New York Hillbilly

nyantler..............you have to get them butchered even if you can't eat the horns.......it's to tough to hang the whole thing on the living room wall and after a while they start to stink.

I think I would have brought a chair and remained there at the processors until he was caped out and put in nice white packages. I don't think I could take my eyes off him until then! LOL!

It's a nice way to get yourself killed. Doe or buck does not matter one bit when it comes to their resolve to get away at all costs. Add fear (both deer and hunter......admit it or not) and being injured to the situation it and it is a recipe for disaster in my opinion. If it requires an additional shot to dispatch the animal quickly and as humanely as possible and allows you to return safely home to your family then deliver the shot. The last thing we need to have is yet another hunter found dead in the woods leaving a family and loved ones behind. Safety..........always first! Just my 2 cents. Now back to my stand for the last of the day.

Hey...wooly ..........what are you doing in my back yard? LOL! I just came in from one of my spots and it looks just like that.

Sweet...............good shooting!

Nice big doe...congrats.

No deer sighted all day yesterday and none from sun up till noon today. Phew.......I agree to danged warm for them to move.

My condolences to the family.

Good idea to let it go now but it sure was an interesting topic and how people come down on this issue. And who was on what side of the fence (pun intended) so to speak. Now I'm headed for my stand for a warm afternoon hunt or more likely ....nap. LOL! Safe hunting all!

I agree it is a tough one to get worked up over people hunting land neither you or they own, and it might be a good bet that the way to have everyone kicked out is to drag the land owner into the middle of a dispute like this but I don't agree with the "what's yours is mine because it's ok with me if you consider mine your's". To each his own I guess! I lived next to a guy twenty years ago who took a man he worked with and the mans young son, deer hunting. It was opening day and a pile of guys all crammed into a small swamp that was known to be infested with deer, but was also so full of stands that you could sit in one and see others in their stands only yards away from you. A deer ran between this mess and in the firestorm the man's young son was shot and killed. I will not relay the graphic detail of how the event was described to me and my wife but that almost put an end to my hunting days. My wife swore I could never take my son hunting with me if I did not buy or own property and post it tight. So in 1991 I bought my property and have done just as she said and although it has cost me a fortune in taxes and upkeep I have many great memories of hunting with my son, family and friends that I have invited over the years. I even set chairs out in certain places and have taken the old timers (some in their 80's) out to help make it easier for them to get that "just one last deer". It has been my great joy to share with others the excitement of hunting, but it has been my choice to do so. I stay off my neighbors land no matter how good the deer hunting is on their side. On the rare occasion when we had to recover a deer (twice since 1991) that crossed over, I asked first, left no mess and got out as quick as we could. I hunt and insist others do as well on my land far enough in to lessen the odds of a wounded deer crossing my line. They on the other hand have continued to hunt so close to my line that it is an almost annual occurrence with them, but to their credit they do come to the house an ask and I always say yes. It gets old though! Hunting on the property line and shooting into others land is the same as hunting on the land and to my mind it is wrong. It's like watching cows in a field of green grass stick their necks through the fence to eat the grass on the other side. Grass is always greener.......huh! Where does it end? Should I be able to just come jump in your truck and drive off, come sit in you house and make something to eat and settle into your couch to watch TV? I limit my hunting party to 4 guys at any one time on my almost 180 acres. So when my neighbors want to invite three times as many people, on their half as much woodland, is it my responsibility to absorb the overflow? What's yours is yours and what is mine is mine. If I offer to share what I have that is my choice. I don't want others to assume they have some right to just help themselves. I don't much care if others don't get it but they better respect it.

Holy smoke that's only about 8 miles from my house. Hope they find the old timer and he is ok.

Another thing that drives me nuts! I have the same problem with a couple guys that hunt on neighbors property and put stands only yards from our line and face directly onto my property. What the hell are people thinking or aren't they? When you point directly at the other persons land and are within yards, whose land are you really hunting? Something I would never do or allow on my land. It's a matter of safety first and respect a close second in my opinion. Should not be done. No deer is worth getting killed over.

Hey 132 eight pointer, on that note, a funny story. Probably could use a laugh by now. A buddy of mine owns a pretty substantial chunk of land not far down the road from me. He came to the house one day and told me how he ran into a guy trespassing on his land that morning when he was deer hunting. He said when the guy saw him coming he started to make fast tracks through the woods to escape. My buddy yelled out "hey wait a minute, I own this land and I'm not mad, I just want to ask you something." He said the guy turned around and started walking back his way. When they met up my buddy smiled and introduced himself, asked the guy his name and where he was from, then told him "they're nice woods, huh?". The guy replied "yes". He then asked the guy if he liked hunting on his land. The guy said "yes", and that he had been doing it "for years". My buddy then told him that he owns several hundred acres and he mostly hunts by himself and sometimes a few family members. And, that he had just had a good idea, that he would let the trespasser hunt the land as if it were his own if he agreed to split the tax bill each year when it came due. The guy jumped at the offer and said, "sure how much is that", to which my buddy honestly told him what the bill would be. My buddy said the guys face turned all kinds of distorted and he said "no f-ing way". My buddy then told him, "Oh I get it you just want to hunt my land for free while I have to pay all that money myself for the same privilege. Well I wish I could have that kind of deal somewhere to, but I can't. So, seeing you don't want to take me up on the offer, I am telling you to leave now, and if you ever come back and I catch you, I will have you arrested. Got it!" My buddy said the guy said "OK" turned and left. We both cracked up about it over a cup of coffee but the sad truth is that the guy was no different than a lot of people out there.

This computer thing can be tricky from time to time and the actual message gets lost and/or wires get crossed. The point I was making was that the people who pull stuff like this are A-holes, note I was being nice and saying "knuckleheads"before, but that really does not do them justice. Nothing gives anyone the right to destroy another persons property and if and when caught they should not get off lightly. Some jail time and be made to pay back out of their own pockets would be a fitting start. A good old fashioned ass kicking by the guys trucks they damaged would be even better, but in this (again wimpy) world we live in, not likely to be allowed to happen without causing more harm to those already wronged. The reason I say "locals" and "theirs" about the land is that has been my experience with my own land. It is funny how everyone is quick to point fingers at the "guys from the city", the "outsiders" or the "downstaters". There is good and bad in all groups, but some out there become extremely territorial with land they do NOT OWN but figure have some claim over because "we live here". I have had this battle over the years with my own property although not as much as when I first bought it 21 years ago. I had people come right up to me and tell me the had been "hunting here all my life" and "you ain't gonna stop me just because you bought it". Well they were wrong! And I did for the most part but with some hell fought battles and the police and DEC involved at times. I even had a guy intentionally rain shot down over my 80 year old uncles head during turkey season with the threat made "next time I won't miss", flattened truck tires, and one moron who tossed my uncle off my land at gun point, and when I confronted him without first introducing myself the jerk told me had had been given exclusive "rights to the property by" and named me by name. You should have seen the look on his face when I told him he was a liar and that he did not even know the owner as "I AM THE OWNER" and threw him the hell out. An interesting side note to this guy was years later he came to my house and apologized for his behaviors. He had joined the military and said the incident continued to bother him and he wanted to make things right. I accepted and shook his hand and never heard of him again. I guess that is why my thinking was more likely somebody close by, with knowledge of the area, an imaginary bone to pick with people the don't even know, a sense of ownership over something they have no right to, and likely a close by place to quick go hide. But, like I said this is just my guess to a real "who done it" and I am sure I am a better hunter than detective. And looking at me inside with the flu now and an empty meat pole I'm starting to question the hunter part as well. LOL! Sorry if you miss interpreted my previous post and I'm even sorrier that you and the other hunters fell prey to such jerks. Hope the rest of your season is better. NYH

I have a 7J and looking to swap for a 7M.

Don't sound like thieves or anti's to me. Thieves "steal" and anti's are typically to wimpy (my opinion) to pull off such a stunt. They might, in a big crowd they feel safe in, throw red paint on some woman wearing a fur coat, but this looks more like a couple of idiot guys pissed that someone is hunting in "their" place. I'm not sure why but it looks it looks me like a couple of local knuckleheads protecting their turf from "outsiders".

Quite a pickle! As a landowner/deer hunter, there are few things I hate more than trespassers and/or poacher and I have had similar situations over the past 21 years. The way it looks to me is this guy just screwed you over not only by trespassing and shooting that buck, but also by ending your season by making you take a deer you had already decided did not meet the standards you set for yourself. To make matters worse is every time you look at that rack you will no doubt think about it all over again.

Did you weigh the deer? If you did let me guess the weight........about 147# dressed out.

Good buck!

hb270deermanager.............jokes on you buddy.............me and my girl knew you were there the whole time. LOL!

Looks like a 3 1/2 year old. And for the record I think I'll swap my 180 acres for your 8. LOL! I can't imagine that kind of activity for two hunters on eight acres. What is the area around it like? Nice buck......congrats!

i forgot my grunt tube one day so i typed in youtube and found a "small buck grunting" and chasing that was caught on a trail cam. it was short clip but the real thing and i cracked up when a small doe heard it and came sneaking in right under my stand. i thought it was way to quiet but she sure as heck heard it!

Sunday report.......total shots heard for entire day less than a dozen, all far off. Three shots were one after another at .....hold your boots for this...........6AM. Next shots at 6:30 and the rest scattered throughout the day. At 8 AM I watched 3 does being followed by a buck with just one antler, a fork horn. They all walked..........no shots from me today and none fired on my property. Deadsville...........in Sangerfield. LOL!

Not that it could have been any less worse if he were older, but my goodness an 18 year old kid. How sad! My heart and condolences go out to the family.

Four does and one little spike. All walked. No shots fired on my property and only one shot heard all day that was close by on one of my neighbor's. I agree, this was the absolute quietest I can remember in our southern Oneida county town . Lets see what tomorrow brings.