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of course you can throw out dozens of scenarios, But I'm sure most are just responding to the question at it's face value...which I took to basically mean, how important are bucks as far as a persons hunting goes...........maybe we need another thread titled "if you couldn't hunt bucks, and chances are you wouldn't get a DMP, would it change how you hunt?".....or "if deer meat was poisonous, would you still hunt?".....

makes sense, I was unaware they had space set aside for the sole purpose of the classes........I assumed they just cleared out a space a few weekends/evenings a year and put everything back for the next business day.

I always figured these sporting good stores, regardless of size, hosted these classes with the intention of gaining new customers and making money off them......I don't see how it costs my local archery shop a nickel to run them, they just clear out the archery lanes on days they are normally closed and run the classes.......and no doubt they sell a couple hundred bucks, if not more, on new gear as well as gaining some repeat customers out of it.

I may have missed it, but I didn't really see anyone bashing someone who said they would not have the same interest in hunting if bucks were no longer legal targets......I found it somewhat surprising as did a few others, and not really in a bad way, I really don't concern myself with why others hunt.........on the other hand, there were without question, those who basically called the one's who say they would not change why or how they hunt liars, for lack of a better word....it seems that some of the guys who enjoy hunting for big bucks as their main, if not only reason for being out, are the one's who don't believe or take issue with the one's who don't really go out there with the same goals. But that's just what I've taken away from this so far.

I missed it as well, best I can come up with is that if killing bucks really isn't an important priority for you, that must mean you hate bucks and those who target them..........much like you're considered a liar by some if you say that you would not change how or why you hunt if they removed bucks from the equation.

well taken photos are better than mounts in my opinion....I really enjoy breaking out the photo albums and looking at old pictures of past hunts.

here's another question for you........if you took a wild doe from an area with crappy food sources, like some areas of the Catskills.........impregnated it with the semen from one of your bucks, and then released it back into the wild where it was taken from, what could be expected, would those genetics be wasted because the area is not really suited for growing big bucks?

yearling is 1.5 years old....any younger is called "young of the year" by the biologists.

I didn't, the Biologist at the check station did...is that good enough for you?

see, I say I respect guys who hunt for big bucks..but as you've proven those same guys can't turn around and say they understand why guys hunt for different reasons...believe me when I say I could give TWO SHITS LESS IF I EVER KILLED A BIG BUCK...NOTHING WOULD BE MISSING FOR ME IF I COULD NEVER SHOOT A BUCK AGAIN...GET IT?...Jesus F'n Christ why is that so hard to understand?

I hunted Montauk L.I. a few years ago...shot a 2.5 year old spike that weighed 51 pounds.....what category does that deer fall into?

well put, and I hope everyone who are big buck hunters feel that way and aren't doing it for superficial reasons......I agree there is something about seeing and taking a nice buck that really gets the blood going........But, honestly it still would change nothing for me as far as how and why I deer hunt if they were no longer legal. I totally respect the guys who search for the big bucks and accept nothing less, just as everyone else deserves the respect or at least acceptance if their reason for hunting is totally different than theirs.

I wonder how the guys who spent thousands and thousands of dollars turning their property into fantastic big buck growing habitat would feel....that would suck, and I mean that in all seriousness, many live deer and deer hunting year round.

from what I've heard about a wild deer's life expectancy, 2.5 years old would pretty much mean half that deers life is already over....how much longer would someone want to wait?

did someone really mention Phillie Blunts?

Sleep deprivation is a key component of post-traumatic stress disorder, or P.T.S.D., according to Jonathan Shay, a clinical psychiatrist who has worked at the Veterans Affairs facility in Boston and is the author of “Odysseus in America: Combat Trauma and the Trials of Homecoming” (2002). He told me that sleep is “fuel for the frontal lobes of the brain,” which handle “ethical and emotional self-restraint” and “the ability to say, ‘This is now and that was then.’ ” He added, “In a sleep-deprived brain, there is only an eternal present.”

no change here whatsoever...it would still mean exactly the same to me, enjoying outdoors, spending time with family & friends and hopefully putting meat on the table.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/pubs/98903.html bottom question is answered about target shooting.

true, make sure you check the regulations before doing what I suggested.

I like to shoot and pattern my gun as I would be shooting in a hunting situation, sitting down with my back to a tree.....I stick with 30 yards using hevi shot. The range in Calverton out on L.I. may allow this to be done, last time I went it was more a less a free for all, but that was many years ago.........I just make a trip out to some secluded State land and do my patterning there.

I'm assuming it's a used gun.....if so, I wonder how much or little the previous owner walked away with? I've seen what some gun shops pay people who are desperate to sell.

a cord of wood should be 128 cubic feet, a lot of places sell a cord as two rows of wood 8' x 4'.........only problem is the logs usually aren't 2' long so you're not getting a full cord, there was a bunch of wood guys shorting people on L.I. a few years ago and some filed complaints with The Dept of Weights and Measures and believe it or not they actually followed up on it and went after the guys..........if I need to buy I always ask for a receipt saying I was sold a full cord, usually keeps them honest.

I'm sorry to hear that you're not very bright, and perhaps you associate with others of similar intelligence, giving you the impression that hunters are not very smart.....hopefully it's not hereditary and you won't be passing it on to future generations..........but please don't generalize and assume that the majority of hunters are "not the brightest group around".

I'll promote your farm and you can use my likeness to do so...

sign me up...I'll be happy to be the first to try.