real life facts that meat pushed the hunting industry but I can in fact show you just how almost everything in the hunting industry is pushed by big antlers. Again fact that you can’t prove wrong. And yes. Even the worst of hunters can kill the dumbest animal of any species in the woods. If that’s what trips your trigger then have at it.

You can say anything you like. But until you can prove me wrong it does not hold much water. When you start seeing meat from the whitetail deer push the industry you let me know. Until then just like every morning hunters wake up with the hope of killing the biggest antlered buck in his woods the industry will continue to use big antlered Whitetails to push the industry. Prove me wrong.

It would be him or nothing this year. To go along with a full or 3/4 mount.

Oh we all still get the meat but 99.9% of hunters drive is the bone on top of that meat. Hell if that was the case why wouldn’t they put pics of does and spikes on the hunting products? Why would there be record books? Why would there be a billion dollar industry on Tv. Do you see hunters showing pics of nice does and 4 pointers from Trail cams. The list is long. Any Hunter can get meat even if they are terrible hunters for the most part. Hell look at Wolc. The guy makes a living killing babies for meat and when after years of hunting he gets somewhat of a nice buck we have to see pictures of it for 9 months on numerous threads. The Bone.

I don’t think they really ever will. There is a vaccine being used behind fence that seems to be helping save some. You see that would be to easy to figure out and they would not be able to suck billions from the government on research. If you look a cwd prions they are the same a Scrapies in sheep and the sheep industry found out that it’s genetic and blood work was done and they bred Scrapies out of the herds. That’s exactly what’s going on behind fence and I few short years you will se no cwd coming from any high fence operations and the wild herd will no longer be able to pass it into the fenced herd. So high fence will have not only a bigger and better product to offer but also a healthier animal.

Lol. Just a fact my friend. When they start putting tenderloins on the products we can say it’s all about the meat.

You tried to spread more bullshit is all you did. You are no better then they are. Some say the earth is flat. Does that shit hold water also? You call a disease that’s been around for 60 freaking years and you can’t throw up one documented fact of that disease doing any harm to any extent like I can with a real deer killing disease in EHD that you don’t see the white coats begging for money to research? Why do you think that is? You know exactly why that is. Cwd is still the political fares it’s always been and whenever guys like you get called out on it all you can give is words from some studies that have been going on for years and still can’t show any merit behind it. They take a syringe and shoot the cwd prion in a mouse’s brain and then say it’s possible for a mouse to contract Cwd. Well no freakin shit. Now show me in real life of a mouse naturally contracting CWD in real world setting and they can’t. Just as you can’t show the disease killing off any herds. But I can in fact show you real life facts of herds growing even though the herds are in fact CWD positive. Who’s facts hold more water. My real life facts or your/their what if’s. We all know that answer

Well first of all nobody should give two shits what my business is when it’s 100% legit with demand high and getting higher every year. So Jealous would be the only legit reason to have an issue. Second the Cwd hoax did very little to hurt the industry as a whole and in fact made my business double and now triple in size seeing though Ny closed the border for deer coming in….So Ny people have to buy from inside the state but we can sell to all but a couple states in the country. Hence a win-win for us For your CWD hoax if your so sure of all these deaths and destruction…. Show It!! Why would you have to believe research that has spent billions and have said the same thing for 60 years. I can show your real life 100% fact tested EHD killed Whitetails. Yearly. Now you are a smart man you say. You are versed to the ways of the world. You open your eyes every day for your last 40 years or however old you are. You have lived in numerous states, You should have all the real life facts showing the destruction caused by CWD if it’s the bad boy your brain washed to think/believe it is. If you can’t show the death and destruction then all you are doing is believing the words of the white coats that make their living sucking the free money year after year and the funny part is you believe them and even they can’t show you any major death and destruction to any herds or man in the last 60 years. Show me all this destruction you believe in.

None takin. The fact still remains that my animals on the inside are the same exact animal in the outside minus the bloodlines and the care. Mineral licks will help with a Whitetails body condition and it takes that condition to help get full blood flow to their antlers. Body condition has to be there before any whitetail will make any kind of rack. Regardless of bloodlines or genetics. Just more of Ny’s lack of knowledge when caring for our wildlife. Kinda like not having an open season on all the vermin out there killing the fawns and raiding Turkey nests to the point of numbers dropping in many places.

You have brought up my business numerous times in this thread alone. The only enemies I have about my business are the jealous ones that wish they could do and make what I do. Period. Any research would show you what I have been telling people for years. High fence will be a big part of the future of hunting. It continues to grow yearly with demand such that we are in the process of a 100 grand upgrade that will put us up to 300 head with over 100 breeding aged does with over 100 bucks a year being sold. They can like it or not but that’s 100% fact. Again. And again. You show me all the death and carnage from CWD that I can show you on the real deer killer in EHD on a yearly basis across the state and you will have my attention.

I want you to show me the dead deer that died from CWD. I can show you the dead deer from EHD. I don’t want more write ups of what if’s or could be’s by the same people that keep sucking the government for research money to keep researching the same things. I want you to tell me how the state of Wisconsin killed off all their zombie deer because a big bad disease yet the state herds rebounded to record numbers of animals in a couple short years. I want you to tell me how a positive Elk herd at Wind Cave became so over populated with animals that they cut the fence and used helicopters to scare the elk out into the wild herd……. Yes a disease that you say is so bad yet they willingly ran those Elk out into the wild herd to be killed by hunters and put in their freezers…You tell me that that’s a killer disease and that they think it could be givin to man? I will read anything you put up that shows the 100% truths and real life facts of CWD killing numbers of animals.

The bigger the rack on the bag the more it will sell. And some still think that the bone does not push the hunting industry. Amazing.