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Thats too bad. As one of the most expensive beers you can buy, you shold give it a try. You shouldn't judge.

It has to be something instilled in people as a kid (as in, having your parents put that fear in you). You can't be born with a fear of anything really. I like snakes. I catch them in my yard when I find them and let me 2 boys (7 and 4 years old) hold them. I have done this since they were little, little and now they catch them on their own. All in education and how you react when your kids are watching.

You must be a Bud Light drinker. My apologies to you (more so that you like Bud Light).

"Legislative" meaning Legislators, a group of useless people who rely on input of others. In this case, the NYS DEC officials! Legilators don't enact anything under their own research or information, but rely on others to feed them bills to be passed. IF the DEC wanted to push through tougher penalties, they could have done so. There is NO voice in our DEC that is for our wildlife or against the criminals who are taking it away from us.

I think, although you were probably kidding, there is some science behind that. I would assume the lower the income, the cheaper the beer people drink (positively correlated). I would then assume the cheaper the beer, the lower the standards of that person (positively correlated).

Just FYI, in the thread regarding the ridiculous "doe only" regs coming down the pipe (which I dont' want this thread to turn into), I quoted a DEC official who told me that there are 4 or 5 other action items that were shot down that the public didn't even know about. One of them had to do with penelties for poaching. Does that say enought about our state? and our DEC? When they cosider the ILLEGAL shooting of an animal not serious enought to pass an better reg?? Lets put it this way folks, NY being a liberal state, they allow illegal aliens to stay here, commit crimes and live a happy criminal life. You REALLy think they are going to pass illegal hunting laws when they can't even pass illegal citizen laws? sad!

What you see in a report is less than 10% of what is truly discussed. I have physically spoken with someone inside the circle who shared with me 5 other plans that were rejected WAY more erradic than this one. This was the "conservative" plan amongst them. And, it is not a proposal. It IS going into effect. I don't disagree that what was discussed was an early anterless only muzzy hunt in past reports that you have read. My concern, stating a pattern, is they are basically using a trojan horse to disguise an end game here. The DEC's ONLY concern is revenue, which comes from gun hunters. There will always be a bias towards bow hunters since they are in the minority. The agenda is simply to get gun hunters early season opportunities. It will start with anterless, and when the "magical doe population issue" is gone, they will leave the season and open it up for all deer. Yes, a prediction, but don't put it past our state. There focus is on license sales and the orange brigade.

Think about these things for a second: -IF the doe population is out of whack, then why, several years ago, did they start charging to obtain a doe permit? And, to this day, why are they limited in the number of doe permits you can obtain? I know in both my units I hunt, which are listed on the reg changes to doe only, unless you buy your license first thing when they are issued, you can't get a doe permit. -IF the doe population is out of whack magically this year then why 2 years ago when they changed bow season from 10/15 to 10/1, why didn't they at that point just leave the regular opener at 10/15 and enact a doe only season from 10/1 to 10/15? -IF the doe population is out of whack SO much so that they have to institue an emergency policy to change the regulations just a few months before the season starts, WHY early season with bow hunters? Bow hunters represent a mere couple percent of all deer harvests (let alone the fraction of a percent of those harvests that actually occur the first 2 weeks). As I mentioned in my original post, imagine the impact of the Saturday gun opener as a Doe only harvest followed by the remainder of the season available for bucks. Most "weekend warriors" who are just filling their freezers will shoot anything, so there is no doubt they would shoot a doe on Saturday morning. -IF the doe population is so out of whack, when they crammed a youth only gun season in the middle of bow season, why not make that doe only? Hey, if you are trying to get youngsters into hunting, why do they have to shoot a buck? Your first deer should be special regardless! -AND, if this is really about controlling buck-to-doe ratios, in typical BS politcal fashion, why have a proposal for September muzzy hunt statewide on the coat tails of this "emergency plan." All these doe were not magically born in January to create this sudden spike of "an alarming amount of excess deer." This is a pattern that has been a result of mismanagement for a decade (see points above). This is our typical "reaction" system based not in fact or science, but in politics. As mentioned in my original email, our DEC, unlike other states with large hunting populations, doesn't employ biologists and habitat specialist, no, we have politians making political decisions. You ask what the plan is? It is a non-plan, plan. It is a bunch of liberals with a half a brain in a room reacting to all the bad decisions they have made in mismanaging our deer herds for decades, now creating more reactionary ill-advised decisions that will surely lead to even more in the future to correct these poor ones. If I thought like a liberal (besides blowing my brains out), I could answer your question directly. Since I am a rational thinking grounded in facts and science, I have NO clue what their idiotic plan is, but surely there is enough of a pattern over the past couple years to realize this is the tip of their iceberg agenda.

They aren't doing it to make hunting better. And, its not an IF they do it, by good authority from DEC people involved in these decisions, this is a done deal. Everyone here keeps using that "IF" part hoping its not true, or just another DEC hairbrained idea. This one is put to bed, and as I mentioned, the lack of public forum and the enactment of their emergency powers, is a deadgiveway even beyond the information I received form a reliable source. The truly scary part of this is for hunters, is my last point, and that is the early muzzy season coming down the pipe. I will quote a friend and say that this change is simply a trojan horse for future changes (just like the moving of the 10/15 to 10/1 bow season was for this change). They have a plan in mind that was started a couple years ago (and has NOTHING to do with doe population) and are misleading the public to believe it is something other than it is.

3 things (which probably have crossed your mind, but I don't see mentioned here): 1) These new regulations are aimed at bringing the Doe population down correct? And, from what I read, they are enacting their "emergency" protocol to get this pushed through immediately without public opinion (which in most cases is required). If it is such an "emergency" that doe populations are so high, and these need to be enacted for 2015, WHY would they chose early season bow hunters? Bow hunters are such a negligable part of the hunting crowd and deer harvest compared to gun hunters it is pathetic. IF it is such an issue, why not make opening weekend of gun Doe only (or earn a buck, which has been mentioned). Doesn't anyone find that odd (and I say that sarcastically). The answer is obvious, it is about appeasing the orange brigage and about revenue. Period. These regulations have nothing to do with doe harvest (or, as I mentioned, they wouldn't target bow hunters and early season only). Imagine how many doe would be shot if the Saturday opener was Doe only, and in order to get a buck tag for the remainder of the season, you had to harvest a doe on Saturday? The population would be regulated in 1-day, gauranteed (I am not proposing this is a good idea, but simply making a comparison to what they are going to do, verse what is practical. proving a point that they only care about orange and green). 2) The heavy Doe areas (has been mentioned previously) fall in urban areas. The DEC folks, who are glorofied liberal politians and nothing close to actual biologist have public opinion in their best interst, not the actual deer population or the hunters (and when I say public opinion, i am referring to the non-hunting crowd). These "deer numbers" and the increased over browsing of landscaping, car accidents, property damage etc, is driving a good chunk of this. Changing the regulations where I hunt? It won't make a difference. Allow controlled bow hunting (Doe only) in urban communities and you would surely significantly decrease all numbers (and a win win for hunters looking for food and communities looking for less deer). A good example: The town I live in is on the border of non-hunting on 2 sides. The hunting area is well controlled by hunters and i see very few dead deer from cars. The non-hunting areas are litered with them. Change the regs for the entire town and the deer population will remain EXACTLY the same. Change it to control where the deer are NOT being harvested and it is a win win. 3) And the big secret that wasn't published is they are looking at putting the muzzleloader season in September state wide. If that happens, this state's hunting will be destroyed in less than 5 years. In September, when deer have never been hunted before, you can't send out a gun brigade into the fields where they are still daytime feeding in bachelor groups. They will be slaughtered. Moral of this, you live in NYS, which is run by anti-gun, anti-hunting liberals who need revenue driven agendas to feed NYC and don't give a darn about anything else. People just need to accept where we live. This will never change.

I seem to quote Utah a lot only because I have family there and get to hunt Mule Deer. Not that they don't have some stupid laws like NY, but when it comes to poaching they are spot on. Poaching is a FELONY charge first off, which will deter more people than you think. In NYS, you get a ticket and lose your gun, pay a small fine....big deal....they probably will hunt again anyway, without a license (if they even had one to begin with). Secondly, the charge is correlated directly to the size of the animal shot. So, if you poach what they deem a trophy animal, you are talking up to $50,000 fine, 10 years in jail and again, a felony on your record. They don't mess around. They also have a tip line WITH a reward system for helping nab poachers, which is very effective. You know the expression "S%$T or get off the pot".....well, there you go. Either say poaching is a serious offense and pony up laws to back up your words, or just eliminate the need for a license and a season and let idiots shoot anythign anytime. There is no inbetween.

Exactly. So Muck Does NOT make a quality boot. They don't even make 1/2 sizes let alone different foot widths! 11 too small, 12 too big...too bad!

After I am confident they are off their roost and out of the area I am sitting, if I don't hear any birds, i go commando on them. What I mean, is for as sharp as eyesight they have, they are equally as dumb. Don't be affraid to get up and walk, go find them, and actually scare them to the point they all seperate. If you sit back down and are very, very quiet for about 10-15 minute then start some light calling, I have been very succesful in bringing birds back in again. They want to flock back up. And, if that Tom lost his girl in the commotion, you can bet he will respond. Sometimes people get too strategic and careful with Turkey. They are not deer! They do not have a memory like a deer. They will come back to a call as long as you give it a bit of time and the entire flock didn't stay together and head off together.

You took the words right out of my mouth....lol. I try on a lot of things when there is a hot girl helping out.

Thanks for all the comments. I totally understand that they fit different than a lace up boot. I went into it with that mind set. However, these fit so loose and crappy, given the amount of miles I put on a pair of boots in a given day, my feet would be one giant blister. There is no way they are desiged to fit that poorly. I tried on a pair of LaCrosse while I was returning my Muck's to Cabelas in the same size and they fit perfectly. Exactly how I imagined the Muck's would. What I don't like is that stupid, ugly foam "shin gaurd" they put on the front of the boot. It looks like a moon boot out of 1985. I have also heard nothing but bad reviews about LaCrosse rubber boots which made me shy away from them to begin with.

As mentioned, I had no choice but to order them. I went to every hunting retailer within 30 miles of my house and people either don't carry them, or they were completely picked over (sizes 9 or 15 an nothing else). I took a shot at ordering a pair knowing I could just return them back to Cabelas that is only 25 minutes from my house if needed. Our new Cabelas store BTW (in Cheektowaga) has an ATROCIOUS selection of rubber boots.

True That! I used to be a HUGE Rocky boot fan until they started making them in China (or, if they have alwasy been made there, stopped carring about HOW they were made in China). My last 2 pair of Rocky's were total piles of garbage, fell apart and leaked like a siv. Last pair I ever have and ever will own.

So, I bit the bullet and ordered a pair of Muck Boots from Cabela's. They fit like crap!! If a single store in WNY actually had them in stock, I wouldn't have had to order them online to begin with. It took Cabelas 3 weeks to ship them to our local store for me to pick up. I tried Dicks, Gander Mountain, Johnsons Country Store and Cabelas and struck out everywhere. It seems that everyone rants and raves about these boots, yet they are the worst fitting boot I have ever tried on. I wear a 12 in every sneaker, shoe and boot I own. I ordered a 12 and they are huge on my feet. And not just the foot part (even with 2 pair of socks on), but the tops that are supposed to be "compression fit" I can slide my fist between the boot and my leg. What gives? I returned them to Cabelas and they had a size 11 Muck boot in a different version, but good enough to try on for size purposes. My toes are crammed up in the front of the boot and they are still huge around the calf. I can only guess that all you people that rave about your boots have short stumpy legs with odd sized feet! Any other suggestions? The new LaCrosse boots are ugly has heck with that foam padding on the front......

I hope they throw simultaneous punches that land at the exact same time and both of them fall to the canvass unconscience together. Its disgusting that 2 guys standing in a square with gloves on are going to generate $100,000,000. Last I heard, tickets for the event were going for about $350,000 each. This is what is wrong with this country. People put a higher value on entertainment and garbage than they do families, food, work, etc.

My oldest is turning 7 this June and I can't wait to get him out shooting in the coming years. I was about 7 or 8 when my father first took me out. I still have my Chimpmunk .22 from when i was a kid sitting waiting for him when I feel he is competitent to shoot safely!

My buck was 150" gross typcial (146 4/8" net) officially scored. Shot with my bow. His, I scored at 131" +/- my novice scoring, shot with a .270.

I just hope I age as well as him! He has always looked and acted way younger than his age. He is one of the most active 76 year olds you will ever meet.

We received our mounts back today! First time we were able to get a picture of the 2 of us together since I shot mine the second day of Bow (left) and he shot his second day of gun (right). This is what hunting is all about, sharing the outdoors with your family! I have hunted with my father my entire life (almost 40 years). He is 76 years old now and the first decent whitetail he has ever shot. The smile on his face is absolutely pricesless!

GREAT JOB reporting that! As I said in my post, if EVERYONE took the time and effort to stop tresspassing, poaching, etc, we would have a much safer and more enjoyable outdoors. Things are getting out of hand now days with all the people in the woods....and more so the amount of untrained people who were not brought up in a hunting family. Sit in a class, given the freedom to hunt........scares the crap out of me quite frankly. Take back the woods!