Culvercreek hunt club

I am....anyone have a crossbow I can borrow...LOL

you might want to make a review of history. It has happened before throughout the world and the past. I bet those folks didn't believe it would happen either. The thing that keeps it from happening here is the Constitution and the efforts to marginalize it further only supports the abilility to let it happen. I know we are never going to change your mind on this, Virgil, but I just ask you to consider what benefit would come form registering them. What benefit could it serve? I am not looking for a response...just asking you to reflect on it.

The police and DA should be kicked out for just charging her....from the report I read. That will teach her....she could have saved the taxpayers od UT a lot of money if she had a gun rather than a knife...could have been a matching pair

you must have grown up down state....up here we were all playing tackle football in the back yard in Grammar school...no pads...no helmets....come to think of it....mught be a big factor in some of my views...lol

I have been thinking of the private sale and gun registration topic alot. I think that any private sale should require what I have done in the personal sales I have been involved in...with no regulation requiring it. I have purchased and sold guns and done the same think. written bill of sale with make model and serial number on it. I als make sure I see photo ID and make the person andd myself sign. Just makes good sense. If I am buying a gun I want to have the information if it ever turns out the gun I am buying ends up being hot....or the one I am selling is used in a crime. Same could be done using the Naton ID and no formal registration is required. Fine individuals that have guns that pass through their hands without having checked the ID and recorded the information. Just a thought.

I ahd never heard that the Saturday opener change was for the kids. I did hear it was to increase harvest rate by gettigng more folks in the field on the opener. A lot more guys have Saturday off than Mondays. I have kind of mixed feeling on youth hunting days because I am not sure it gives them a realistic view of what hunting is all about (25% of my feeling). On the other hand I think, (even with the reduced age) the more controlled environment and any increased chance to get the kids hooked on the sport is worth any negative perception that this stirs up the woods. (75% of my feelings) For you guys that are aginst the Youth and ML early season.....Have any of you guys taken part in the NZ rifle season?

But it is valid logic to admit that the crime has gone up even with the gun laws. So the conclusion that they have not achieved their effect is also valid, in any logical analysis. Steve did hit it on the head that anything done HAS to be on a national level. But in order for me to support any legislation it would have to focus on the cause and implement the appropriate measures focused at the criminals and not the general citizens. I can whole heartedly support a verification system that is not so costly that the general public can afford it, is conducted in a timely manner and is objective not at the whim of an agency or a liberal judge. Gun ownership is a right. Responsible gun ownership is a responsibilitywe must exercise to assure that right. I know we have beat the constitutionality of gun ownership to death here, but one side note. I find it odd that thte same folks in the national spot light that say the constitution should be "evaluated" in a current light are the same ones that are inflexible with some of the other constitutional guarantess.......sure burn the flag.....it is freedom of speech and so forth.

I guess you guys are right. let's all contact DEC and Albany and tell them that we do not want them to start the bow season on October 1st because we have no intention of sharing the woods with any youth gun hunters or any of those dangerous hillbillie ML hunters.....Let's band together and get this done!! We will show them once and for all...

Simple.....execution,enforcement and prosicution.....or better yet.....lack of

Same here. I just wish all the politics , BS and symptom treating could be laid aside. We can put a man on the moon I have to believe there are enough smart folks in this country to take a look and formulate a program that address what is really the problem

How are you planning on displaying it? We are wall mounting my fathers

very nice.....I just had one done that my father got 2 seasons ago...mind if I ask what it ran you?

Mabe it is just me, but when I hunt the late archery or ML it seems like the deer settle back down very quickly. They get closer agin.....back feeding in fields before dark. If what you guys are saying about the impact I would think the guys up north would have a very hard time getting a buck with ML happening just before the regular gun season. Yes rifle shot farther than bows so you don't need to be as close....but if they have gone nocturnal or moved out of the area it doesn't matter how far they shoot.

I can agree with you on that post. I am not against a regulation because it is a regulation....I am against BS ones that do nothing to solve the problem and just hamper the ones of us that do it the right way. I would love to see a national card (kind of a national background check) and a national pistol permit. You want to buy one of my guns Steve....show me your valid card and we are good to go. I am not too keen on the Govt keeping a listing of all the guns I have though so that would hae to be worked out. We all saw where that information got us with the FOIL of the New Your Pistol Permit Holder list.

Just a note....the early ML they are proposing is for Doe only as presented

Virgil, The premise is still the same it doesn't matter the drug we are discussing. Pick any of the highly abused and illegally sold prescription drugs. We are talkign about a legal item being used for an illegal purpose and and coming down and restricting the legal uses rather than the problem......the illegal users

No...It seems pretty silly to limit or take away the option of a patient to utilize morphine in a legal way becuse there is illegal use of the drug

So if they had the youth hunt on 8th thrught the 10th and muzzleloader on the 11th throught the 14th and left the opener on the 15th as it basically is now...you are good with that? I am blown away that they are proposing adding 2 weeks to bow and I am hearing bitching. They aren't taking anything away from what we have now and still not good enough ...huh?

Steve ad Virgil, I need someone to explain to me, because I obviously am very dense, how any of these laws are keeping the guns out of the hands of the criminals. Micro stamping-----how? 9 month wait on a pistol permit-----How? High capacity clips-----How? I can agree with back ground checks as I have said before and I can see how that would work towards the goal we are talking about but not the majority of the other laws. If you think we have way too many guns in this country, why not just shut the manufacturers down or take teh route they did with the tabacco companies and tax them out of the average mans ability to afford them. Do you honestly think even thse measures would remove the guns from the criminals hands? I don't ...they would for you and me though. As far as the death penality goes....it has never been done right. It isn't swift enough and the prisons are no deterrant either. Make the cells a box and not perks. food goes in and a drain in the middle. They want to act like animals....they can be housed like animals

A++ G-man

effective......effective....effective at doing what is the question. Do you see it reducing gun violence? I can't imagine it doing that at all. Control measures you speak of......any ideas on those. I can't see the value of these types of controls in reducing the illegal guns in the hands of the criminals. They only impact law abiding folks. Is the revolver any less deadly or harder to use that the semi's are singled out? When you say solution to the "problem" I assume you mean gun violence. the problem is nad never has been the guns. It is the criminals using them. Unfortunately the types that want more of these gun laws are the same ones that want to hold hands and think their good thoughts will rehabilitate these criminals. The solultion to this "problem" is thougher laws....and I mean tougher...ones that are a true deterrant...like death

Business as usual then

If all these concerns are valid I would think we wouldn't have any hunters left in the NZ. And before I get the comment on the vast expanses of the NZ, there are many area that are just like alot of what we hunt down south. They start hunting with Rifles and ML for deer in Mid October....leaves on the trees and all....even earlier for Bear but the numbers of hunters are far less than for deer. Other states hunt with guns in the same time frame and even earlier in some of the southern states.

That's a ridiculous argument. Plenty of guys will take advantage. and just because you are not out there doesn't mean other bow hunters are not. and just because you are not out there does not mean it won't screw the hunting up. So the added 15 days to you (or eight depending on if you hunt when the youth/ML) isn't worth it. You would rather have it like it is?