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Nope. I was referring to the people who support the party of child molesters, pedophiles and perverted sexual activity of all sorts. Not saying that's going on at the Biden rallies, but how would we know, since the media would never report it. I'm sure there's quite a bit of drug use going on there and they never clean up the mess they make. That's the antithesis of a MAGA rally.

"After enduring four years of corporate media and congressional Democrats peddling lies, half-truths, and false narratives, Donald Trump voters will never believe a Joe Biden victory was lawfully achieved." —Margot Cleveland The reason our democratic republic has functioned as well as it has for the past 231 years is because of our trust in the electoral process. When confidence in the election process disappears, confidence in the legitimacy of government disappears with it. It is a very potent way to destabilize a republic or a democracy.

Seriously? People inside wearing masks, staying 6 ft apart, using hand sanitizer and using machines being constantly cleaned, for about 20 minutes, as opposed to thousands of screaming unwashed clustered together like sardines, handling each others property and grabbing each other for hours? Who's that dumb?

I like how the hedge their statements with "so far". This way they can say they weren't lying.

Neil Cavuto claims that the Republicans haven't provided evidence of illegal voting. Is he serious? Many here echo his thoughts. Here is the filing in Pennsylvania, and it is filled with signed affidavits. Tons of evidence. Read this: https://www.scribd.com/document/483697589/Trump-Lawsuit?fbclid=IwAR32B9ktjKFjzil_iQ0NEEfbEo-MgGGnwyRIsF6lQWaksu7J0DF0thLcZCM#download&from_embed

As far as voting in person, why are they allowing mass Biden celebrations with thousands of people in the streets when they were too afraid to vote in person?

If Biden supporters are so sure Biden really won, why are they so adamant about stopping the investigations? What are they afraid of? If they truly believe there was no fraud, they should be the one's demanding the recounts and investigations to eliminate and future doubt about Biden honestly winning the election. If it isn't done, 73 million voters will always refuse to accept Biden is the President and will resist everything he or Harris tries to do.

Be patient and let the courts listen to the requests for recounts based on the evidence supplied which indicates massive improbability regarding the election results. Once the recounts are ordered by the courts, all the evidence will be presented for all to see. Hopefully the fraud will be exposed and Trump will overcome this leftist coup. If not, America will be dead and all the Biden supporters will be responsible for it's demise.

DOUGLAS ANDREWS There are plenty of fraud allegations out there, plenty to keep even a sizable legal team busy. But this much seems clear: Any pathway to President Donald Trump's reelection must include a win in Pennsylvania. Or must it? National Review's Andrew McCarthy thinks so. He calls the Keystone State "ground zero." "In any event," McCarthy writes, "it is sensible that Pennsylvania is the center of the action. First, Trump needs the Commonwealth — if he doesn't flip it, there is nothing else to discuss. Second, as we've been covering here at NR since mid October, there is already a live Supreme Court case challenging Pennsylvania's election law, relating to whether the three-day extension for receiving ballots (i.e., through close of business last Friday, November 6) is constitutional. Finally, the Keystone State is where the Trump camp believes it can make a strong case of fraud." Rudy Giuliani, the president's lawyer, says that because Philadelphia's Republican poll watchers weren't allowed to monitor the vote counting there, more than 300,000 ballots are in dispute. In addition, as McCarthy points out, there are 300,000 more votes at issue in Pittsburgh for the same reasons. "Giuliani," he says, "further posits a motive: He notes that late on the night of the election, President Trump appeared to be ahead by over 700,000 votes. So the theory is that what Rudy called the 'decrepit Democratic machine' produced fraudulent ballots to erase the deficit and put Biden ahead." All this is good, sound, impenetrable McCarthian logic, and far be it from us to lock horns with him (or Rudy) on matters of legal strategy. But we'll bite on the math of McCarthy's first point: that if the president can't flip Pennsylvania, he can't win. Not true. Not true at all. In fact, we don't even want Pennsylvania, for reasons we'll explain in a moment. First, we should start by putting the Trump electoral count at 232, because that's where it'll be when North Carolina and Alaska — two states whose outcome no one is seriously disputing — finally go into the Trump column where they've belonged since election night. From 232, then, a flip of three states with razor-thin margins — Wisconsin (10), Arizona (11), and Georgia (16) — would put the president at 269 electoral votes ... a splendiferous tie with the media's "President-elect" Joe Biden. We say splendiferous because a 269-269 tie would go to President Trump. How? Our constitutional system says that in the event of an electoral tie, the House of Representatives picks the president and the Senate picks the veep. But Andrews, you knucklehead, the House is firmly in Democrat hands! And indeed it is. But the House doesn't get to cast its decisive votes by individual member. Instead, it must cast them by state delegation — one vote per glorious state. So California's 40-something Democrats will carry the exact same voting weight as Wyoming's one Republican rep, and New York's 20-something the same as Montana's one. And given that the GOP controlled more state delegations going into last Tuesday's election, and given that they didn't lose a single House seat, it's safe to say that the Republicans still have the numbers to return President Trump for a second term. All Rudy needs to do is make the fraud case in Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia. And all we need to do is stock up on beer, brats, burgers, and plywood paneling. Like we said, splendiferous. The bottom line? The Trump team may or may not be able to change this electoral outcome, but for the sake of future elections, EVERY instance of fraud in this election, particularly the Democrats' massive bulk-mail-ballot fraud, must be exposed now. If not, those fraudulent methods WILL become their standard for stealing elections in 2022 and beyond.

Douglas Andrews Many of us need no persuading. We already know in our bones that the Democrats stole this presidential election from Donald Trump. Others, though, still need convincing. This article is for you. One of the points we've been making is about the utter improbability of all these votes for Joe Biden. This, after all, is the guy who couldn't draw flies to a rally, but who has so far racked up a lot more population-adjusted votes than the then-record 69 million that young, dynamic Barack Obama got in his once-in-a-lifetime 2008 campaign. We also mentioned the many tens of thousands of "Biden-only" ballots we're seeing in key states — ballots that appear to have been hastily filled out with no regard whatsoever to high-profile state and local races. And, of course, we noted that President Trump has received more votes — many millions more votes — than all but one candidate in the history of the Republic: an uninspiring, gaffe-prone, 77-year-old career politician named Joe Biden and his now 77 million votes. It just doesn't pass the giggle test, does it? Steve Cortes clearly doesn't think so. The senior Trump campaign adviser and self-described Voice of the Deplorables has put together a brief, plain-as-day statistical case for the unlikelihood of Biden's media-declared victory — a case that, in his words, "provides more than enough reasonable suspicion to require hand recounts and immediate investigation into fraudulent activities, including the new damning revelations of on-the-record whistleblowers." The points he makes are about turnout, Biden's aforementioned performance versus Obama, those Biden-only ballots, and the lack of mail-in vote vetting in a certain swing state. Turnout in the crucial swing state of Wisconsin, Cortes notes, was above 90% for registered voters, and it was 84% in Wisconsin's most populous city, Milwaukee, which gave Biden 145,916 more votes than it did Trump. Cortes compares Milwaukee turnout to that of a very similar Midwestern city with a very similar racial composition, Cleveland, which had a far more believable 51% turnout rate. What are the odds? As for Biden cleaning young Barack's electoral clock, "Could a candidate as doddering and lazy as Biden really have massively outpaced the vote totals of a politician who boasted rock star appeal?" Cortes asks. "For example, consider that in key Pennsylvania counties of Chester, Cumberland, and Montgomery, Biden bested the Obama election performances by factors of 1.24-1.43 times." (No, population growth doesn't explain the gains.) But such eye-popping numbers in just the right places? C'mon, man. And how to explain all those "Biden-only" ballots, reportedly more than 450,000 of them nationwide? Is it really plausible that so many folks would be civic-minded enough to vote but would ignore closely contested Senate, House, and local races and initiatives down ballot? And that this odd behavior would be confined mostly to key battleground states? As Cortes writes, "President Trump's vote total [in Georgia] almost exactly tracked the vote totals for the Republican senate candidates, separated by merely 818 votes out of 2.43 million votes Trump earned there. But, Joe Biden saw an astounding surplus of 95,801 votes over the Democratic Senate candidates." Finally, people on both sides of the political spectrum agree that mail-in ballots are far more likely to result in fraud than in-person voting. And yet in critical Pennsylvania, the rejection of just 0.03% of mail-in ballots represents a refusal rate that is just 1/30th the level of 2016 in Pennsylvania and 1/700th the rate of the 21% of mail-in ballots rejected in New York state this past summer. Why, it's as if the election officials in Democrat-controlled Pennsylvania just knew all those mail-in votes would help their cause. The bottom line? There's a whole lot of fraudulent meat on this here election bone. But regardless of whether the Trump team can change the outcome, we need to track down and investigate every irregularity, particularly the Democrats' massive bulk-mail-ballot fraud. Otherwise, this behavior will become their standard for stealing elections in 2022 and beyond.

A good read from Dennis Prager A major difference between the Right and the Left concerns the way each seeks to improve society. Conservatives believe that the way to a better society is almost always through the moral improvement of the individual -- by each person doing battle with his or her own weaknesses and flaws. It is true that in violent and evil societies such as Fascist, Communist, or Islamist tyrannies the individual must be preoccupied with battling outside forces. Almost everywhere else, though, certainly in a free and decent country such as America, the greatest battle of the individual must be with inner forces -- that is, with his or her moral failings. The Left, on the other hand, believes that the way to a better society is almost always through doing battle with society’s moral failings. Thus, in America, the Left concentrates its efforts on combatting sexism, racism, intolerance, xenophobia, homophobia, Islamophobia, and the many other evils that the Left believes permeate American society. One important consequence of this Left-Right distinction is that those on the Left are far more preoccupied with politics than those on the Right. Since the Left is so much more interested in fixing society than in fixing the individual, politics inevitably becomes the vehicle for societal improvement. That’s why whenever the term “activist” is used, we almost always assume that the term refers to someone on the Left. Another consequence of this Left-Right difference is that, since conservatives believe society is changed one person at a time, they accept that change happens gradually. This isn’t fast enough for the Left, which is always and everywhere focused on social revolution. An excellent example of this was a statement by the then-presidential candidate Barack Obama, just days before his first election in 2008. To a rapturous audience, he declared: “We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.” Conservatives not only have no interest in fundamentally transforming the United States of America, they are strongly opposed to doing so. Conservatives understand that fundamentally transforming any society that isn’t fundamentally bad -- not to mention transforming what is one of the most decent societies in history -- can only make the society worse. Conservatives believe that America can be improved, but should not be transformed, let alone fundamentally transformed. The Founders of the United States recognized that the transformation that every generation must work on is the moral transformation of each citizen. Thus, character development was at the core of both child rearing and of young people’s education -- from elementary school through college. As John Adams, the second president, said: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” And in the words of Benjamin Franklin: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom.” Why is that? Because freedom requires self-control. The freer the society, the more self-control is necessary. If the majority of people don't control themselves, the state -- meaning an ever more powerful government -- will have to control them. From the founding of the United States until the 1960s, schools -- and parents -- concentrated on character education. But, with the ascent of left-wing ideas, character education has all but disappeared from American schools. Instead, children are taught not to focus on their flaws but on America’s. Social issues have replaced character education. An example is a new K-12 science curriculum, the “Next Generation of Science Standards,” which will teach young Americans -- starting in kindergarten -- about global warming. And when they get to college, American young people will be taught about the need to fight economic inequality, “white privilege,” and the alleged “rape culture” on their campuses. Ironically, if there really is a rape culture that permeates American college campuses, the only reason would have to be that there is so little character education in our schools, or for that matter, at home. Fathers and religion, historically the two primary conveyers of self-control, are nonexistent in the lives of millions of American children. We are now producing vast numbers of Americans who are passionate about fixing America while doing next to nothing about fixing their own character. The problem, however, is that you can't make society better unless you first make its people better.

Why doesn't everyone accept the fact the election has not been certified and no winner has been legally declared. Trump has every right to contest the election results and present the evidence to prove his case. Assuming there is nothing to challenge, no evidence and no need to verify your country's election integrity for the benefit of ALL voters, is a totalitarian mindset and dangerous to the future of our republic. If it is proven the election was valid, Biden will be POTUS. Protesting the process of proving it was valid, is where the danger lies. Nobody should ever trust the govt without question. What ever happened to the old 1960's era mantra, "Question Authority!" Seems people who are on the left only want to do it when it doesn't seem to be on their side.

Mail in votes have never been done before. ABSENTEE ballots have been done before, but they are requested, verified by registration, vetted and signature checked, plus have a witness signature as well. Massive mailings of ballots to everyone and anyone has never been done prior to 2020 and opened up all areas possible for voter fraud.

No other industry is held liable for damages when their product is used by a criminal for unlawful purposes. Consumer products are only liable for damages when the product failed to perform as expected. A firearm working properly in the hands of a felon is not the liability of the firearm This is a leftist ploy to put all firearm makers out of business. And they want us to believe they love the Constitution.

Trump got more votes than any prior presidential candidate. Trump voters came out in droves because they knew what they were up against, massive fraud.

And they ignored all of the reasons to praise him. Who's fault was that?

Only Fla mattered and the Electoral college was won by only one point. Taking it to the SCOTUS did challenge the entire process.

And I suppose Trump's psychosis was what made him think he was under attack from the day he started campaigning in 2016 until today?

From John Bastiat: Fortunately, it's not in President Trump's character to roll over and take it, or else none of these despicable acts of voter fraud would have seen the light of day. But the real problem he has exposed, albeit indirectly, is one of philosophy. As a generalization, Republicans see government as a necessary evil and involve themselves in it only to the extent required by their civic duty. They're out working, raising families, living meaningful lives, and providing others the space and opportunity to live their own lives in peace and freedom. In contrast, Democrats view government as a vehicle to implement change, to "make the world a better place," and to solve every perceived societal problem — regardless of the actual will of the people. As a result, Democrats throng to government-associated venues while Republicans generally eschew them, beyond the basics — national defense, the courts, public works, and the like. That means a lot more volunteers and workers from among the Democrat ranks are likely to be found administering activities like balloting, polling, and all things political than from their counterparts among Republican ranks. But since the Democrat Party has become totally coopted by the Left, and since the Left's most fundamental goal is power — not truth, integrity, or any other competing attribute — the ascendant motto of these government-knows-best acolytes has become, If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough!

Nor should he, until all of the challenges to this massive fraud have been addressed and the vote count is legally certified. For him to concede would be to allow fraud to win. You guys wouldn't accept the final score in a football game if one call was challenged, yet you want to hand the country over to a party that may have illegally stuffed the ballots to win the Presidency? I believe Gore had 37 days to contest the 2000 election. Nobody on the GOP side made such inane accusations about his election challenges. According to American lore, a woman asked Founding Father Benjamin Franklin, who had just adjourned from the Constitutional Convention, what sort of government the august body had just created. His answer was blunt, accurate, and cautionary: "A republic, Madam, if you can keep it." Whether accurately portrayed or not, the truth of this vignette survived Franklin's life and will continue to remain true: A democratic republic cannot exist without an informed, politically active people. Otherwise, its people are subject to "intrigue," to borrow a word from Franklin's era. The only thing that can be counted on is that the Left will do everything it can to gain power. The so-called "national popular vote" movement — the goal of which is to undermine the Electoral College through multi-state voting pacts — is one example of this aim.

An enumeration of any type of voter suppression efforts would be very debatable. Overwhelming the system with illegal ballots is the most effective way to suppress legal votes. This was not a fair election. This was the most corrupt election in the history of the US.

Did Trump win?

So she says. Yet she did everything she could from that day on to destroy his presidency and remove him from office. What class.