steve863

That would be a gun WITH bullets and an arrow WITHOUT the bow??

I've never considered myself much of a bowhunter when I did bowhunt, but I spined a buck once and then fired 3 more arrows into him while he was on the ground at about point blank range. He still kept kicking. Not until I threw a heavy log over his neck to anchor him to prevent him from goring me with his antlers and then stabbed him in the heart and lungs with my knife did he give up his ghost. Absolutely incredible the tenacity they could have and it showed me how ineffective an arrow could really be. One shot from even a .22 at close range and it would have been over.

Hope you have something good cooking in that pot, Culver!! LOL

Ethically it would be a good idea, but I could see people putting a deer down with a gun and then going over and putting an arrow thru it once it was dead to make it look like a bow kill that needed to be finished by a gun. Then again what would it matter? They want deer shot, right? What real difference does it make what weapon does the trick??

Hell, I've considered the .243 at the bottom of the heap for even deer, let's not even begin to talk about Elk or Moose. Flame away, all you .243 aficionados! LOL

And I would dare anyone to try some rapid fire shooting with the "accu-trigger" in hunting field shooting stances in comparison to a good, crisp traditional style trigger. It's NO contest. Not that one needs to make such shots often, but if you do, having that travel of that middle trigger blade before the gun goes off will screw up your accurate shot placement for sure!!

I probably wouldn't choose any of the caliber you list for game slightly bigger than whitetail, most especially if you are talking about Elk or Moose. The .338 might be the best choice you list, but if you don't handload, there isn't much of a selection for you out there. Try finding a store that carries them, especially if you are in the middle of nowhere. I'd stick with proven cartridges like the .30-06 (which you already have, so why not use it?), or the 7MM mag, .300 Winchester or Weatherby Mags, or even the .338 Winchester Mag, which you'll have a much easier time finding ammo for than the .338RCM you listed. The calibers you list, besides the .338 are mostly on the low-end of the spectrum for game like Elk and Moose.

Which Remington gun is made in a foreign country? I thought they are still manufactured in the US. I know they imported a few guns from Russia a few years back, but I don't think they do any more. I don't know any guns being manufactured in China that are being sold by top American manufacturers? Browning, Weatherby and Howa makes some in Japan, but none of those can be considered poor quality either. Winchester may have some made in Turkey, but in general most of the guns are still manufactured here.

That's pretty much it. You can't expect a Mercedes for the price of a Kia. I think the cheap guns will kill a deer as dead as it needs to be, but you will not be getting it done with a gun that will win prizes for beauty. If you want something more fancy and smooth, you got to cough up some more money, period.

Because the Remington's I've owned, be they of older vintage, have served me extremely well. I like the feel and function of the Remington 700 most especially. And so do tons of other hunter and target shooters. I am also old enough to realize, most especially in the hunting and shooting worlds, that you'll always have plenty of people who'll find things to bitch about no matter if the product deserves it or not. I have seen more than my share of hunters and shooters whose opinions I wouldn't give an ounce of credibility to. Plenty on this site alone.

I often hear people touting their Savage rifles these days, but I'll still take a Remington 700 of ANY vintage over a Savage any day of the week. I'm not saying that Savages are not good or won't work, but I laugh when I hear people boasting about their "accutriggers" being the greatest thing since sliced bread. All these triggers are, are inexpensive substitutes to what a good trigger should be. Yeah, they will work, but if you compare an "accutrigger" to a good trigger of traditional design, there really is NO comparison. Competitive riflemen, snipers and serious hunters still prefer triggers of traditional design. Remington 700 triggers are pretty good and they are of traditional design. A trip to a competent gunsmith can make the 700's trigger second to none for very little money. No need for a second rate "accutrigger" like Savage, Ruger, Marlin and now even Remington on it's model 783 have adopted. So the moral here is that I'll stick with Remington and the Model 700 no matter how much folks complain about them.

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Great to hear from you again, Wooly! Rumors were flying that you went to the happy hunting grounds in the sky. Anyway, I don't think this place has been as happy to see anyone since Bubba came back for the seventh time!!!!

Nothing to do with positive or negative attitude. Plenty of BS and nonsense posted on this forum. A person would be more than stupid to believe it all. Thanks for clarifying and I'm glad he's OK.

+100 on that one! Like all those treestands and trailcams that get stolen on private property, along with all the trespassing and feuding by neighbors. It ain't the city boys who are coming up to do all that on the weekends!

Is this the truth, or just BS that you made up?

I had the same thought yesterday. One of the last posts he made was talking about hanging some more treestands the next day. That's the part that would worry me.

This is highly unusual, to say the least. Not what the typical landowner will be getting with their land purchase in NYS. And the more land you buy, the more you will be feeling it.

I would think you'd pay at least $10-15K in taxes per year ANYWHERE in NYS for 200-300 acres. You could go to freakin Alaska or Africa every year for that kind of money with NO headaches of land ownership. I know what I'd do! LOL

That was 200 acres of land with a cabin for $78,000??? I would consider that the steal of the century.

Great points! 200-300 acres will cost him a good chunk of change no matter where he buys it. Lets not even talk about the taxes on this much land. Mineral right or NO mineral rights, it will be a good LONG time, if ever before he will get any returns on this investment other than hunting pleasures. That's why in general I think other than for the hunting pleasures, buying this much land is a poor investment of ones money. With fewer and fewer people farming and hunting, and more and more regulations being put on hunting who will be paying top dollar for empty woodlands that you can't build on in the future? It very well may become worthless. Buy at your own risk.

Good luck, Bert! I'm counting on you to shoot straight this year. I'm not putting any money on it, however. Your journals from past years have taught me a thing or two. LOL

Hunting has become a very selfish game. I've been trying to make this point for a good while now.

Hard to believe, but some guys leave the woods and go back to cabins/houses or even drive to the nearest gas station to do their business. It's like they are afraid to drop their trousers away from a real toilet bowl. Either that or they are afraid that a chipmunk might get to see their bare ass. LOL

My favorite is the one where the hunter stands 50 yards behind his buck posing for a picture to make those antlers look bigger. LOL